I thought this was totally unfair....

[TalkisCheap]

I couldn't believe what my best friends were telling me!

They're both on the swim team, as are about 40 kids i know pretty well and about 60 boys and girls ranging from 6-8th grades over all. Apparently, at the local YMCA at their last meet, six girls were caught 'making out' in the locker room! I'm not sure of the particulars, and I'm not sure how many involved were from our school, but the coaches are threatening to suspend every kid on the team!! I thought that was extremely unfair seeing as only 6 kids, and not all from our school's team, were involved. Needless to say, my friends were very upset, and I definatly don't blame them!!

So, my question is, do you think it is fair for the middle school to suspend every kid on the team for something only a few did?

 

[minniecarousel]

In a word: NO. That type of punishment has always bugged me. It looks like the adults are just trying to get out of their after-school duties.

 

[CRB#33]

I'm a teacher and a parent of two teenagers.

One thing I have learned is that you never can believe everything you hear when it comes to that sort of thing. Things are always blown way up and it never turns out to be what you heard.

I would wait and see if it really happens first. I doubt it.

 

[Serena]

I never understood that kind of punishment anyway, but NO, I think it's totally unfair.

 

[TalkisCheap]

Apparently, they are seriously considering suspension as an option, and are bringing up the topic at the up coming teachers meeting. I really do hope the teachers decide against the suspension of all the kids. If they find only the girls that were involved, that would be different. But the whole team, especially the boys who you KNOW could not be involved...it's just too much.

 

[gymnasticsmom68]

My theory on why they do this, right or wrong...there is no 'I' in 'team' there is no 'U' in 'team'. You win together, you lose together. The team is a team, they are not individuals, it's that simple, the kids know that.

 

[Beauty]

No I think its totally unfair, especially if the rest of the team didn't know about this. I realize that there is no "I" in team but if the kids didn't know, they shouldn't be punished. Now if all the kids knew and covered for the others or just didn't tell then its a different story.

 

[gymnasticsmom68]

Now if all the kids knew and covered for the others or just didn't tell then its a different story.

That's probably closer to the truth.

 

[Disney Doll]

If the story is that only those 6 kids were involved and no one else knew, or covered for them or anything else, then I would say it is unfair. However, my guess is that there is more to the story.

I have always hated when coaches, managers etc. did a "whole team" thing based on the actions of a few. Usually it means they don't have the courage to confront the few who need confronting and figure if the opunish the whole team, no one can cry "discrimination". I had a manager at one of my jobs who would do this. If one person did something, she'd call the whole department (there wer about 12 of us I think) in and reporimand us all and warn us about not doing the particular thing in question. Hello???!!! I didn't do it and wasn't thinking of doing it!!! Talk to the person you have the problem with, don't talk to me! Or make it part of the policy/rules, and then if someone violates you have a leg to stand on.

 

[Pop Daddy]

the girls where "making out" with each other

 

[winniedapooh]

CRB#33, I agree with you. Between my 5 lovely angels, lol, and substitute teaching, I have to agree with you. There have been instances at my kids school where something is said and by the time the truth comes out it is not even close to what was actually said first. IMHO I try to listen first and speak later and that comes personally! But.....that being said, I do not believe in the old 1 person does it punish them all adage!

 

[The Mystery Machine]

I do not agree with it but sadly that is how the workplace,world & school operates now.

The lesson you learn is to make sure you "cover up" better. It really steers you away from justice.

 

[Tony-NJ]

That was my question!

 

[SandraM]

Originally posted by gymnasticsmom68
My theory on why they do this, right or wrong...there is no 'I' in 'team' there is no 'U' in 'team'. You win together, you lose together. The team is a team, they are not individuals, it's that simple, the kids know that.

Just wondering if, in your book, that means if one player out of an adult professional sports team tested positive for drugs, then it's OK to suspend the entire team? If not, could you explain to me why, when the team is a team, not individuals?

I can't stand one persons sins being visited on a bunch of other people simply because they are a team.

 

[gymnasticsmom68]

Originally posted by SandraM
Just wondering if, in your book, that means if one player out of an adult professional sports team tested positive for drugs, then it's OK to suspend the entire team? If not, could you explain to me why, when the team is a team, not individuals?

I can't stand one persons sins being visited on a bunch of other people simply because they are a team.

I didn't say I agree with it, I said it was my theory of WHY they do it. I don't agree with it.

 

[SandraM]

Gymnasticsmom, thanks for the clarification

 

[TEENEE]

Girls were making out with girls...I wonder what the punishment would be if it had been girls making out with boys. Would the school have the same reaction to something more traditional? Before anyone flames me I'm not saying it's right for kids to be making out but lets face it kids this age are starting to get curious. I've been on school trips with my sons school. Girls at this age seem to be more rambunctous than the boys.

When I was in school things like this did not get the whole team punished. The kids in question would have been seperated and talked to about their behavior.

 

[cruisnfamily]

Originally posted by Pop Daddy
the girls where "making out" with each other

I wondered this too??

 

[TalkisCheap]

Yes, it was 6 girls making out with each other. And I did hear everything about the punishment from my best friends mom who is a sub there....not some kid that doesn't know anything. And my two best friends were some of the girls that walked in when it was going on. Knowing the coaches at our school, even if it was boy and girl, this would still be an issue....they suspended two kids from all the dances for the rest of the year for making out in the corner....I still think even if it was a girl and a boy, rather than 6 girls, they would still be seeking this as a punishment...but thats only in my opinion.