I Thought Disney Parks were busier, but...

Peter Pirate

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I just received in the mail a postcard informing me that as a 'Seasonal Passholder' our summer blackout dates were bing lifted for three weeks (from7/30-8/19).

What about that?
pirate:
 
Could just be a bad summer. There have been several comments in articles on MiceAge.com commenting on the lack of attendance at Disneyland, too.

Sarangel
 
You mean Eisner is losing an excuse????????????

Let's see, the economy is getting better and the fear of 9/11 is less.
 
Actually everything I have heard has indicated that they are having a very good summer. Perhaps resort bookings are weak for those weeks.
 

Can't understand that - - the parks are soooo crowded. My daughter works at Blizzard Beach and almost for the entire summer every day has been closed due to it being full by 11 A.M. I work at WDW too and we are super busy. We went to Epcot for a few hours the other day and left after 30 minutes - crowds were just too much. We'll wait until after Labor Day for sure before heading back to the parks.
 
I have kept hearing the same Mr. Show, but the only other time we've received such a benefit was in an early year of Animal Kingdom (for that park only)...

The problem could be (as Landbaron would surely lament) is that summer is concluding at the beginning of August in many locations...Including much of Florida. Our kids are back in school the 9th (and it was originally scheduled for the 5th!), meaning that in effect the Florida crowds are taken out of the mix...
pirate:
 
All the reports i have read from the web/orlando sentinel made it seem park attendance was up alot so far this year. so this is surprising, though i do hope for it to be slow this Dec, when i visit.
 
Park attendance may be good but how are the Disney resorts doing? We got a killer of a deal on AKL for next week and some of the other resorts were well priced too. Maybe they're trying to lure more people to the resorts?
 
I don't know what the other resorts are doing, but AKL almost always had steep discounts. Guess it just isn't a very popular resort. I wonder what affect DVC sales are starting to have on resort bookings at the deluxes and mods ?
 
Originally posted by DancingBear
Does lifting the restrictions for Florida resident passholders really help resort bookings?

It could for weekends perhaps. When we lived in the Tampa area we would usually stay at least one night if we could swing the time. Going for just a day wasn't very satisfying. Since it is "summer", maybe that can get a few more overnighters during the week.
 
Perhaps it is simply that Herr Baron has finally convinced the Resort Powers that Be that their pricing was just simply too ridiculous and needed to be lowered!
 
I'll bet this must be as I mentioned, bookings are soft for mid-august as summer is ending (wow) or as PG said resort bookings are just down. Although from a resident perspective the resort 'deals' aren't stunningly good as they were in the spring. AKL is still the best deluxe bargain (also still the newest resort) as the Polynesian and Contemporary have had a huge resurgance over the past year or so.

pirate:
 
Why does there HAVE to be some horrible reason why they lifted the blackout dates? It seems they are busier. Maybe they figured they would give you some more value by allowing more access. Maybe they got greedy and figured that they could use some more revenue even though they are already busy. Could be a lot of things. Some will see the good in it (more value in your pass) and some will see the bad in it (Disney trying to overcrowd the parks for an extra buck). All depends on your frame of reference.
 
Thats true Kidds, but I'm usually the guy who WOULD see the magic in it and this was a real surprise to me. I know they can be real greedy but it seems like they also don't like to overtax the infrastructure either (making an offer like this during the summer?)...So this leads me to believe something caught them off guard.
pirate:
 
(Sun-Sentinel) Walt Disney World is slashing the number of blackout dates for its four-park seasonal-pass holders, a move that could boost business as the region's tourism industry heads into what is traditionally the slowest month of the summer.

Starting Friday, pass holders will get an extra three weeks to visit Disney's theme parks this summer. With Disney's seasonal pass -- which for Florida residents is about two-thirds of the cost of a full-time annual pass -- visitors can't go to the parks during peak times such as summer, the December holidays and spring break.


This year's summer-blackout period started June 12 and was scheduled to run until Aug. 19. But pass holders began receiving post cards in the mail this week telling them that the blackout would end Friday and offering them discounts at some Disney resorts. "Like magic, you've just scored three extra weeks!" the headline on the postcard shouts.


Disney's offer comes as Central Florida's tourism industry prepares for August. Some local tourism experts point to a decline in the number of in-state visitors -- as well as those from other key markets in the South -- as children head back to school in early August.


"August drops off when you compare it against June and July, but how much of that is in-state and how much of that is because of school starting is a tricky question," said Kelly Repass, research director with Orlando/Orange County Convention & Visitors Bureau.


Disney officials could not be reached for comment.


Students in the Northeast still have several weeks of vacation in front of them. School doesn't start until Sept. 2 in Pittsburgh and Sept. 13 in New York, for example.


But in Florida and in key Southeast drive markets, summer is practically over.


School begins next week in Seminole, Lake and Osceola counties. Orange, Volusia and Duval county students go back Aug. 9. Elsewhere in the South, Atlanta children are back in the classroom Aug. 9, and Charlotte, N.C., students start Aug. 16. So it makes sense for Disney to do something to entice in-state travelers -- who are most likely to hold seasonal passes -- to come to the parks and hopefully spend money on parking, food and trinkets, said Abe Pizam, a tourism professor at the University of Central Florida.


"Maybe it's going to be a little soft and they want to encourage tourists, especially the Floridians, to come," Pizam said.


Hotel occupancy -- one key measure of the health of the tourism industry -- often dips in August compared to other summer months. Last summer, for example, Central Florida hotels were an average 69 percent full in June, 72 percent in July and 64 percent in August, according to Smith Travel Research.


Still, Pizam and other tourism officials insist that this summer is shaping up to be the strongest since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, dampened the nation's enthusiasm for travel.


Earlier this month, several low-cost airlines slashed late-summer and early-fall fares, a move that some travel experts said could provide a boost to Orlando's attractions and hotels.


Officials at Universal Orlando said Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios have seen double-digit growth so far this summer compared with last year.


"We've had a great summer," said Tom Schroeder, a Universal spokesman.
 
The article makes sense, but it sounds like this August drop is expected every year. Why did they decide to lift the blackout this year and not last year or any other previous year ? Also, if this time of year is traditionally down, why is it included in the blackout dates ?
 
Originally posted by KNWVIKING The article makes sense, but it sounds like this August drop is expected every year. Why did they decide to lift the blackout this year and not last year or any other previous year?
I think we've seen a pattern emerging recently with Disney doing more focused, short-term, responsive marketing based on fairly short-term booking projections and such----codes, postcards and such aimed at certain groups and with limited time periods.

They're also managing expectations somewhat, like when they initially post limited hours on the website and then add hours and parades as the month gets closer.

Also, if this time of year is traditionally down, why is it included in the blackout dates?
I'd guess that they think it's better to blackout the dates and then lift them (so folks think they got something for nothing) than to have those dates included initially, and have the possibility of overcrowding.

After all, how many additional Florida passes would they have sold if they allowed these dates originally? And how many of those additional Florida passes would come at the expense of additional regular Annual Pass sales to Floridians who don't want to deal with the blackout dates?
 
Another observation:

It seems like most colleges don't start until late August. So, I assume Disney has a lot of college program kids and student summer hires that are scheduled to work until that time.

So, they are fully-staffed up for summer hours and crowds, and their costs are fairly fixed, so why not try to get a few more bodies in the parks. In addition to additional drink and souvenir sales, and some additional resort bookings, I'm sure some of the Florida passholders bring other folks along who are buying or using up multi-day passes or single-day tickets.
 
***"I'd guess that they think it's better to blackout the dates and then lift them (so folks think they got something for nothing) than to have those dates included initially, and have the possibility of overcrowding."***

You're right. Makes more sense to do it the way they are.
 












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