I expected some rude people, but some of this was ridiculous...

[Cafeen]

LOL. I love hearing this one from formula feeders. It's not very considerate to feed a baby infant formula which increases their risk of cancer, diabetes, asthma, food allergies, and even death. So if increasing my child's chance of lifelong health is inconsiderate to others, then so be it.

My first concern is my child's health. Anyone who has a problem with that can mind their own business.

Everyone else has called out the complete inanity of this post, so I have just one question that hasn't been asked.

Proof? (And by proof, I mean independent proof, not biased proof from some anti-formula campaign, much like I wouldn't consider a study sponsored by Similac or whoever)

I will say, the opposing evidence to the bolded statement seems pretty strong. So it will have to be pretty darn convincing, incontrovertible proof.

Is it me or does it get worse every year? I dont get it, you use to be able to just blame it on the youth but that isnt the case anymore most of the time now its adults behaving badly!

I completely agree OP but just to throw some positive out there.. We have met some wonderful CM and guests who went above and beyond.. Hopefully in June and Sept Ill find some more..

I mean what happened to the Happiest Place on Earth? lol

The youth grew older (I originally said grew up... but obviously they didn't )

And besides, the "Happiest Place on Earth" is on the other coast. We tend to hang out at the "Most Magical Place on Earth" . And, if Maleificent (or however you spell her name) can prove, magic DOES go both ways!

Thanks for reminding me why I haven't visited the DIS in a long time. Still just a bunch of prattling on about some perceived social injustice or slight by someone against someone else. If I could sell manners and common sense on here I could OWN Disney. Lord knows many of you need it. Pull up your big girl panties and get over yourselves.

It gets frustrating at times, but 90% of the time it's amusing. Then again, I do have a twisted sense of humor.

--As for the OP--
Yup, it sucks. But as has been said, the good outweighs the bad, you just gotta roll with it. I hate when other smokers give the ones who DO follow the rules a bad name though .

And, I do have to laugh at getting the stink eye within DSAs in the parks and resorts. Trust me, they're much better off me smoking there than me not smoking at all . There'd be threads all over the place about myself and others if that were the case

--As for the other debate--
This is tough, since according to some, my opinion doesn't matter (male, no kids, etc), and really, I have no opinion except that those who say my theoretical opinion doesn't matter gets me annoyed. Now, frankly, I really don't give a crap about it. If you want to flaunt yourself, go for it. If you want to do it discreetly, your call. If you want to hide in the dark in a corner with a burka on to do it, it's your deal.

Does it make me uncomfortable? In a sense. I'm uncomfortable that I'm intruding on your privacy for a very intimate thing. It's not about seeing your girly parts, I have no problem with those (in fact, I've been known to enjoy looking at girly parts from time to time .) It's about respecting your space and privacy while said girly parts are in use.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

I always see people use strollers as battering rams and people arriving last minute to parades and expect front row seats. Sadly nothing is surprising anymore.

 

[Starr W.]

It really is getting ridiculous. I was there in March and was in line for Dumbo with my 10 perfect children, when things just went crazy. I heard a crunching noise behind me and when I turned around I saw this 15 foot tall, 5 foot wide ECV with spikes on the front bumper just mowing everybody in the line down. This lady was on top of it wearing a tiny pair of Juicy shorts and no top. She was breastfeeding two kids, like a 10 month old and a 15 year old... not even holding them, they're just kind of latched on and look like they're flying. I ended up losing 4 kids to those steel wheels of terror. I'm not the kind to sit idly by while people are so rude, so as she flew by I yelled "People poop here!"

OMG, that is a classic. Took me a few minutes to compose myself to read it to DH.

 

[Sammie]

I love when the discussion becomes a direct reflection of the original posting.

 

[tyzzle]

Everyone else has called out the complete inanity of this post, so I have just one question that hasn't been asked.

Proof? (And by proof, I mean independent proof, not biased proof from some anti-formula campaign, much like I wouldn't consider a study sponsored by Similac or whoever)

I will say, the opposing evidence to the bolded statement seems pretty strong. So it will have to be pretty darn convincing, incontrovertible proof.

here is one for the diabetes part

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/12/1381.short

from the American Diabetes Association

Death
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1574-695X.1999.tb01339.x/full
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/42/7/996.short

Asthma

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091674905003702
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091674904020810

I don't knock formula feeding and had to supplement a bit with DD1, but the studies are out there

 

[LisaCat]

On the whole "the rules certainly don't apply to ME" front - Saw a woman ARGUING with the CM at the bag check at DLR last fall because they wouldn't let her in with her little PURSE POOCH. Yep. Teacup Terror, I mean Terrier, in her purse. They tried to direct her to the kennels. She said there was no way she was putting HER baby in some "kennel"..... And as she didn't have a Plaid, I'm going to assume she was not a Hilton or Kardashian.....

 

[erinscreen]

I think you have found the underlying problem with society today. Upbringing. The family structure is no longer what it should be. Children don't know what it is to live in a loving family environment. Values, manners, and morals aren't being taught in the family anymore and are being learned by wathcing TV, Hollywood and a failing education system.

This just didn't happen overnight. It's been a slow but evident problem not only in the USA but all over the world.

I like the poster who said the best way to combat rude behavior is to show kindness and respect for everyone. So many people see bad/evil that by showing love/kindness when least expect or undeserving, it has a profound effect on others.

This is actually a big reason why I chose not to have children. The world has enough people--I don't really feel the need to procreate personally. I would rather focus my love and affection on my dog and cat. That's not to say I do not get enjoyment from watching kids at Disney--I do! So exciting! I think a lot of parents get overwhelmed and stressed and sometimes can take it out on their kids. I am not judging, we all do it, but if a kid is doing something funny or cute or just being a kid, I smile or laugh and make a joke about--regardless of it the parents condones that behavior.

I guess I don't really know anything about parenting a human child, so I do what I can.

 

[Kayleejade]

I'm sorry, am I doing drugs or is there a substantial difference between driving a car and walking on a path?

In a motor vehicle, by law, you are required to be in control of your vehicle at all times. That means anticipating the unanticipated. If you run into a stopped car, well, you ran into it didn't you, regardless of whether or not it should have been there. It certainly didn't run into you!

Try that on I-75 in Atlanta.......in the HOV lane and tell me how it works out for ya.

 

[erinscreen]

Last year, I was at Hollywood Studios for The Voyage Of The Little Mermaid. I had just received a new camera and was taking pictures during the show. One thing I always do is turn off the LCD in a dark environment so it doesn't disturb people. Half way through the show this girl who was sitting with her boyfriend asked me to stop taking pictures because it was annoying her. I did not have it on silent mode and turned it on silent mode after she said that. I really didnt think the noise could be heard because the show was so loud. Also allot of people were taking pictures, not just me. When the show was over I took some time to put my camera back in the bag. When I got out of the show, they were waiting outside for me. It was mostly the girl and she stood there with her arms crossed, shaking her head, staring me down and I asked her if she had a problem and she said, yes with losers like you. I said, you really have some nerve, you told me that the camera was annoying you and I switched it to silent mode but that still wasn't good enough for you and now you are waiting outside to harass me. She then said, if you have some kind of a mermaid fetish you really need to get help. I told her that she really needed to watch her mouth because its going to get her in trouble one day. Her boyfriend got in my face and said, now you are in trouble. I told him to back off because if he even tried to swing at me, I'm calling the cops and letting them know that they were both waiting for me to confront me after the show and he will spend his vacation in jail. And I was starting to boil up at that point and said, plus if I have to act in self defense you will need an ambulance to get there. He did back off but the girl was still running her mouth cupping her hands and saying, hey everybody check out the big loser with the mermaid fetish over here. I ended up leaving and going to the MK because I really didnt want to run into them again and I wanted to enjoy my day.

Normally you see rude people that cut lines or think its OK to curse and have no respect for people around them and with those people, I just walk away from them and do something else. But these two went out of their way to confront me. I really think the guy didnt want any part of it but his girlfriend had an axe to grind and I told him he needs to find a better girlfriend because one day her attitude is going to get him in trouble.

Okay, first of all, let me preface by saying that I am REALLY sorry this happened to you. BUT your re-telling of this is hysterical! Mermaid fetish...omg, lol

 

[alh921]

We experienced a lot of the common behaviors, such as line cutting, my s/o getting his foot rolled over by a scooter with no apology, obnoxiously loud chanting, etc.

One event that sticks out for me was a time in the Ellen energy show. It was the first time I had ever gone to that attraction, and it was a during the low-crowd season at the end of January. A woman must have assumed that it was the perfect place for her to have a phone conversation, because she talked very loudly on her cell phone throughout the entire opening video. Since there were so few of us in the room, her voice carried throughout the room very easily and she was competing with Ellen. I was so mad and distracted by it, but I am not a confrontational person unless I am really provoked on a one-on-one level. I just wish a CM would have asked her to turn off the phone or leave. In hindsight, I should have approached a CM and asked them to do something. I think some CM's are nervous about calling out rule-breakers because of the nastiness a lot of them dish out when they are told to stop, but it's even worse for guests to confront strangers because we have no authority at all -- so I do wish all CM's would be more vigilant.

I know the Ellen ride isn't really popular, but I would have liked to have been able to pay attention to the opening video -- especially since the ride was so long that I am unlikely to sit through it a second time.

I hope I don't see people peeing outside at Disney World. Not even taking into account the fact that it's inappropriate behavior at that venue, the ammonia in urine is harmful to the landscaping -- I don't like it when the neighbor's dog pees in my yard and kills my grass, either. It's destructive behavior. Peeing on a bush in a theme park != peeing on a tree in the woods.

 

[wallawallakids]

Ok. So someone will probably hate me for this, but...this was our first visit to WDW. We have been to DL many, many, many times and have loved it. Everyone has always been, for the most part, courteous, kind, polite, even helpful. I always have enjoyed talking to others while waiting for parades, or in line. However, we have recently moved to the east coast and I was excited to try WDW. Our kids are much older now and can handle the bigger area. But I was shocked at the level of rudeness. It was actually sad. I hate to make a general statement like "people are nicer in DL", so I won't. I will chalk it up to more people visiting, so more negative interactions. But I was really disappointed. People pushed, shoved, tried to cut in line. I had my youngest one trampled by people rushing to get on Everest at opening and we weren't even heading there. It was crazy. There was defiantly an attitude of entitlement that I had never encountered before. We still had a blast and we will go back. It has also cemented our decision to return to DL as well. I am not saying every interaction was negative, but a lot were. I will say that I did try to stike a conversation up a few times with some people on the bus but I guess most don't talk back to you?! Lol. I got mostly ignored where as in DL everyone seems to talk to you?! Oh well. It is just too when people act unkind, or rude to others. Hope your next trip has lots of pixie dust OP!!!

 

[erinscreen]

It gets frustrating at times, but 90% of the time it's amusing. Then again, I do have a twisted sense of humor.

THIS! I love reading about these stories and stuff and was a big lurker before I started posting. I love learning about people and there is no better way to do that than to read what they post on a message board. All kidding aside, though, I usually read the "rude" threads on my lunchbreak at work and get giggle fits.

Please, everyone, continue the discussions so I can giggle at work!

 

[erinscreen]

Ok. So someone will probably hate me for this, but...this was our first visit to WDW. We have been to DL many, many, many times and have loved it. Everyone has always been, for the most part, courteous, kind, polite, even helpful. I always have enjoyed talking to others while waiting for parades, or in line. However, we have recently moved to the east coast and I was excited to try WDW. Our kids are much older now and can handle the bigger area. But I was shocked at the level of rudeness. It was actually sad. I hate to make a general statement like "people are nicer in DL", so I won't. I will chalk it up to more people visiting, so more negative interactions. But I was really disappointed. People pushed, shoved, tried to cut in line. I had my youngest one trampled by people rushing to get on Everest at opening and we weren't even heading there. It was crazy. There was defiantly an attitude of entitlement that I had never encountered before. We still had a blast and we will go back. It has also cemented our decision to return to DL as well. I am not saying every interaction was negative, but a lot were. I will say that I did try to stike a conversation up a few times with some people on the bus but I guess most don't talk back to you?! Lol. I got mostly ignored where as in DL everyone seems to talk to you?! Oh well. It is just too when people act unkind, or rude to others. Hope your next trip has lots of pixie dust OP!!!

I agree with your comments here. I grew up visiting Disneyland pretty frequently and my first visit to WDW was when I was 20 years old. I completely agree with you. People ask me all the time which park I prefer, and I always say--if Disneyland had EPCOT, I would never go back to WDW. I think DL is way more intimate, and I love it there. But WDW is also cheaper, which is a dealbreaker for me most of the time.

 

[wdwfanatic80]

Yep...I've breastfed on many of the rides...

As have I. And benches.....gasp....in public! The poster of the bf comment lost me to. I usually use a cover but if it's hot and the baby was uncomfortable I would use it to start and then take it off or move it from the baby to my back. As another said if it was a bottle then I suppose it's ok. sad. I also nursed my dd on a plane next to a stranger....yikes! LOL

 

[Illinistifler]

Another aspect of rude which I see quite a bit is at TSM at rope-drop. While one member of the party stands in line to get FP the rest enter the que and the FP gopher feels he/she can cut all the way up to his/her party in line. CM are no where to be seen and my wife and I have had a few run-ins with the cutters.

 

[DisLis]

It is great to read all these stories before I go so I can steel myself to shrug such incidents off with a smile. I coach myself and the kids on getting into Disney-mode where no one and nothing is allowed to impact what a great time we are going to have. As another poster stated - you need to have a sense of humor. We compete to find the best "rude people" stories. This mode holds true for when other things go wrong, too. These incidents make great stories and create memories of their own that we can appreciate more when they are in the past.

 

[Cafeen]

here is one for the diabetes part

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/12/1381.short

from the American Diabetes Association

Death
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1574-695X.1999.tb01339.x/full
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/42/7/996.short

Asthma

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091674905003702
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091674904020810

I don't knock formula feeding and had to supplement a bit with DD1, but the studies are out there

I stand corrected, thank you .

From the journals, if I'm reading them right, the effect is rather small, but it's still present, and I will acknowledge this. Maybe my reading into tone wasn't as shifted back to the middle as I had supposed with a subject that I don't really care about (note: even if I have no real concern for the topic, increased knowledge on either side is always welcomed. I know, I'm weird like that...).

 

[wallawallakids]

As have I. And benches.....gasp....in public! The poster of the bf comment lost me to. I usually use a cover but if it's hot and the baby was uncomfortable I would use it to start and then take it off or move it from the baby to my back. As another said if it was a bottle then I suppose it's ok. sad. I also nursed my dd on a plane next to a stranger....yikes! LOL

I have always BF in public. I don't think most people even notice most of the time and I never used a cover. Just couldn't bother with it and sometimes felt like it brought more attention to me. I was discreet but not over the top so. Also, my kids were a little younger than the ones she mentioned in the post. (I stopped BF every single one at or before 14 months of age.)
I don't think the poster was commenting as much about the BF than the fact that she was running kids over while breastfeeding. It sounded more like an irony than an attack on BF. I could be wrong though.

 

[FairydustyPrincesses]

*
"As for the hotly discussed breastfeeding debate, I was at a local amusement park here in Pa... To think of breastfeeding in a bathroom stall where FECAL MATTER is everywhere is just disgusting! *Do you know how easy it would be for that child to ingest ecoli?!? *I normally don't snap at people, but I couldn't help it. *I not so kindly asked her to remove herself from the stall where people POOP. *. *I would rather see anyone nurse on a ride than a toliet![/QUOTE]


Uh she probably didn't WANT to nurse in a toilet but die to people like those posting on here felt what she was doing was too shameful for public.*

Exactly! I breastfed my son for over 2 years and the only people who ever seemed offended were women. What's really fun is breastfeeding a toddler. The dirty looks really start then.
.

Guess I should prepare now *because my 18 month old nurses like a four month old and I don't see her stopping by September.
Gasp.

Peeing is also natural. *Would you like me to start peeing in public? *No, you wouldn't. *I find it ironic that the same people who are shocked that a little boy whizzed in a potted plant get angry when someone suggests they keep their bra on at a family theme park.

Ignorant.

And yes I mean both the uneducated and rude definitions.
You should be embarrassed of yourself, but sadly you probably aren't capable to see why.*

Nobody has a problem with you breastfeeding. *The problem is with women whipping them out in public as if they have some special right to be topless in front of children just because they have an infant. *



?

Yeah because the initial anti breast feeding post was about women walking abouttopless with toddlers hanging from their ta tas right?*

No the original negative breast feeding poster only said they were bf you all added in the ridiculous people. The ire was drawn bc the negative rude thing they mentioned was bf in public period. Not topless crazy women.*

I'd also like to add to the breastfeeding debate....

Other good breastfeeding spots would be dimly lit, low-traffic areas. *Or long, dark shows like Hall of Presidents or Carousel of Progress.

And have slick willy - bill Clinton ogling my breast? No thank You. You know even wax Bill has an eye on the ladies!


Seriously - you women have blown it to smithereens.*

You can't justify the original bf in public is rude post so you took it to the extreme talkig about clearly rare women who strip down to the waist and put glow necklaces around their nips to draw attention to themselves.*

The initial "rude breastfeeder" was simply described as riding on a ride breast feeding. No mention of two breasts exposed or even one for that matter. JUST BREAST FEEDING.

The fact that breast feeding in itself was deemed rude is what made women stand up for breast feeding.*

No one started bringing up extreme examples until the breastfeeding law was brought up. Then everyone has seen *breast feeding extremes - except all but possibly one- were NOT IN WDW - so completely irrelevant.

Stop being ridiculous.*

 

[cm8]

I'm not a violent person but I bet he would have understood a punch to the face. That language is universal. So sorry to hear about that jerk.

WDW_Paul

Sometimes when I'm out in a crowd I think that we spend so much time alone and insulated from the outside world that we've forgotten how to be out in public together. Maybe we need to bring civics and manners back as a formal subject in schools.

I suppose if we're on the topic of rude I might as well add this one.
If your child is going to have an epic tantrum in a restaurant, or really even in line for a ride and it isn't stopping.... please please please take them somewhere else!!!!
We had several meals that were really unpleasant with all out screaming and wailing from small children. I can understand a few minutes while you try to get them to stop but if it isn't working.. do something about it. I know I didn't allow my kids to ruin other peoples enjoyment of their dinner. It sucks to have to leave, but it's fair.

, Exactly, some people just can't tolerate the screaming

And than end up in jail? You can bet your a... of she would be crying PERVERT in just seconds. We can never win from this type of women.

I think that as a whole society has somehow lost its manners and there is no ettiquette left. Its not just at Disney, but just about everywhere. I think it more noticeable at WDW because it's supposed to be "The Happiest Place on Earth" and the rudeness ruins that ideal. There have always been rude people...for example my DS was 3yo and knocked down by a male adult to get a pony that goes up and down on the carrousel ..he is now 17. I just think there are more of them now and it has become common place unfortunately. The other day there was a story on the news about a young man who caught 2 HR balls at a MLB game...all the commentators made note of how polite he was, answering "Yes, Sir" and "No, Sir" to every question. I even noticed how polite he was and thought...what a shame, its so rare these days it was like he was a freak of nature for being polite ...shouldn't it be the opposite?

Oh well, just my two cents worth. I will never let rude people keep me from Disney ..I love it too much. I just wish more people would be considerate of others. Like they say "Kill em with kindness"

I totally agree with that. It is really sad

I think you have found the underlying problem with society today. Upbringing. The family structure is no longer what it should be. Children don't know what it is to live in a loving family environment. Values, manners, and morals aren't being taught in the family anymore and are being learned by wathcing TV, Hollywood and a failing education system.

This just didn't happen overnight. It's been a slow but evident problem not only in the USA but all over the world.

I like the poster who said the best way to combat rude behavior is to show kindness and respect for everyone. So many people see bad/evil that by showing love/kindness when least expect or undeserving, it has a profound effect on others.

Amen!!

inconsideration abounds more so now adays...Not sure why, but for some reason, people feel entitled to do as they please...

Like being totally ignorant of the fact that you are spraying people in the face when you mist behind you to get your back cooled down...
Or
Using your stroller as a weapon to move or should I say plow thru people
Less often, but the motorized scooters are not too far behind on that one
Or
some scooter users that suddenly arrive at the bus depot just as the bus pulls up and then go right ahead of you...with their whole family...
Or
seeing little ones urinate everywhere but in a bathroom ...whats with that???
Or
People that scream for their families RIGHT in your ears....h e l l o ever hear of tinnitus...OUCH, that does not help....
Or
Pushing shoving groups of teens that literally will knock you down if you are in their way
Or
The AWFUL screaming of songs, words chants by groups of kids
Or
The adults And Kids that for some reason feel the need to be VERY loud, as they come back to their rooms very late at night and wake up everyone that unfortunately has a room near them??
seriously..sometimes common sense and decency goes out the window...but its not just Disney, its sadly the decline of our society as a whole ...
Fortunately....the GOOD
far outweighs the NASTY people

Thanks for reminding me why I haven't visited the DIS in a long time. Still just a bunch of prattling on about some perceived social injustice or slight by someone against someone else. If I could sell manners and common sense on here I could OWN Disney. Lord knows many of you need it. Pull up your big girl panties and get over yourselves.

We had our rudest encounter just a couple of weeks ago at MK - after 40 years of visits. We went staking out a spot early for the castle projection show because it was the highlight of what we were planning that day. There were many people standing in front of the stage. We were on the left side (near Frontierland) of the hub. Everyone who was already there was sitting. We saw a little open spot, so my DH, DD and myself asked the people there if they were saving it for anyone and they replied no. We were directly in front of a disabled child in one of those wheelchairs that is built more like a stroller. There were about 3 regular stollers in our section too. We all chit-chatted and the time passed quickly. Just as the show was beginning, a middle aged couple squeezed in front of my DD and DS of the couple who were seated next to us. My DD is an adult, but the neighbor son was about 7. After it became evident that they were not going to sit down like everyone else, several of us squished together to make sure they had plenty of room and asked them to sit. They wouldn't even answer us. The couple next to us poked the lady in the leg and told her that they were totally blocking the castle from their son's view and would they please sit like everyone else. Again, nothing. By this time, at least half a dozen people were grumbling and saying they couldn't believe how rude these people were. People were shouting that the child in the wheelchair could no longer see and the woman just looked back at her and moved a little closer to her companion. When Wishes was about to begin, she pulled out her smart phone and video'ed the whole thing. There was no failure to communicate. They spoke to each other in English and just made comments like "well, nobody is stopping them from standing up". We couldn't stand because if we did, we would have blocked the children in stollers & the wheelchair. Not that it would have done us that much good, my DD is 5'3" and I'm 5'2". They were way taller than us. Wishes wasn't really a problem because of their height, but we were all so mad over not being able to see the projection show that it really killed the night.

I have to close by saying I have seen much more good deeds and kindness than the bad behavior and I do believe you're always going to have a few selfish people, but I've experienced way more good than bad.

Kathy

That was very rude of them to block everyone Else's view. I can not stand people who behave that way

I always see people use strollers as battering rams and people arriving last minute to parades and expect front row seats. Sadly nothing is surprising anymore.