How come hispanic isn't a race anymore

I consider myself hispanic by ethnicity and white by race. I was born in the US but I do not use the word Latino. Ive never called myself a latino, always hispanic. There are plenty of black hispanics as well. Never considered myself as hispanic by race either. My dad is from Cuba, same thing.

Here is an article explaining race and ethnicity from the 2000 census

http://www.nationalatlas.gov/articles/people/a_race.html
 
I think it's a purely political decision. If the census doesn't count Latinos, then no government sponsored, accurate count of Latinos exists. This whole race vs. ethnicity thing is kinda unthought out, really. Race is really a political thing in this country.

By one set of arguments on the board, Latino is just an ethnicity like German American is. That really doesn't make sense to me. Latinos don't come from one country or one region. The comparison to German American would be Cuban American or Mexican American or Peruvian American, not Latino.

Others point out that old forms list White Latino and Black Latino, respectfully, I think that comes from the Jim Crow days when some Latinos went to White schools and some went to Black schools based on how light or dark the Latino was and what the prevailing attitudes in the region were towards Latinos.

Whites are, by definition, people who consider themselves mostly descended from people who originally came from the general region of Europe. Black are people who consider themselves mostly descended from people who originally came from Africa - except that some people who consider themselves black do not, per say, have a majority of African in them, but are from the Black community, so it's right and proper for them to consider themselves Black if they wish. Asians, of course, have every reason to be ticked, as that category encompasses some wide-ranging, completely different folks, but it's the category folks from the USA lump them into. Go figure.

Latinos hail from somewhere in a new world country that was colonized by the Spanish, hence Latinos. (I always waver on that definition. . .Hispanic defines that better. Shouldn't Latino be enclusive of Brazil, as the Portuguese speak a Latin language? Would someone Brazillian help me out here?) That's no different from hailing from a country colonized by pale, pasty people who burst into flame when exposed to direct sunlight.

Also, if I were a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not, I might wonder if excluding Latinos from the census serves a two-fold purpose of attempting to wipe out the Aboriginal populations earlier by pretending they're dying off. Most Latinos I know have at least a drop or two of Indios in them, even my California Spanish friends with the geneaologies that date back to Spanish occupation usually have one branch or two that kind of trails off and hasn't been kept up.

Also, to the point of the conspiracy theory, even if your quantum is 100% American Indian, you can't claim it unless you're enrolled in a tribe. But for every other tick box on the list, you can claim whatever you'd like, whenever you'd like. So Lady Gaga can claim to be Pacific Islander and Black, and Seal can claim to be White and Asian and that is totally accepted. But someone Indian on the outs with their tribe just has to mark "other" and move on.

Which brings up the point that race is pretty arbitrary in the USA. A lot of people with a little Black in them don't claim it, and a lot of people with a little White in them don't claim it and no one makes a fuss. When someone does claim all of his or her ethnicities, they usually get slammed for it pretty hard, and then there's the fact of how innaccurate racial typing is in this country.

Anyway, off my soap box. I have to get ready for work.

If language is used as a basis, then Italian heritage would also make you a Latino.
 
I'm curious, if we're not supposed to notice each others ethnicity ect why is it so prominent in the census?

Isn't the Census supposed to be about selecting Representatives for the House? What difference do any of our characteristics mean to that count? Last I checked all citizens count as 1.

The question should be 1 line:

How many people lived at this location on date a/b/c?
 
I'm curious, if we're not supposed to notice each others ethnicity ect why is it so prominent in the census?

What do you mean "we're not supposed to notice each other's ethnicity"? I never heard anyone say you can't notice it. Discrimination based on race/ethnicity is another matter, however, and is of course illegal.
 

I'm curious, if we're not supposed to notice each others ethnicity ect why is it so prominent in the census?

Isn't the Census supposed to be about selecting Representatives for the House? What difference do any of our characteristics mean to that count? Last I checked all citizens count as 1.

The question should be 1 line:

How many people lived at this location on date a/b/c?

Of course we notice each other's race. I notice if I am talking to someone who is white, black, Asian, fat, tall, short, etc. It doesn't mean you discriminate against them but you notice. I would notice if I saw you pull up in a red or black car or if you lived in a brick or aluminum sided house. We notice things that are physical traits whether they be people or objects.

The point of the census is to know statistical information about the people living in the United States of America. How many males, how many females, what are all of their ages, what % of those people belong to each race.

That information is used to determine house representatives and some other things that are population based but it isn't the sole reason.

I think they should either ask everyone's ethnicity or no one's. Since I work with data and know that the more data you have the better I would go with everyone's.
 
The point of the census is to know statistical information about the people living in the United States of America. How many males, how many females, what are all of their ages, what % of those people belong to each race.

That information is used to determine house representatives and some other things that are population based but it isn't the sole reason.

I think they should either ask everyone's ethnicity or no one's. Since I work with data and know that the more data you have the better I would go with everyone's.

Oh, I understand the data mining side of it..that's not the part that stymies me. I don't understand how it is ethically justified to piggy back this blatant tool for pandering onto a Constitutional directive.
 
Oh, I understand the data mining side of it..that's not the part that stymies me. I don't understand how it is ethically justified to piggy back this blatant tool for pandering onto a Constitutional directive.

Who is pandering to who? It is a form that is sent out so we know the statistical make up and distribution of the people in the country. That second part is relevant to the number of seats a state gets in the house and how the districts are divided in proportion to the population.

It is pretty simple and there is no hidden agenda in it.
 
It was never a race, when used that way the user was incorrect.


It's an ethnicity.

Who is pandering to who? It is a form that is sent out so we know the statistical make up and distribution of the people in the country. That second part is relevant to the number of seats a state gets in the house and how the districts are divided in proportion to the population.

It is pretty simple and there is no hidden agenda in it.

ITA to all!
 
I may be wrong, but I always thought Hispanics were people of mixed Spanish, African-American (through slavery), and native tribes, like Puerto Ricans and Cuban. And I always thought of it as an ethnic group, not a race. They are of mixed race.

Some are mixed, some are white, some are black, others are Asian, yet others mostly native. Hispanic, or latino just means that someone hails from a Spanish-speaking country. It has nothing to do with race, so saying that they are mixed, or white, or black or whatever race is factually wrong.
 
Who is pandering to who? It is a form that is sent out so we know the statistical make up and distribution of the people in the country. That second part is relevant to the number of seats a state gets in the house and how the districts are divided in proportion to the population.

It is pretty simple and there is no hidden agenda in it.

They use the info for ads because people are assumed to behave in certain ways that correspond to demographics. Marketers know this, everyone knows this.

It's ok if you think its ethical, I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I do not think it is even remotely ethical & I also think my view is pretty simple.

There is no reason to continue along this line because nothing I say will convince you otherwise and vice versa. I have an opinion and I'm going to state it. I am not interested in convincing other people to agree with me, but I will support my point of view if challenged. But now I'm over it, I need to go clean my house because it's muddy here and my dog decided to decorate my floors.

I was in Washington Square Park this weekend and a street performer said, "Race doesn't matter because there is only one, it's called the Human Race." I liked that

Good luck to you
 
They use the info for ads because people are assumed to behave in certain ways that correspond to demographics. Marketers know this, everyone knows this.

It's ok if you think its ethical, I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I do not think it is even remotely ethical & I also think my view is pretty simple.

There is no reason to continue along this line because nothing I say will convince you otherwise and vice versa. I have an opinion and I'm going to state it. I am not interested in convincing other people to agree with me, but I will support my point of view if challenged. But now I'm over it, I need to go clean my house because it's muddy here and my dog decided to decorate my floors.

I was in Washington Square Park this weekend and a street performer said, "Race doesn't matter because there is only one, it's called the Human Race." I liked that

Good luck to you

I'm not arguing the point, I just don't understand what you think is unethical? That they ask the information or how it is used afterward by private companies? Now, if a private company decides to use the demographic material to change their marketing campaign that isn't the fault of the census. Is that what your objection is or do you think the government uses the information in the marketing you are talking about?

If I were marketing I would probably target the audience I was looking for. This isn't only race based but could be age based also. For example, if an area has a younger demographic I would choose a different spokesperson to sell my product then an area with an older demographic.

I'm not trying to change you mind, you are entitled to any opinion you like. I just don't understand the basis of the objection, not the merit of it.
 
After the Pleistocene
Caucosoid- Europe+ Western Asia+ North Africa
Capoid- Central to East Africa + South Africa
Congoid- Central to West Africa
Mongoloid-Oriental Asia + east India+ Native Americans
Australoid- Australia+ New Zealand

The rest is all ethnicities.
 
I was in Washington Square Park this weekend and a street performer said, "Race doesn't matter because there is only one, it's called the Human Race." I liked that

Good luck to you

Man, I miss Washington Square park!!! :yay:
 
I consider myself hispanic by ethnicity and white by race. I was born in the US but I do not use the word Latino. Ive never called myself a latino, always hispanic. There are plenty of black hispanics as well. Never considered myself as hispanic by race either. My dad is from Cuba, same thing.

Here is an article explaining race and ethnicity from the 2000 census

http://www.nationalatlas.gov/articles/people/a_race.html

I do too. I consider myself hispanic and white by race.
 
I'm not arguing the point, I just don't understand what you think is unethical? That they ask the information or how it is used afterward by private companies? Now, if a private company decides to use the demographic material to change their marketing campaign that isn't the fault of the census. Is that what your objection is or do you think the government uses the information in the marketing you are talking about?

If I were marketing I would probably target the audience I was looking for. This isn't only race based but could be age based also. For example, if an area has a younger demographic I would choose a different spokesperson to sell my product then an area with an older demographic.

I'm not trying to change you mind, you are entitled to any opinion you like. I just don't understand the basis of the objection, not the merit of it.

Let me say this delicately. The people who are doing the collecting sort of market themselves to the population, and their jobs depend on how well they do this marketing. When they know who lives where they can then draw certain conclusions about how to better market themselves in particular areas. For example, they can say, area A has this sort of demographic so we'll use ad ABC here. Now Area B has this sort of demographic so ad XYZ would probably work much better over here. IMO, even though the people privy to this data aren't working for a Fortune 500 per se, they are still in a position where their careers can profit from the data they collect. That is what makes it unethical in my mind. Fortune 500's would do anything for access to that sort of data. It is very valuable and I suspect it is used in ways I wouldn't like even if it isn't open for sale to regular businesses.

Again, I am not trying to persuade you, you did ask why I see it this way and I'm just explaining myself.
 
My wife has had problems with the race question. Being from S. America she never knew that she was anything but white/Caucasian. It used to be up until a few years ago that they didn't list Hispanic white, just Hispanic or white, so she put white. Now that you can put Hisp white that is what she puts. This census she had to list her country as it was not one of the countries on the list.

Now for our daughter it's even harder. She has an Irish first and last name, blond hair and blue eyes. Can speak Spanish and has the slight Spanish accent that some of the young people seem to have in Fla who are around Spanish speakers. On the censes my wife wrote in half and half for her.:lmao: On her college apps she put Hispanic.
 
The US has asked more than "how many people are in your household" since the very first census in 1790. The original census had three questions for each person in the home. They wanted to know the name, gender, and you guessed it - race. Today's has 10, and most of the "extra" questions are quality control questions to make sure people really do count everyone in their household.

It does make sense to get more information that numbers during the census. They are going through the time, trouble, and expense anyway, so adding in one or two more questions adds almost nothing to the bottom line but returns extremly valuable information about the make up of our country. Basicly, it's "While we're at it, why don't we get everyone's ages and ask them if they own their own home, have a mortgage, or rent?".

As for race/ethinicty...while our goal should be that we get to a point that it doesn't matter, the fact is that it does still matter in this nation, and knowing this information can be useful while we work toward this most worthy of goals.
 
Well I'm Hispanic and my DH is white Caucasian, I don't know what to pick, I guess White.
 
My kids are hispanic on my side, german/italian on my husbands sides. I just tell them to put down All American Mutt! :)
 
We are filling out the census form, and hispanic isn't an option. The same thing happened when we were filling out forms for adopting a child. We were confused then, hispanic isn't a choice. I get the fact that hispanic people can come in all kinds of colors, but I don't get what's up with the category gone in the race category.

Why isn't hispanic a race anymore?

If this topic isn't allowed to be discussed, feel free to remove.

Hispanic, as I always thought, meant being from a native spanish speaking country. So that doesn't point out a specific race. It can be white, native american, black, or any combination of the three.
 







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