Felt the chills....why?

[goofeygirl]

Last year I did the Goofy challenge. After the full later on that day I felt well enough to go to the MK and was surprised that I wasn't as sore as I thought I might be. I was able to climb in and out of rides with little issues.


However

The following day on Monday - Monday night, I was meeting friends - where all the shops and resturants are in Disney (forgot the name of the place) and I felt such a chill...It was actually really warm out and people were walking around in shorts...I was in sweats and FREEZING...SHIVERING...I ended up leaving early so I could go back to my room and go to bed! I hated the idea that I couldn't sit and enjoy a diner and a drink! Inside the restaurant the air conditioner was on so we sat outside in the warmth...which was FREEZING to me.
I was told it was because I didn't drink enough fluids during the race ... which I have been guilty of.

I dont' know if that is the reason why though...if anyone had this happen and found a way to NOT make it happen...I would love to hear about it...I would like to enjoy my time down there...

 

[cewait]

I am really thinking a case of electrolytic imbalance more than latent dehydration. You didn't get sick later on did you. Several cases of flu were noted around the marathon last year.

 

[goofeygirl]

I am really thinking a case of electrolytic imbalance more than latent dehydration. You didn't get sick later on did you. Several cases of flu were noted around the marathon last year.

Just as I arrived into my hotel room after the full I thought I was going to get sick...I did not but certainly felt terrible at that moment.
I wanted to take a shower right away and had to cut my own lovely Nike tank off because I couldn't get it off me...it was stuck...someone said it was the salt on my body...which brought the subject back to dehydration.
I had my chocolate milk, took a hot shower and felt better...a couple of hours later I felt really good but it was the next day I felt terrible...but no sickness feelings after that initial one when I returned to my room.

I was also thinking about breakfast...I ate the same food that I would have for a half...I should eat more I guess (bran muffin and a banana and a little coffee) but its hard to eat anything at that hour of the morning...

This time perhaps I will drink more of the gateraid type drink...and do water every other stop...and if its hot like last year...dunk water on my head too...

But that Monday I got the chills so bad...I mean, I was shivering and everyone was looking at me and frowning...because it was so warm out...and I was shivering in sweats!

 

[DOOM1001]

I'm a pretty heavy sweater and I drink a lot of water year round so for the marathon last year I pretty much took water and powerade at every stop.Aside from some minor cramping in both of my thighs around mile 18 I finished pretty well.I'm going to stick to taking water and powerade at every stop and I'm bringing with me like 6 Gu's,3-4 sport beans and 3-4 Clif blocks.I'll also take everything they give me on the course,bananas,more gels,etc...Even though that's my plan,would you consider this to be too much,even though I finished the marathon pretty well last year after I got back to the hotel I felt pretty bloated from everything I took on the course.I shoved in a slice of pizza even though I had zero desire to eat it as aside from the Run Disney box at the finish I hadn't really eaten anything since 3am that wasn't a liquid,a gel or a bean.I figure at least for the actual race I want to put as much in me to balance out all the liquid I know I'll ingest.I don't know if that's what happened to the OP,where their body may have needed more sodium but can the opposite be bad where you just take in too many energy aids.

 

[goofeygirl]

I took very little liquid considering how long that race is....I drink a lot of water (with Crystal lite) at night but drink very little during the day...I make up for it at night though.

Cramping...I never had this (knock on wood) but just the thought of it possibly happening...I am going take salt pills with me.

Gu's...I cannot recall how many gumps and beans I carried with me for the full...I don't think I ate enough either...but I don't remember feeling hungry right away...I did have a sundae later on though.

I am taking this with me for the full...a bunch (how many remains to be seen at this point) of Gu's...small camera...salt tablets...Tylenol....think that's it. Trying to keep my carry on luggage light.

 

[paxsarah]

I'm not an expert, but it also sounds to me more like a problem with electrolytes. Water isn't enough - especially if you're drinking a lot of water thinking you need to stave off dehydration, but without the electrolytes water alone will throw off your body's systems and can make you sick. I start drinking electrolyte beverages before a race - well, around now (up to a week out), use electrolytes during the race (for this one I'll have Endurolytes and my fuel has some electrolytes as well) and then after the race, I usually put electrolyte drink powder in the bottle of water they hand me at the end, then try to drink some more later on (as well as give into cravings for salty snacks).

 

[flatlandcycle]

...can the opposite be bad where you just take in too many energy aids.

Red lights go off when I hear "fluid at every stop." (I count 20 water stops * 6-8 oz. per stop = about 3.5-4.7 liters. ) Safe at 3.5 liters not so much at 4.7 liters. What you are describing sounds like too many calories and too much fluid. Most people can only tolerate about 60 grams of carbs per hour during exercise.

At this point, if you have been successful with all this stuff during training you may be able to tolerate extra "fuel." Here again, nothing new marathon day, or maybe, minor adjustments. Since you asked the question, you have figured it out, unconsciously.

Cramps are associated with the imbalance of sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium. I have taken antacid, Rolaids Extra, to help with the lack of calcium and magnesium in many sports supplements. I used to take a 1/2 tablet the night before, a half tablet with breakfast and 1/2 tablet for mid race. Now I get calcium from my yogurt in the morning and magnesium from ZMA at night. ZMA is a testosterone booster, and sleep aid. You need vitamin D and vitamin C to aid the absorption of calcium. Strawberries and yogurt are about right.

There is a table, midway down, in the following article. I would think you could over-consume. Fluid at every stop can lead to water-poisoning, (hyponatremia.) The key is to not gain weight during the event. The chart does recommend less fluid for those on the course longer, unfortunately without a solution for hotter days.


http://www.aimsworldrunning.org/guidelines_fluid_replacement.htm

 

[cewait]

I second the lets stay with what we have trained with for race day. Trying something new is a simple recipe for GI disaster. I would still only drink to thirst, especially if one did not try to quantify their sweat rate earlier in the year.

I still think the GG issue is electrolytic imbalance or as Flatland pointed out, a slight case of Hyponatremia. For most of us on the forum, there is no way of telling if someone is presenting a case of dehydration or hyponatremia as they have similar symptoms. Treatment is 1000000% different. One wants to take on fluids if dehydrated while those same fluids can make hyponatremia fatal.

 

[goofeygirl]

I second the lets stay with what we have trained with for race day. Trying something new is a simple recipe for GI disaster. I would still only drink to thirst, especially if one did not try to quantify their sweat rate earlier in the year.

I still think the GG issue is electrolytic imbalance or as Flatland pointed out, a slight case of Hyponatremia. For most of us on the forum, there is no way of telling if someone is presenting a case of dehydration or hyponatremia as they have similar symptoms. Treatment is 1000000% different. One wants to take on fluids if dehydrated while those same fluids can make hyponatremia fatal.

Note taken. I am just going to do what I did last year (my last full) and I did 23.2 miles on the treadmill a few weeks ago (I still cannot believe I did that) and I felt fine..no sickness or anything and I did not go crazy for the liquids.

I guess at the end of the day...if my worse problem is feeling freezing cold the next day than I will live with that!

 

[Figment1990]

Just as I arrived into my hotel room after the full I thought I was going to get sick...I did not but certainly felt terrible at that moment.
I wanted to take a shower right away and had to cut my own lovely Nike tank off because I couldn't get it off me...it was stuck...someone said it was the salt on my body...which brought the subject back to dehydration.
I had my chocolate milk, took a hot shower and felt better...a couple of hours later I felt really good but it was the next day I felt terrible...but no sickness feelings after that initial one when I returned to my room.

I was also thinking about breakfast...I ate the same food that I would have for a half...I should eat more I guess (bran muffin and a banana and a little coffee) but its hard to eat anything at that hour of the morning...

This time perhaps I will drink more of the gateraid type drink...and do water every other stop...and if its hot like last year...dunk water on my head too...

But that Monday I got the chills so bad...I mean, I was shivering and everyone was looking at me and frowning...because it was so warm out...and I was shivering in sweats!

I second not trying new things on race day and coach and flatland have sound advice. I just wanted to tell you (or remind you) that disney mixes their powerade at about half strength. I completely forgot that this fall at wine and dine and I am almost positive I ended up over hydrated. I had chills and was nauseous after the race. I couldnt figure it out because i had trained with powerade all summer in yhe humid heat and been fine, even timed my fluid breaks in training to the course water stops. But then i remembered the half strength. I could definitely taste the diff while on the course. The med tent gave me full strength powerade but in the end, it was the tortilla chips my DH brought me that ended up helping the most. That's why I suspect it was electrolyte imbalance for me. And possibly generally not having eaten enough that day. This year, I'm running with salt sticks tablets instead and it seems to be helping. Anyhow, I just wanted remind you about their powerade. Stick to what you trained with, but be prepared that their powerade may not be what you trained with.

 

[paxsarah]

This discussion reminded me of an interesting article I read a couple of years ago about the dangers of rapid rehydration. The blogger is an avid runner as well as a physician and he really know his stuff: http://therunninglaminator.blogspot.com/2008/05/running-physiologically-speaking-danger.html

 

[flatlandcycle]

I just wanted to tell you (or remind you) that disney mixes their powerade at about half strength.

I mix powerade as package instructions dictate when I have poweade duty at Disney water stops. The concentration could be anything if it doesn't get mixed well. High concentration at the beginning, powder being drained from the bottom, then low concentration later. Another factor might be that HFCS tends to taste sweeter. I think powerade in the the bottle is still made with HFCS; the powerade race day has sucrose. The powder comes in sealed plastic pouches about 10" by 14" - rectangular. I believe one pouch is designed to go into the insulated 5 gallon coolers. I haven't seen half pouch distribution. I am not saying that is doesn't happen; just I haven't seen it in practice.

 

[cewait]

I mix powerade as package instructions dictate when I have poweade duty at Disney water stops. The concentration could be anything if it doesn't get mixed well. High concentration at the beginning, powder being drained from the bottom, then low concentration later. Another factor might be that HFCS tends to taste sweeter. I think powerade in the the bottle is still made with HFCS; the powerade race day has sucrose. The powder comes in sealed plastic pouches about 10" by 14" - rectangular. I believe one pouch is designed to go into the insulated 5 gallon coolers. I haven't seen half pouch distribution. I am not saying that is doesn't happen; just I haven't seen it in practice.

Interesting as the volunteer instructions from maybe 5 years back said mix at 50% strength in an effort to avoid the bottom sludge. Maybe that has changed. I know maybe 1-2 of the 20+ stops will have a stronger mix, I assumed it was from not following the rD instructions; but may well be from the bottom of the barrel.


[ADDED] - just perused a recent 'volunteer' report about water stops and see that this one volunteer thought the mixing buckets were 10 gallon... so from the data I had a few years back to last year, things have changed some. ____Mental note to look over at the mixing containers.

Oh, and yest, HFCS is the CHO source of bottled P Ade.

 

[Figment1990]

Whether it was the HFCS taste or not, it definitely felt very very watery to me. I really don't think it was full strength. Regardless, it would be hard to duplicate the exact same to train with, so I guess the lesson is in general - if you think you're sensitive to any differences in electrolyte or fuel replenishment, try to bring your own.

I would like to know for sure though about the powerade strength. Because it does make sense that it would be a little risky for them to offer something that we think is one thing and is really another. And if it wasn't the powerade strength, I have no idea what my issue is with Disney races (hasn't happened at home runs or races) and I'm sure not looking forward to finding out during the Glass Slipper challenge next month or Tink next week.... sigh.... Hopefully the saltstick/water/chews approach I've been using during training will carry me through.