Ending the Pension Monster

Do you have a pension? I don't have a pension. I'm being hung out there with no pension. I have to be happy with a 401k. That's it. Nothing more. When I retire it's going to be bye, bye:wave2: , see ya, thanks for the years. Oh, before we forget, here's gold watch.



Did you know this going into your line of work or did the company change the game plan?
 
I am one of those gosh-darn-awful pension recipients :wave2: I worked for the state university system for the required number of years (30) and retired at the ungodly young age of 49. I paid a percentage of my biweekly salary into that plan, which was invested and we recipients are being paid out of the accrued interest on those investments. It is a part of the benefits package I was offered when I was hired, which also included medical, dental and a tuition reimbursement/waiver plan.

Are you saying I shouldn't get my benefit? That we retirees don't deserve it? Should I also return the college degree that I earned under the tuition plan? Oh, gosh, and the medical expenses paid for under employer-sponsored health coverage, too? Where does it stop?

Yes, this plan is a dinosaur (as are passbook savings accounts, dial-up internet, and full-service gas stations), but like those things, still valid and serving the function for which it was constructed.
 
If someone retires from the military at 20 years or even 30, he or she cannot go into a government job and draw their pension in addition to a salary. By the way, we also pay into social security and medicare as a military family.

When did this change? My husband works with retired military who do indeed double dip.
 

When did this change? My husband works with retired military who do indeed double dip.

Well it maybe that you have to be at a certain GS level or something. Honestly I don't know all the rules or loopholes. All I know is from the retired military we know now. They couldn't work a GS position and draw a pension but again it could be a certain level of the GS.
 
Well it maybe that you have to be at a certain GS level or something. Honestly I don't know all the rules or loopholes. All I know is from the retired military we know now. They couldn't work a GS position and draw a pension but again it could be a certain level of the GS.

I also know someone who is drawing a pension and is a government worker. He is equivalent to a GS-13. He recently took the job and I know that he wouldn't have taken it if he had to give up his pension.

Now, I do think there is something to the fact that if you use your military time toward your civil service retirement and want to take some sort of credit for that, this would stand in the way of you receiving a pension but I'm not sure how many retired military people decide to go that route.
 
Well it maybe that you have to be at a certain GS level or something. Honestly I don't know all the rules or loopholes. All I know is from the retired military we know now. They couldn't work a GS position and draw a pension but again it could be a certain level of the GS.

Tina, retired military personnel can draw a pension while in a civilian position, regardless of the grade level. The military time will not be counted toward length-of-service for the civilian pension except in certain special circumstances unless the military pension is waived.

http://www.opm.gov/retire/related/military/index.asp
Crediting Military Service for CSRS/FERS When You Are Receiving Military Retired Pay
You cannot receive credit for any military service in your CSRS/FERS retirement computation, if you are receiving military retired pay, unless you were awarded the retired pay:
• On account of a service-connected disability either incurred in combat with an enemy of the United States or caused by an instrumentality of war and incurred in the line of duty during a period of war, or
• Under the provisions of Chapter 67, Title 10, U.S.C. (pertaining to retirement from a reserve component of the Armed Forces).
However, you can elect to waive the retired pay and have the military service added to your civilian service in computing your CSRS/FERS annuity

I think people who leave the military without retiring can arrange to have their military time count towards a civilian retirement.
 
I also know someone who is drawing a pension and is a government worker. He is equivalent to a GS-13. He recently took the job and I know that he wouldn't have taken it if he had to give up his pension.

Now, I do think there is something to the fact that if you use your military time toward your civil service retirement and want to take some sort of credit for that, this would stand in the way of you receiving a pension but I'm not sure how many retired military people decide to go that route.

My husband left the service after 8 years, so he didn't retire, but we did buy back his military time to add to his years of service.

These guys that are double dipping are high on the GS scale, so maybe that is why.
 
Tina, retired military personnel can draw a pension while in a civilian position, regardless of the grade level. The military time will not be counted toward length-of-service for the civilian pension except in certain special circumstances unless the military pension is waived.

http://www.opm.gov/retire/related/military/index.asp


I think people who leave the military without retiring can arrange to have their military time count towards a civilian retirement.

Oh thank you for the explanation. I'm sorry for spouting off without knowing enough about the subject. I do apologize for for getting into something without knowing everything.
 
It is the taxpayers who are responsible to maintain the funding for these plans. Currently here in CA, we are having to replace the funds lost to market value reductions to continue the plans as contracted with the employee unions. As economists project higher levels of surviving retirees and higher premium costs, the taxpayers are obligated to fund the pension and medical benefit plans for the retirees.

As for 45 year old retirees, why? Are they no longer able to perform the duties of the jobs they were hired to perform? Many of these younger retirees go on to work in the private sector after retiring. This is double dipping in my opinion. That is why the loopholes need to be closed to end these practices. As we become an older society, there are fewer contributers funding these retirees.


i retired at age 45 from a california public agency. why? i became disabled. not only can i not perform the duties i was hired to perform, i had to be shown to not be able to EVER work in ANY job (full or part time) for the remainder of my life. this entailed not only verifications from my doctors but the government's contracted doctors AND a full bore evaluation from an occupation rehab therapist who had to look to weather i could do so much as be a greeter at walmart (pretty depressing when you are found not to be capable of ever being able to do that).

my pension is not calculated based on a normal retirement pension for a gov employee (some have quoted the 2% formula)-it's a much lower formula. a formula for which they used the "last 3 years of salary", but what people don't realize is there is a rule in most gov. pension plans that your "salary" does'nt generaly include any differentials in pay you recived or what can be non salaried pay that can make up much of your pre-retirement income (we had no raises for years, any increases were called differentials so they did'nt count for any formulas), AND since i TRIED not to retire for several years but had repeated instances where i had to use unpaid fmla (my accruals were long gone), my "average salary" for the formula ended up being around 60% of what it would have read on the classification chart).

it was'nt a given that i would get health care. you were'nt eligible for it under disability unless your disability was determined (not by the doctors-by the employer) to be "service connected". mine was-so i do get medical. i pay over 30% of my gross pension for it, and around another 20% of my gross goes to the co-pays and deductables (but hey-i'm uninsurable otherwise so i have to take what i can get).

even if i could work i am precluded from doing so by law. even a part time minimum wage job to just "test the waters" to see if i could be re-employable would void my disability retirement with no opportunity to re-apply (so bye-bye ever having med insurance).


there are some 45 year olds in public service in california that can retire without a disability. they are largely in "safety" classifications. the remainder generaly can't retire until they hit 50 (and have the minimum number of years in their system). the california public employees retirement system (cal-pers) does'nt require a person be "totaly and forever disabled" to retire on disability (before age 50) but if they qualify (can't do their job duties or those duties in a similar industry/profession) they are capped at what they can earn-they can't make between their pension and their new job more than they made for their BASE salary when they left gov. service (and you have to get approval to take that job-if the duties are close/comparable to what you were doing when you became disabled your disability pension ends).

think i'm getting 30% of my final pay (2.5% x 15 years)?:lmao: :lmao: i also pay more for my share of health care than an active employee (and the future disability retirees-even if they have "service connected" disabilities won't have the option of having insurance if my former employer's current plan is approved).

i know people who receive less than 10% of their final pay from cal pers and are uninsurable. they can't work because if they do their/their kid's insurance is gone (and their share of cost exceeds their pension). oh, yeah-they are realy living "high on the hog" on that fat government pension.


i retired from social services-you would be appalled to see the number of gov. pension recipients who walk out the door on their last day of work only to walk into social services the next day to apply and be granted foodstamps and MediCAL:sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
 
My DH is a state employee. The pay is crappy but the benefits are good. It's a trade off. If he retires after 30 years, he will get 48% of his pay, unless he makes a provision for me to maintain a portion of his pension if he should pass before I do. So he'll get maybe 35% of his pay. Not great, but it's something.
 
My DH is a state employee. The pay is crappy but the benefits are good. It's a trade off. If he retires after 30 years, he will get 48% of his pay, unless he makes a provision for me to maintain a portion of his pension if he should pass before I do. So he'll get maybe 35% of his pay. Not great, but it's something.


any talk in your state about state employee furloughs or pay-cuts impacting the pensions? it's a hot topic right now in some states. with some employees getting unpaid furlougs one day a week they are looking at their pension being computed based on 80% of their "salaries" (classification step).

my former employer is looking at cutting salaries 7.5% accross the board-people within 3 years of retirement are petrified how this is going to reduce their pensions.
 
Oh thank you for the explanation. I'm sorry for spouting off without knowing enough about the subject. I do apologize for for getting into something without knowing everything.

No problem - I've been a federal civilian for more than 30 years, and I'm still trying to figure out all this stuff! :)
 
No problem - I've been a federal civilian for more than 30 years, and I'm still trying to figure out all this stuff! :)


that's cuz the employee benefit handbooks read like stereo installation instructions;)

i tried to help a friend apply for a disability pension and i finaly told her that i was convinced that the handbook and forms were put together terribly on purpose-if a person somehow managed to begin to be able to do the paperwork it was proof positive that they did'nt have any kind of mental disability:rotfl:
 


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