Either demand or excitement appears to be cooling at Disneyland

Matthew D.

Earning My Ears
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Take a look at hotel vacancy along Harbor. September and October are wide open. This would have been unheard of one and two years ago. All the discount ticket deals offered to locals or the need for a new “party”. Even the hype around new E-ticket such as Tiana’s Bayou Adventure has certainly cooled. Everyone appears to have gotten their post Covid fix. Passholders and those taking advantage of ticket deals are keeping the park healthy enough for now. But the tide appears have turned. Perhaps the holiday attendance numbers will prove me wrong.
 
Take a look at hotel vacancy along Harbor. September and October are wide open. This would have been unheard of one and two years ago. All the discount ticket deals offered to locals or the need for a new “party”. Even the hype around new E-ticket such as Tiana’s Bayou Adventure has certainly cooled. Everyone appears to have gotten their post Covid fix. Passholders and those taking advantage of ticket deals are keeping the park healthy enough for now. But the tide appears have turned. Perhaps the holiday attendance numbers will prove me wrong.
To be honest, I love Disneyland and going about once every 12-18 months for a few days is perfect for me. I'm fortunate to be able to go and still do other things all over North America and the world. I wouldn't want to do DL at the expense of other experiences.

For how much trips to DL cost right now, I can understand why the value proposition isn't there for some people. It's incredibly expensive. There's so much to see and do elsewhere. Mountains, beaches, national parks, cities, foreign countries.

I am the biggest DL fan out there but it is undoubtedly getting too expensive for many. That's why those $104 single ticket days are so packed on weekdays. People would rather pull their kids out of school for 1 day than pay more on a weekend.
 

I did the math for a random trip in October or November and I can literally take my family of four to a lot of places in Europe for 5 days for less than it would cost me to stay at the DLH and go to the parks for five days if I include tickets, G+ (or whatever they're calling it now) for everyone, and ILL$, plus domestic airfare and food.
 
We’ve been going 3-4 times a year since the reopening after Covid, but will make only 1 trip this year and don’t plan to renew our Keys. In fact, after our July trip, we cancelled our booked September trip. July was a fun trip, but we agreed we’ve had enough for now and want to focus on other things. I imagine we’re not the only ones.
 
Knotts is selling passes through 2025 for 99 bucks. Yes a bit more if you want parking and such. Not saying that DLR is not a much better park than Knotts, but is it 8 to 10x better experience given the cost for an AP.

Speaking of APs, I have a trip to DLR in two weeks but I don't have a Magic Key right now. That's fine, we want to do a more relaxed resort trip anyways for a b-day party/pool days but we'll spend a few days down the road at Knotts having fun. Even as a DVC owner I cant buy a pass at DLR unless they are done playing whatever game they are playing. At WDW it was a great experience and I bought a pass there and I canceled my remaining DLR trips until summer of 2025. We'll be at WDW and Universal FL for an extended spring break.

TLDR - DLR makes it a bit more difficult then they need to for us fans.....
 
Burned out by the lack of quality entertainment options, lack of quality all around in the parks, and price gouging mentality and continual upsells to even experience attractions and shows...went from a non local AP holder for decade + solid making several trips a year to have not been in 18 months and no plans in the immediate future.
 
Our last trip cost us 20 grand (coming from NZ for 2 weeks) at least double what all of our many other trips had cost. Hotel cost has more than doubled, food cost is way higher, and you used to be able to get an annual pass for $499 - cost us nearly double for 8 days. There was very little entertainment, no big theatre shows etc. For the first time EVER I left without looking back or feeling sad. 18 months later I still have no yearning to go back, it used to be that I'd start planning our next trip straight away. Our next trip to the states next year I won't even be bothered to stop over for a day or two. It's sad, but the experience has truly dropped and anyone who is a devotee knows it. When will Disney remedy the situation?
 
I think this is across most theme parks right now

HHN at Universal lowered the price of its season pass....first time ever doing that plus is cheaper then last year by over 30 bucks. I have Sea World sending me emails with amazing deals on APs (would love to get one but dont have the time or money right now for another park)

So I think the rising cost of the parks are going to make the end of the year busy but not....insane. Its also hard to judge crowds right now with sooooo many rides down even when it gets busy its it busy because of people or how many things are shut down or broke like how GOTG has an elevator down making it where less people in an hour can get on the ride.
 
Oh, I hope everyone takes the opportunity (and their money) to go and visit a foreign country…so enriching for the kids, better than fake EPCOT worlds. Europe and Japan would both be lovely,as well as Australia. They’ll really have something to share with the other kids at school then besides…”oh, we went to Disneyland AGAIN…”

Give Disneyland a pass until it really has a something new to see…maybe ten years or so.
 
Knotts is selling passes through 2025 for 99 bucks. Yes a bit more if you want parking and such. Not saying that DLR is not a much better park than Knotts, but is it 8 to 10x better experience given the cost for an AP.

Speaking of APs, I have a trip to DLR in two weeks but I don't have a Magic Key right now. That's fine, we want to do a more relaxed resort trip anyways for a b-day party/pool days but we'll spend a few days down the road at Knotts having fun. Even as a DVC owner I cant buy a pass at DLR unless they are done playing whatever game they are playing. At WDW it was a great experience and I bought a pass there and I canceled my remaining DLR trips until summer of 2025. We'll be at WDW and Universal FL for an extended spring break.

TLDR - DLR makes it a bit more difficult then they need to for us fans.....
I wouldn't go to Knott's again if it was free. The place is a dump.
 
I've been an avid non-local passholder for years. This year, with my pass expiring in October, I'm debating about it. I have to pay for air and hotel, but it's just me so that makes it less of a hit to the wallet than if I were bringing my family. Still, I'm getting older and I can still go to DLR a few times a year without shelling out for an AP (I have the top level and that's probably the only one I'd want). But that also means I wouldn't be going for Christmas season, both Dapper Days, special events, DL's birthday, Adventureland Day, my birthday, or whatever other reasons might bring me multiple times throughout the year. In the long run, I think Disney would lose out.

I keep hoping that things are in flux and Disney is still recovering from post-Covid changes. I know that it is extraordinarily costly to implement the new changes they have in the pipeline, but they're going to have to reach a delicate balance if they want to keep their image and their loyal fans. That's the big IF. They also have to cope with recent increases in wages.

It seems to me that one of Disney's primary strategies for generating more income has been to appeal to the wealthy and wanna-be wealthies (this has spilled over somewhat to the nearby non-Disney establishments). VIP tours, exclusive events, higher-tier status for a cost, more upscale dining, and things of that sort may keep the money flowing but at great cost to the community at large. I think more and more people are seeing their happy place go out of reach.

I hope Disney can find a way to balance their budget and maintain park integrity without sacrificing so many loyal fans in the process.
 
We are not local but were in San Diego last week to see the Foo Fighters. We added another day to our trip to go up to Anaheim to see a friend's band perform. We wanted to go to Disneyland but couldn't justify the cost of 2 adult 1-day tickets (no hopper), especially with so many closures. We went to DTD to do some shopping, it was so hard not to go into one of the parks! (We are also former pass holders!)

My family of 3 just went to Disneyland in April with 3-day park-hoppers and it was fantastic. We also have plans to go back next year, but Disneyland is not a good deal to just go for one day.
 
I am a so cal local and worked at the DLP while in college, but the world is big and cool and there is so much to see. I can't justify a week at WDW at the expense level now when I've already been, when I can relax in Thailand for two weeks for less! I'm not judging, but the value proposition just isn;t there for me right now in the parks.
 
I am from Canada and it is both time consuming and costly to go to Canada. We are a middle class family that went to DL about once every 1.5 years. The longest we didn't go was due to covid and we went in the summer of 2022. The trip was good but not as magical as before with posted wait times through the roof without genie+. It was the first trip we went on where we weren't planning the next one before we left. It also cost us WAY more than any previous trip. We finally feel ready to go back (realizing you need ligtning lane multi pass now) so need to add that to the budget and there is no way I can convince my wife it is worth it. With the prices of the "cheap" hotels on harbout and then the cost of passes (5 day hoppers with lightning lane). Our trip will cost twice as much as going to San Diego and doing Sea World for a few days as well as Legoland and the zoo, etc. TWICE as much!!! Hotels are just a little more (although a little more a night adds up for 8-10 nights. It's the passes and all the add ons that were once free (fast pass days) or one small cost (the old park hopper add on). When I looke at the cost of just the passes for 7 people I can't really argue. Sure we love DL, it is truly our happy place but it is just too expensive for middle class coming from afar to do more than a once in a lifetime trip. I have said for the last 2 years (since our last trip) that DL will eventually slow down as the price is just crazy but it didn't for quite awhile. I think the wall is finally getting hit. It's not just the expense but the feeling that everything you do is price gouging and the need to be on a phone all day is just too much. If you can't be a grandma with her grandkids and just show up and have a blast at an amusement park something is wrong! It should not be this complicated, this many add ons that are truly needed, and this expensive!!!
 
I wouldn't go to Knott's again if it was free. The place is a dump.
We went a couple of years ago because one of my kids is a coaster enthusiast, and their coasters are above and beyond anything else in So Cal with the possible exception of Magic Mountain. Anyway, I (NOT a coaster enthusiast) was pleasantly surprised to find how much I enjoyed it - I thought the ghost town and some of the other local history was actually really neat, and far more immersive than I'd expected. To each their own, I guess, but I didn't get "dump" from it (but maybe that's because I kind of expected to??? IDK).
 
I wouldn't go to Knott's again if it was free. The place is a dump.
Sorry you didn't like it. We have had some magical moments there. DLR is our love, but we love Knott's too...
We went a couple of years ago because one of my kids is a coaster enthusiast, and their coasters are above and beyond anything else in So Cal with the possible exception of Magic Mountain. Anyway, I (NOT a coaster enthusiast) was pleasantly surprised to find how much I enjoyed it - I thought the ghost town and some of the other local history was actually really neat, and far more immersive than I'd expected. To each their own, I guess, but I didn't get "dump" from it (but maybe that's because I kind of expected to??? IDK).
Because of how cheap it is, whenever I get a close to Disney level magical experience at Knotts it's a huge win. Camp Snoopy all done up with the lights and spring decorations was awesome. My daughter finally breaking 48 inches tall and being able to go on the "big girl" swings at Knotts in Fiesta Village was a great memory. She loves those swings so much. They are quite a bit more "fun" than the ones at DCA.

She now loves the high thrill coasters at WDW and US so I'm looking forward to going on a few new rides with her in a few weeks.
 


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