Easy "Signs" question for the movie buff's.

KNWVIKING

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We just saw Signs last night, (yeah,Iknow,we're quite the trend setters), and my question is this. It was an excellant movie based on its content not mega special affects. How did this movie cost 70 mil to produce. Aside from Mel & his salary, where is the rest of the expense. It was actually a very simple movie visual wise. How did MBFGW get made for only 5 mil ? Or Shanghai Knight for 50 ? Just curious.
 
... I thought of that,but old farm houses and corn fields in Pa. are about as common as Waffle House's in South Carolina. They probably could have bought a whole farm for under 500k.
 
Wow, a real movie question.

First off, quantum physics is more understandable than studio accounting. Hollywood has a long history of cost inflating business practices, hidden money schemes, and other business practices that were pretty much eliminated from other industries back in the ninetieth century. The short answer is that the Hollywood studio system is rigged to stuff tons of money into lots of pockets and not into the movie itself.

For ‘Signs’, the production company leased a chunk of land from a college in Pennsylvania. They did this so they could control the corn fields which were vital for the movie. Since movies shoot on a schedule, they had to make sure the corn was at a certain height at a certain time. They also built the exterior of the farm house. The house gets pretty well trashed during the course of the film and there was a lot of night shooting. Having your own house to do with as you pleased meant you could shoot when you wanted without disturbing the neighbors, or worrying about punching holes in some historic structure.

And the house set itself is amazingly cheap. All you have to do is to make it look good on camera. There’s no interior. The thing is made from plywood. In fact, I think only three sides were even completed. Sets are generally pretty cheap, much cheaper than buying a real farm house.

The cost comes from the people. Mel and M. Night don’t come cheap, but they’re a small part of it. There are the producers, the studio executives, the drivers, the costumers, the laborers – all those hundreds of people whose names roll by during that intolerable twenty minute closing credits for any movie these days. Each one of those has their own union with their own sets of rules and wages. As an example, to get a lamp on a set and switched on takes members from six different guilds. And since this was location shoot, all these people had to be provided with hotels and per diem as well.

Then you’ve got the equipment, all the lights and cables and trailers and craft services table. Not expensive in their own right, but with all the studio mark-ups and other requirements the cost skyrockets. None of these costs make the movie any better; it just makes a lot of people wealthier.

The reason something like ‘My Big Fat Greek Wedding’ can be made for “only” $5 million is that it avoids all the studio money traps. People do full jobs, not the guild mandated fifteen minutes of work (at triple overtime). You rent a car from the local Avis dealership, not buy it outright from the studio transport pool. And the actors share a make-up table, not lounge in a doublewide trailer.

I should also comment that ‘Signs’ had some issues during its production that added a significant amount to the cost of the film. Disney management forced some changes onto the film which required sets to be reconstructed and scenes reshot, the special effects were scrapped and redone, and the film was being re-edited to the very last minute. All of these added tremendous cost to the film (and left a lot of bad feelings all the way around in addition to weakening the film itself). That’s the other price of working with a studio – people in suits think they know how to make things “better”.

Right now the conventional wisdom is that the average studio movie costs $85 million to make. By this time next year that number will certainly top $100 million. Already $150 million dollars movies are common place. Based on these figures, ‘Signs’ is a low budget studio film.


P.S. – The DVD contains an excellent scene which was deleted because of studio “issues”. It takes place upstairs underneath the attic just as the aliens are invading the house. There has never been a scarier closing door.
 
Hard to imagine 70 mil being "low budget" but it's easy to see where costs are going. I saw the "bonus" portion of the DVD with the deleted scenes. I agreed with omitting all but the "Attic" scene. Even before I saw the bonus materialI thought it odd that they went from the attic door scene straight to the basement, seemed like a step was missing.
 

There are several more deleted scenes that didn’t make the DVD and the ending was different than what made it to the theaters. People are hoping that one day the “Director’s Cut” will be released with the original concepts, effects and sequences put back (and some removed), but with the way things are at Disney right now that won’t be for a long time.

Still, the move turned out well. Just not as good as it could have been.
 
You'd think that with Disney recent history of shortcuts, the Director's Cut would be ready for a June release. The footage is all shot,all they have to do is re-edit it and zap it to DVD. Gotta be worth an additional 20 mil in profits.
 
Hmmm....

The "rumors" say that given a lot of really bad feelings left over from this project, it seems very unlikely.

Say, just for example sake and not really anything to do with this movie you know, that if a certain corporate exective decided that if he didn't get what was going on then all the idiots in the world (i.e., everyone except the corporate executive) certainly wouldn't know what was going on and so he demanded all kinds of changes and reshoots to make things "easier to follow", changes that really tweaked a certain young filmmaker who tends to have a higher regard for the audience than blue-blooded corporate executives. Discussions back and forth, a few (or more) broken promises, and so on - they all lead to some rather ill fealings between people involved. You know, the usual "you ruined my vision" vs. "I'm a highly paid executive with a background in programming children's programming on a network" kind of thing. It usually leads to certain people not really interested in either spending the time on a new edit or approving the funds for another DVD release.

But those are just rumors...
 











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