DVCers who have rented points...

[lisaviolet]

Hi,

I know that renters of our points, unfortunately for them, ultimately have no control. Ie. even if a contract is made, or money has changed hands that the contract is just a piece of paper. As is the confirmation letter in a sense. In that an owner, technically, in any of these situations a owner can cancel a reservation. And a contract, really when in comes down to it, is for trust and legally means nothing. I mean that is the bottom line. Correct? So here is the info I need:

Q: Does the use of paypal change any of this? I'm ignorant about PP and want to make sure that the above information is correct when you throw PP into the mix. I'm 100% confident that it doesn't change any of the above because we are not a "business". But just want to make sure that I'm not missing anything.

Thanks,

Lisa

 

[3DisneyKids]

While I have never used the dispute resolutions on PayPal for a DVC rental issue, I have used it for another one. I paid for an item (not through eBay) and never received it and never heard a word from the seller.

After weeks and many attempts to contact the other party, I finally went through dispute resolution at PayPal. It was fast and relatively easy (showed them the relevant e-mails and receipts, etc.) and my money was refunded within a week. Not sure if they would get involved with a non-tangible item....anyone else know?

 

[eyeheartgoofy]

I'm confused. Are you planning to cancel a reservation for someone who has rented from you, or are you worried that someone is trying to cancel a reservation that they made for you?

 

[lisaviolet]

Thanks so much for that information 3DisneyKids.

 

[lisaviolet]

I'm confused. Are you planning to cancel a reservation for someone who has rented from you, or are you worried that someone is trying to cancel a reservation that they made for you?

Neither. I'm a very honest person that strongly feels that the renters should know the bottom line. To me that is more important than my sale. And I'll probably take longer because of my conscience. And if we take paypal out of my question the bottom line is they have no control.

Without going into too many details I'm dealing with a renter, who despite my 100% and continuous honesty of the facts of these transactions ie in the end based on just trust, is looking for some recourse, something to fall back on if something goes wrong.

And I would never make up anything to ease that worry. It's not right. So I'm merely inquiring if I have everything 100% with that lack of control. Which I know I do. But mainly asking if using PP changes anything with these fears?

I understand, for a renter, you want to hear that there is something that legally binds. But I don't think that's possible.

 

[eyeheartgoofy]

Okay - no longer confused. Good luck with your renter - sounds like renting points might not be the way for him (her) to go if they are so concerned with a guarantee.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...Without going into too many details I'm dealing with a renter, who despite my 100% and continuous honesty of the facts of these transactions ie in the end based on just trust, is looking for some recourse, something to fall back on if something goes wrong. ...

There are a lot of non-members out there who want to rent a reservation AND a lot of members who are looking for transfers..... Why bother with someone who is requiring waaaay too much work?

Also, I have heard that the purchaser who uses PayPay can sometimes get their money back even after they took the reservation if there was something that they felt wasn't perfect with their reservation. Just something I heard.

There are fees involved with PP, too.

 

[rinkwide]

...Why bother with someone who is requiring waaaay too much work?...

Exactly, only I would have put a bunch more 'A's in "waaaay".

Oh, and PayPal won't do a damn thing if it's a non-tangible good.

 

[Sammie]

Exactly, only I would have put a bunch more 'A's in "waaaay".

Oh, and PayPal won't do a damn thing if it's a non-tangible good.

I agree, they are getting a huge bargain, if they are not willing to trust you, then find someone that is. This should be easy for you.

All I have to say about Paypal is they let someone open a fradulent account using my name, address, etc. and even after I contacted them that it was fradulent, they were like, sooo. They are worthless.

 

[lisaviolet]

Exactly, only I would have put a bunch more 'A's in "waaaay".

Oh, and PayPal won't do a damn thing if it's a non-tangible good.

Hallelujah. Oh you have no idea how many A's can fit in "waaay". No idea. Thanks so much for the information from all of you. Deb and Bill I smiled.

 

[lisaviolet]

The one just before this one is a "better" story...I did a check for him and after we went back and forth he said, "thanks Lisa I'm going to go with someone I've used before". I graciously replied, "have a good vacation and thanks for telling me". And then accidentally found a "pre- me" post from this week by him that said, "New at this"...."don't really know how this works". I'm smiling don't worry and he got a nice reply to his "let's keep in touch though"

I'm not a total wuss though. Sticking to the $11 firm. And I've said repeatedly that the cost difference is the trade off. And researching I've just realized how much. Mine was $1650. Disney's was somewhere around $3400 rack of course. That puts guarantees and daily maid service at over $1750 dollars for five nights.

Thanks everyone. My head hurts. I'm going to bed.....

 

[greenban]

Dear Lisa:

Your just too good, he didn't deserve you!

As I have said for years, and the Musical Wicked recently set to song.....

NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!!!

However, if you rent to him next year, SHAME ON YOU!!!

-Tony

 

[lisaviolet]

Dear Lisa:

Your just too good, he didn't deserve you!

As I have said for years, and the Musical Wicked recently set to song.....

NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!!!

However, if you rent to him next year, SHAME ON YOU!!!

-Tony

Thanks Tony. I'm laughing. He was a previous renter two days ago. The renter that I was trying to alleviate her concerns, by asking for paypal information and checking if my thoughts about renting were bang on, was not the same at all. And to make it even more "humorous": I only stumbled on his "interesting" pre-post by looking for information for her. Yes, God works in mysterious ways. Life is so interesting. So interesting.

And you are right. Shame on me if I ever did. But Tony as Wicked says too, "I'm just not that girl".

 

[greenban]

Thanks Tony. I'm laughing. He was a previous renter two days ago. The renter that I was trying to alleviate her concerns, by asking for paypal information and checking if my thoughts about renting were bang on, was not the same at all. And to make it even more "humorous": I only stumbled on his "interesting" pre-post by looking for information for her. Yes, God works in mysterious ways. Life is so interesting. So interesting.

And you are right. Shame on me if I ever did. But Tony as Wicked says too, "I'm just not that girl".

Touche.....(although -at least here on the DIS, you are Pop-U-Lar!)

Let me close with....

Dancing through life
Skimming the surface
Gliding where turf is smooth
Life's more painless
For the brainless
Why think too hard?
When it's so soothing
Dancing through life
No need to tough it
When you can sluff it off as I do
Nothing matters
But knowing nothing matters
It's just life
So keep dancing through

-Tony

 

[Kickapoo Joie Juice]

Neither. I'm a very honest person that strongly feels that the renters should know the bottom line. To me that is more important than my sale. And I'll probably take longer because of my conscience. And if we take paypal out of my question the bottom line is they have no control.

Without going into too many details I'm dealing with a renter, who despite my 100% and continuous honesty of the facts of these transactions ie in the end based on just trust, is looking for some recourse, something to fall back on if something goes wrong.

And I would never make up anything to ease that worry. It's not right. So I'm merely inquiring if I have everything 100% with that lack of control. Which I know I do. But mainly asking if using PP changes anything with these fears?I understand, for a renter, you want to hear that there is something that legally binds. But I don't think that's possible.

I dunno, lisaviolet, if I rent out my points to somebody I don't know, I tend to screen out this type of renter.

The renters who know 'how it's done' and know DVC members have a (well earned) reputation for trust don't sweat about trust issues, and that's usually who I go with when I have extra points.

It's just not worth the hassle with the people who don't trust you.

Some wise person once said that those who aren't trustworthy never believe that others are.

 

[rinkwide]

Show tunes, Tony? <sigh>

 

[salmoneous]

PayPal does not protect a renter from a dishonest owner. The owner can simply such down the paypal account.

However, PayPal does open the honest owner to risk from the dishonest renter. The rent can tie up the money with a claim of misrepresentation.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

There's no business like show business...sorry, don't know what came over me! Now, back to the business at hand ~

 

[Muushka]

Some wise person once said that those who aren't trustworthy never believe that others are.

What a great and very true statement Kickapoo!

I agree with those that said that renters that show that much distrust are not worth renting to. It takes all the self-restraint for me to muster not to reply to the questions on these boards when the thread headline is "how is a rentee guaranteed not to get screwed?"

I have only rented a couple of times and both times it was very pleasant.
I trusted them, they trusted me. End of story.

 

[lisaviolet]

Thanks to everyone. Thanks for the show tunes. And Tony, your last response was so quick of you, but I will be forever "just not that girl". And loving that.....

Everyone's information was vital. Critical. I so appreciate the detail. I was confident that I had everything correct as far as there not being any "guarantees" and paypal in general. Yet I wanted to make sure that I was not giving one piece of erroneous information.

Your personal insights were necessary for me to hear. I learned so much. This thread was supposed to be about paypal's role. But the thread became about trusting myself as well. And how my wise mother-in-law used to say, "too much of one thing is no good". Wanting good for people is a wonderful trait of course; but certainly not at my detriment.

I probably won't ever become a regular renter. I'm hoping because I love my points. Every one of them. But I will save this thread as a reminder that it is simply "trust" and I do not have the ability to change that for someone else.

My transaction is near completion at this point. Thank you all so much.

Lisa