C Camping Griswalds DIS Veteran Joined Aug 6, 2000 Messages 2,890 Jan 25, 2008 #1 I can't remember. It would be nice to not pack that stuff!
J jensen DIS Veteran Joined Dec 30, 2005 Messages 1,387 Jan 25, 2008 #2 Yes, they have both. We've used them often.