Disney SeaWorld? Maybe!

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Disney may have an interest in Seaworld!

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Disney may have interest in Sea World
Aug 10, 2008

According to reports, Disney is among those showing interest in purchasing Sea World following InBev's takeover of Anheuser-Busch.

InBev has announced their plans to sell off Busch's theme parks division following their takeover which could take place as early as November.

The report mentioned Disney among those bidding for Sea World as well as Blackstone owned Merlin Entertainments which operates the London Eye, Alton Towers and Madame Tussauds. Bids are also expected from Spain's Parques Reunidos, owned by private equity firm Candover, and Gulf state conglomerate Dubai World.

According to InBev's bankers "We've been approached by several companies but this deal will be based on who can bring the money to the table to fund the debt needed."
 
Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure what InBev is asking for - could be $750m or $1.7b - who knows? But if Disney did snatch it up, they would have to spend an additional $500m minimum just to Disnify it. SeaWorld is a beautiful park, but it's not in the same theming league as Disney. I say they low-ball the figure, and if it doesn't work out put that money to better use installing new attractions at AK (making it a full-day park) as well as additions at the existing parks. Taking on a 5th gate in this economy is suicide, and at the same time cannibalism, particularly when you consider most families visiting Disney from around the country and the globe only spend an average of 5-7 days in Orlando. There simply isn't enough time to do that much. 10-15 years from now it may be worth it. Now... I think it would backfire. My opinion.
 
While the economy isn't the best for a purchase like this right now as far as cash flow goes it still may be a good time. The price required to entice InBev to close the deal may be significantly less today than it would be in the future and Disney does have the financial ability to pull it off a lot easier than some of the other potential bidders.

As far as Disneyfying SeaWorld, with minimal investment (<$25m or so) it could easily become as much Disney as CA.
 
As far as Disneyfying SeaWorld, with minimal investment (<$25m or so) it could easily become as much Disney as CA.

That made me laugh out loud. You're probably right, and that's probably too much.

The real issue is, Disney may buy the Orlando property but wouldn't touch San Antonio or San Diego as they are nowhere near existing parks (not even Anaheim). If they grab Orlando, they would have to change the name because whoever took the others most likely would not.

My top three choices are:
1.) Disney's Aquatica
2.) Disney's Oceania
3.) Disney's Floridian Debacle.
 

Disney is not going to purchase or build any new theme parks in the future. They need to concentrate on their own parks and focus on combating Universal and their Potterland.
 
I just couldn't see Disney buying the Sea World Orlando property, mainly because of a few things that stand out in my mind.

1. As one poster has previously said, it would be financial suicide to open a 5th gate at this moment..

2. Sea World is about 20 to 30 minute drive away from MK, depends on traffic of course and could be longer. It's far enough removed from WDW property that you wouldn't feel the same as you do when going to one of the other Disney theme parks. It wouldn't be part of the "4 parks one world" concept that currently exists.

3. How would get the guests there and back in a timely manner? A fleet of buses would have to put in service and with today's gas prices, it would be expensive to operate. A monorail would cost a fortune to build the track and it doesn't seem feasible. It would take park hopping to a new level, I guess.

4. What about the off site hotels that are very close to Sea World and how would Disney control that? I doubt Disney would like someone else running a hotel that is darn near walking distance to the park. Disney is very big on theming and I can't see them just leaving the area as it is and keep the status quo.

5. What about Disney having a theme park that is very close to Universal Orlando? I don't know how that would work and this acquisition just doesn't seem possible, IMO.
 
I just couldn't see Disney buying the Sea World Orlando property, mainly because of a few things that stand out in my mind.

1. As one poster has previously said, it would be financial suicide to open a 5th gate at this moment..

2. Sea World is about 20 to 30 minute drive away from MK, depends on traffic of course and could be longer. It's far enough removed from WDW property that you wouldn't feel the same as you do when going to one of the other Disney theme parks. It wouldn't be part of the "4 parks one world" concept that currently exists.

3. How would get the guests there and back in a timely manner? A fleet of buses would have to put in service and with today's gas prices, it would be expensive to operate. A monorail would cost a fortune to build the track and it doesn't seem feasible. It would take park hopping to a new level, I guess.

4. What about the off site hotels that are very close to Sea World and how would Disney control that? I doubt Disney would like someone else running a hotel that is darn near walking distance to the park. Disney is very big on theming and I can't see them just leaving the area as it is and keep the status quo.

5. What about Disney having a theme park that is very close to Universal Orlando? I don't know how that would work and this acquisition just doesn't seem possible, IMO.
I agree with all your points. Can you imagine what would happen to I-4 with a constant line of Disney buses shuttling back and forth? :scared1:
 
That made me laugh out loud. You're probably right, and that's probably too much.

The real issue is, Disney may buy the Orlando property but wouldn't touch San Antonio or San Diego as they are nowhere near existing parks (not even Anaheim). If they grab Orlando, they would have to change the name because whoever took the others most likely would not.

My top three choices are:
1.) Disney's Aquatica
2.) Disney's Oceania
3.) Disney's Floridian Debacle.

You're forgetting Atlantis. I bet there's tons of kids just dying to meet Milo and Kida.
 
That made me laugh out loud. You're probably right, and that's probably too much.

The real issue is, Disney may buy the Orlando property but wouldn't touch San Antonio or San Diego as they are nowhere near existing parks (not even Anaheim). If they grab Orlando, they would have to change the name because whoever took the others most likely would not.

My top three choices are:
1.) Disney's Aquatica
2.) Disney's Oceania
3.) Disney's Floridian Debacle.
Actually, the San Diego site could be interesting if Disney has any intent on basing one of the new cruise ships on the West Coast. Not a great probability but at least an option. I do agree however that San Antonio doesn't fit anywhere into the puzzle.

Of your options I like Oceania the best although as mentioned by somebody else Atlantis may be an option to consider except for the name conflict with the resort in Nassau.
 
On this one point..

4. What about the off site hotels that are very close to Sea World and how would Disney control that? I doubt Disney would like someone else running a hotel that is darn near walking distance to the park. Disney is very big on theming and I can't see them just leaving the area as it is and keep the status quo.

... have you ever been to Disneyland?? :)
 
Honestly, if Disney was interested in only one park, I would think it would be Williamsburg--an attempt to re-try Disney's America without local opposition. Don't really see them buying Orlando Sea World unless the idea is to move Discovery Cove on property and shutter the rest of the parks. My money's still on Blackstone, tho.
 
I say they low-ball the figure, and if it doesn't work out put that money to better use installing new attractions at AK (making it a full-day park) as well as additions at the existing parks. Taking on a 5th gate in this economy is suicide, and at the same time cannibalism, particularly when you consider most families visiting Disney from around the country and the globe only spend an average of 5-7 days in Orlando. There simply isn't enough time to do that much. 10-15 years from now it may be worth it. Now... I think it would backfire. My opinion.

I guess I understand, intellectually at least, why you and others consider AK a half-day park, but the last two years, our family has spent at least 1.5 days there and still not done everything. Maybe it's just the sheer size of the place. But I agree that I would like to see more investment in the existing gates -- Beastly Kingdomme, anyone? An Australia or South America land in AK would be nice, also.

I don't, however, think that purchasing SW would be suicide. In fact, competitively it would make a lot of sense:

•As visitors arrive at Universal for the new WWoHP, there's an entire park in their faces reminding them which brand created Orlando as we know it.
•Removing SW, Aquatica and Discovery Cove from the Orlando FlexTicket would be a blow to Universal.
•Having SW as a 5th gate in the MYW w/Park Hopper option would create a value-added bonus for WDW visitors. For example, our last two trips to Orlando have been exclusively WDW. Our next trip, the wife wants to do Sea World, Universal, et al -- exclusive of Disney. She's not really jazzed about Universal, but financially it makes more sense than combining Sea World and WDW.

Just as InBev is looking to unload Busch Entertainment in order to offset the purchase cost of AB, I could see Disney then selling off San Antonio and San Diego to offset the Sea World purchase.

Regarding the economy as a whole, it's likely to turn around after the election. Until then, there'll only be talk of what to do without any real action.

All that being said, if the purchase of SW means no new attractions/lands at the existing gates over the next 5-10 years, then I say pass.
 
On this one point..

4. What about the off site hotels that are very close to Sea World and how would Disney control that? I doubt Disney would like someone else running a hotel that is darn near walking distance to the park. Disney is very big on theming and I can't see them just leaving the area as it is and keep the status quo.

... have you ever been to Disneyland?? :)



Not yet my friend, but I'm working on it.;) I'm pretty well versed though on the history of it. I know that Walt was very frustrated that he couldn't purchase the land around the Disneyland complex to prevent it becoming a tacky tourist trap, like it did for decades. He actually called the surrounding area a "second rate Vegas" and wasn't happy how the vision of his park was tainted by some of the lodging and tourist offerings. One of the reasons why he bought so much land when planning the Florida project, was to control the quality and prevent what happened in Anaheim, happening to the Florida project. Some people don't know that there wasn't any Disney owned hotels in that area in until the late 1980's when the Disney corporation finally purchased the Disneyland Hotel. Really the only true Disney designed, planned, and built hotel in that area is the Grand Californian. The other two Disney owned hotels started life as non Disney owned properties. They really had no choice to do what they did and their hands were tied.

That's one of things I thought of when seeing this thread and I doubt Disney would get into a situation like that again. It would have to be a sweetheart deal and something that they couldn't pass up. I really think it cost too much money to bring that park up to what Disney customers would expect from it. Disney and especially it's customers, IMO, would benefit from them taking that money to acquire Sea World Orlando and use it to beef up the existing parks. Animal Kingdom and DHS definitely come to mind.
 
I just had this idea while reading this thread. Why not Universal Orlando purchase SW, Discovery Cove, and Aquatica? They're near USO, at least closer than Disney is to it. Universal purchasing them would make more sense and they would have more to complete with against Disney. Just a thought. I don't know about the other parks around the country though. I'm not sure if InBev is willing to split up the parks. I do know they want nothing to do with them.
 
Well, then DisneySea would be a reality... LOL Not what we would hope but still...
 
Hopefully Universal will buy SW. That, in addition to the new HP land, would perhaps light a fire under Iger's keister and tell him to invest $2b into WDW.

No, wait. I've got a better idea. Just increase the price of the DxDP by $15 and remove the appetizer, dessert and beverage. That will do it. Yep.
 
I just had this idea while reading this thread. Why not Universal Orlando purchase SW, Discovery Cove, and Aquatica?

Blackstone/Merlin, the bidder most often mentioned, is a silent partner in Universal Orlando.

Sentinel has a story up on their blog suggesting the Disney rumor may have started with InBev itself, in an effort to drive up bids. :lmao: A Spanish company, Parques Reunidos, seems a likely suitor as well, tho.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/business_tourism_aviation/2008/08/chatter-on-seaw.html#more
 
Arrg. If Disney buys SW, we'd probably see current park investments/upgrades languish or at least dry up a bit - and a "Sea World DVC" on the planning slate before the ink is dry.


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Actually, I would say the San Diego and San Antonio would actually be more enticing than the Orlando. The Orlando is off property and getting guests there will be a pain without a light rail or other system.

Meanwhile, looking at Disney's expansion of DVC, and "Theme-park-in-a-box" proposals, additional parks in other areas may help them immensely.


That made me laugh out loud. You're probably right, and that's probably too much.

The real issue is, Disney may buy the Orlando property but wouldn't touch San Antonio or San Diego as they are nowhere near existing parks (not even Anaheim). If they grab Orlando, they would have to change the name because whoever took the others most likely would not.

My top three choices are:
1.) Disney's Aquatica
2.) Disney's Oceania
3.) Disney's Floridian Debacle.
 


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