Coronavirus and DCL Megathread - Suspension of Departures for the fleet until early November. Booking only available from early December.

[tinkerone]

A lot of things can happen it doesn’t mean they will.

...and doesn't mean they won't. I'm just saying that just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it can't happen. I hope your right but you could well be wrong. Fingers crossed.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Italy, France and Wuhan couldn't imagine it either. We don't have to imagine, because we can see the evidence in their experience.

 

[wombat_5606]

A lot of things can happen it doesn’t mean they will.

And that is what they are trying to do with the cancellations, restrictions and isolations they are putting in place.

How many ICU beds does your hospital have?

How many vents do you have, both in use and in storage?

How many patients are currently in ICU at your hospital?

If you are in a major city, you probably have a lot more resources than rural cities far from a major medical center.

 

[BeccaG]

So I have a question in regards to rebooking. My mom and daughter were supposed to go on a cruise next week for spring break, got the email to call Disney, we did and were told we can’t rebook right now, we have to wait until our credit comes through. I thought once you got the email that’s when you were supposed to call? Any insight into this?

 

[Geomom]

So I have a question in regards to rebooking. My mom and daughter were supposed to go on a cruise next week for spring break, got the email to call Disney, we did and were told we can’t rebook right now, we have to wait until our credit comes through. I thought once you got the email that’s when you were supposed to call? Any insight into this?

My guess is the call centers are overloaded, so they're just determining if you want a refund or credit right now vs. trying to rebook cruises which would take more time.

 

[pearljammer]

To NOT be one of those stuck in the airports today where people are lined up like a cattle drive, I’m grateful I’m NOT in that situation. While many are going back and forth on numbers, data, etc., what will, will not and odds ....I’m glad I’m NOT dealing with that either alone or with my family.

 

[DIS_MIKE]

It is such a mess and I feel so sorry for those people stuck at airports and in customs trying to get back into the country.

Spoiler

 

[Intr3pid]

Again false information. Ventilators are not stationary equipment.

Mechanical ventilators are not stationary, they plug into the hospitals wall gas, O2 and air outlets, or just air If they have a compressor

Stationary in the sense that each weighs almost 60kg (with the trolley) and needs external clean air and power supply. The storage tanks and batteries are for fail-safe operations.

There are portable versions, but they last only a few hours at best.

 

[smmco]

Stationary in the sense that each weighs almost 60kg (with the trolley) and needs external clean air and power supply. The storage tanks and batteries are for fail-safe operations.

There are portable versions, but they last only a few hours at best.

They are very easy to move around. There have wheels. Are we going to lose power now too? I’m not getting your point.

 

[Intr3pid]

Just to clarify: they actually shut down the Lunar New Year festivities in China so there is no mass gatherings everywhere. I know our business partners are all staying at home even if they are not in Wuhan.

That's true, but I'm referring to some of those spectacular exceptions. Such as this one:
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January 18:
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On the same day, the Wuhan City government held an annual banquet in the Baibuting community celebrating the Chinese New Year with 40,000 families in attendance despite the officials' knowledge of the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus. They shared meals, plates and ate together.
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timel...irus_pandemic_in_November_2019_–_January_2020

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...es-infections-after-40000-families-gather-for

 

[Intr3pid]

They are very easy to move around. There have wheels. Are we going to lose power now too? I’m not getting your point.

Are you going to cart this 60kg equipment across the country on those wheels from Omaha to San Francisco?

 

[gilsan]

They are very easy to move around. There have wheels. Are we going to lose power now too? I’m not getting your point.

They are not that easy to move around, you can't stick them in any room you need oxygen, and suction outlets and the outlets are not in every hospital room. You also need staff to run the ventilators, doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, and technologists. There is a reason there are only a few beds in ICU. You need a high staff to patient ratio when you have patients on a ventilator. You are being obtuse and it is apparent you have spent very little time dealing with patients on ventilators.

 

[smmco]

They are not that easy to move around, you can't stick them in any room you need oxygen, and suction outlets and the outlets are not in every hospital room. You also need staff to run the ventilators, doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, and technologists. There is a reason there are only a few beds in ICU. You need a high staff to patient ratio when you have patients on a ventilator. You are being obtuse and it is apparent you have spent very little time dealing with patients on ventilators.

All of our rooms are equipped to handle a ventilator. I’m well aware of the staffing ratios, but that wasn’t the question. The pp said they were stationary which they are not. I was answering that question. They weren’t asking about staffing ratios.

 

[smmco]

Are you going to cart this 60kg equipment across the country on those wheels from Omaha to San Francisco?

What?

 

[accio]

To NOT be one of those stuck in the airports today where people are lined up like a cattle drive, I’m grateful I’m NOT in that situation. While many are going back and forth on numbers, data, etc., what will, will not and odds ....I’m glad I’m NOT dealing with that either alone or with my family.

My family (minus me) cancelled their trip to Japan scheduled in early May and my mom is unsure whether they will reschedule for the fall. She may just go on her own (she has family there still to visit) because she’s losing interest (apparently all the cancellations were a headache to deal with). My sister and my BIL were planning to go to Montreal to celebrate their 40th birthdays next month, this is probably not going to happen either.

Thank God we have this Greek Isles cruise booked for June 2021 on the Magic to look forward to Took a bunch of Greece, Med ports out from the library before they temporary suspended operations last Friday.

 

[gotomu212]

Sorry I misquoted you. Patients needing vents and people ignoring them. I don't think that's going to happen here. Nobody knows if this is going to be worse than the flu or not. 4 times as many people have died from the flu this year then the Corona Virus. The Corona virus has some catching up to do. You don't know what the outcome of this will be any more than I do. You don't know whats fake news and what's real any more than I do.

Our health care system is very good. Have a little compassion and a little encouragement for those of those on the front lines. I'm tired of people telling us we can't handle this.

I‘m sorry you’re in healthcare and you’re still trotting out that line that we don’t know if it’s going to be worse than the flu? Unbelievable.

 

[smmco]

I’m going to remove this from watch list. Safe travels everyone. I hope we’re all back to cruising in 30 days.

 

[monkeydawn]

I‘m sorry you’re in healthcare and you’re still trotting out that line that we don’t know if it’s going to be worse than the flu? Unbelievable.

The Ignore Poster feature is wonderful, I'd suggest people start using it! Though it did make for some confusion this morning when I was still sleepy and wondering what in the heck people were replying to.

 

[Starwind]

They are very easy to move around. There have wheels. Are we going to lose power now too? I’m not getting your point.

In Italy they are setting up ICU beds in hallways, operating rooms, meeting rooms, etc... basically anywhere they have space that will work - and that is within the hospitals. Presumably not all of those spaces have what is needed to also hook up mechanical ventilators, or at least not easily [eg may have power, but do you have wall gas ? if not, and it can be attached to a tank, do you have enough tanks, ability to refil or replace and enough people to monitor and do that when needed, etc etc].

(ETA: and this is aside from the issue of having enough personnel to deal with a patient on a ventilator in the first place; and enough ventilators for the number of patients who need them)

 

[Dreams&wishes]

This is from an Australian doctor.