Confused with Math? TiW and AP for me?

[joeytdog]

Hello all!

Rarely post a thread but really need some help here....

My family and I (myself, wife, DD 6, DS 6) are heading to the world next June/July for our 4th time.

We never do the Dining Plan (we eat in the room for BK and some lunches) and really, thats not the point of the thread so.....

We never get AP's since we always travel in May

Now, since this year we are going in June, I was wondering if we should get AP's based on the following:

-Our following years trip will be within a year
-It would allow us to purchase a TiW card

Some background:

-We dont need Park Hoppers
-We do need Water Parks
-We always rent points from DVC members, but are not members ourselves
-We will visit 4 Theme Parks and 2 Water Parks and DTD per trip
-We plan on dining at the following:

Chef Mickeys
Narrccossees
Tonys
Victoria and Alberts (NOT chef table)
1900 Park Fare
Ohanas
Fultons Crab House
Cali Grill

So.....instead of a 7 day base ticket should I upgrade to AP's (what would that cost be?)

And should I add TiW (what would I approximately save on our next trip based on the restaurants above?)

TIA

I love this board!!!!

 

[clanmcculloch]

Premium Annual Passes cost $669.89 Adult (10+), $603.86 Child (3-9)
7 day MYW non-Expiring tickets with WP&M cost $471.80 Adult (10+), $447.30 Child (3-9)
10 day MYW non-Expiring tickets with WP&M costs $563.40 Adult (10+), 254.54+$226.85+$57.51 = $538.90

I was confused about your statement about the 7 day MYW tickets. Will you need more than 10 park days between the 2 trips? If not then that does come out a bit cheaper than APs, though you won't be able to buy the TiW card. I can't imagine saving THAT much with TiW (remember that price difference is per person so multiply that by the number of people in your party). With the non-expiration tickets, the remaining WP entries are good forever so if you only use 6 of the 10 then the following trip you'll still have 4 entries left and won't have to buy that WP&M option that time.

 

[Golf4food]

Dinner at V&A will pay for the TIW by itself, much less all of the other pricey meals. If you are going to spend more than $375 total in a year on eligible meals the TIW card will "pay for itself" and everything else is gravy.

 

[joeytdog]

Do water parks count against the days used?

i.e. trip would be MK 2x, AK, DHS and 2 water parks and DTD

Is that 4 or 6 or 7 total?

We would do that on both trips

The main reason for the AP would also to be able to secure a TiW card, as most of our Dining is on the higher side

I am just trying to figure out the costs of MWY plus WP for 7 days expiration from 1st use V. AP's and TiW card

If I can offset that costs by using the TiW card then it would be worth it JIMO

 

[joeytdog]

Here is what I think I have from undercover tourist:

MYW +WP 7 days: $305 per adult and $280 per child or $1170

PAP: $670 per adult and $603 per child or $2546 plus TiW card $75 or just over $2600

So basically it is $1400 more?

 

[clanmcculloch]

WP&M alotments are counted completely separate. If you have a 7 day non-expiration ticket with WP&M then you get 7 park admissions PLUS 7 WP&M admissions.

MK 2x, AK, DHS and 2 water parks and DTD means you're using 4 park admissions plus 3 WP&M admissions (I'm assuming DTD includes DQ). If you have 7 day non-expiration tickets, you'd still have 3 park admissions plus 4 WP&M admissions left for your next trip. I was trying to think of tickets that will get you through both trips.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

This post includes the assumption you have a ten day MYW ticket with both the Park Hopper and Water Park Fun and More (WPF&M) options.

Hopefully this will make it a little clearer. In effect you have two tickets with different privileges on one card. Everything expires 14 days after first use unless you have the no-expire (NE) option. If you have the NE option all the entitlements are good until they are used up. Even if you use up all your major park days, the WPF&M entries remain valid until used. (Note you do not have to use the days consecutively.)

You have ten days of access to the four major parks (AK, DHS, EC, MK), and may visit more than one major park on a single day without any extra charges. Without the Park Hopper option you can only go to one major park per day.

You have ten entries to the minor parks (BB, DQ, OT, TL, WWS). These may or may not be used on the same days as you go to the major parks. However, if you went to TL in the morning, Oak Trail* in the afternoon, and Disney Quest in the evening of one day you would have used three of the ten entries. (Note that leaving and returning to the same minor park on the same day does not use an extra entry.)

If you go to minor parks only on one day and do not go to a major park you do not use up one of your major park days.

If you were to go to a Water Park in the morning and then one of the major parks for the remainder of the day you would have used one minor park entry and one day of major park entry.

Note that with the MYW ticket unless you have the hopper option you can only go to one major park per day. Unless you have the WPF&M option you cannot go to a minor park without upgrading or purchasing a separate ticket.

If you will doing water parks one or two times during the year and you purchase a regular (not Premium) AP you can get a 10% discount on the one day water park tickets at the gate. If you will be doing three or more water park and/or Disney Quest then it makes more financial sense to get a Premium Annual Pass.

*Oak Trail is a nine-hole "Executive" walking (no carts) golf course. Each person must have their own set of clubs and they can be rented for $15 per person if they don't bring their own.

 

[purple figment]

Do water parks count against the days used?

i.e. trip would be MK 2x, AK, DHS and 2 water parks and DTD

Is that 4 or 6 or 7 total?

We would do that on both trips

The main reason for the AP would also to be able to secure a TiW card, as most of our Dining is on the higher side

If each trip is MK 2x, AK and DHS that would be 4 parks per trip so you would need at least an 8 day MYW ticket. You would also have to add non-expiring to the ticket to cover both trips.

On UT I saw the $305 you quoted, but that would only give you 7 days for the parks, rather than 8 and does not include the no expiration. The UT price for a 7 day non-expiring MYW with WP&M is $439. I didn't see an 8 day option.

If you are interested in the TIW card, you only need one adult AP for your family. The rest of your family could buy the 8 day MYW with WP&M non-expiring tickets.

 

[BriarRosie]

I think the AP might be the better deal, since you're returning for a second trip within 365 days of your first trip.

And as others have said, a dinner at V&A will cover the cost of the TiW, with the rest being savings beyond that.

 

[3Minnies1Mickey]

If each trip is MK 2x, AK and DHS that would be 4 parks per trip so you would need at least an 8 day MYW ticket. You would also have to add non-expiring to the ticket to cover both trips.

On UT I saw the $305 you quoted, but that would only give you 7 days for the parks, rather than 8 and does not include the no expiration. The UT price for a 7 day non-expiring MYW with WP&M is $439. I didn't see an 8 day option.

If you are interested in the TIW card, you only need one adult AP for your family. The rest of your family could buy the 8 day MYW with WP&M non-expiring tickets.

I think this is your best bet. Get all but one the 8 day MYW w/WP&M Non-expiring tickets. Get one person an AP for TIW.

 

[joeytdog]

Wow, this is why I LOVE these boards!

Thanks so much for all the information

I learned two valuable things

-That WP's dont count as days (minor v. major)

AND

-That you only need ONEAP to get TiW

Back to the calculator to run numbers!!!

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it

And hear I thought, I was a Disney "expert" LOL!

 

[BriarRosie]

Wow, this is why I LOVE these boards!

Thanks so much for all the information

I learned two valuable things

-That WP's dont count as days (minor v. major)

AND

-That you only need ONEAP to get TiW

Back to the calculator to run numbers!!!

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it

And hear I thought, I was a Disney "expert" LOL!

I'd be curious to see if the multi-day ticket with plus options, hopping (?), and no expiration are better than getting APs. You'll have to figure on how many days you'll be entering the major parks on BOTH years' trips to figure out which is better for you.

And the AP holder must be the adult purchasing TiW. You can't use a child's AP for that. (Yes, people have asked that question many times!)

 

[bumbershoot]

Do water parks count against the days used?

i.e. trip would be MK 2x, AK, DHS and 2 water parks and DTD

Is that 4 or 6 or 7 total?

We would do that on both trips

Ah, no one (that I know of) picked up on that on your DVC board post just like this one.

I know that I figured you meant you do 7 days in the main parks, plus the waterparks twice, on each trip. Which is why I wanted you to look at the AP at least for one, and maybe a waterpark AP...