Come here to argue politics and loose your temper and embaress yourself

[ohdisco]

if you're making 250k a year, youre sitting behind a desk.

if youre making 20-30k a year, you're working in a store, you're working in a factory, you're teaching a class, you're on your feet, you're busy.

technically.

the harder workers
are low-middle class.

uuhhh...Lawyers? Doctors? Athletes? They work harder than any low-middle class job I know, even teachers.
My grandpa made a whole lot of money a year as an aeronautical engineer, but he wasn't home 10 months out of that year. He was flying all over the world monitoring the satellites.

Also, a whole lot of middle class people work behind desks. Office Space? Middle class people. The Office? Middle class people. The administration at schools is all middle class people. Secretaries and receptionists are middle class. Cubicals are pretty much dominated by the middle class. My manager at the Lego store, who is middle class, pretty much is always on the computer in his office.

I mean, I agree that lower paid people work very hard for their money, but higher paid people work hard too. It's not about who works harder than the other because you can always find balances.

And $250,000 is rich and I doubt these people would miss the money they lose a great deal.

The argument isn't about if they'll miss their money or not.
It's about Obama doing something that is kinda illegal to help out less fortunate people. Ex post facto laws are illegal in the United States, so he can't really make people who got tax cuts in 2001 pay the money they WOULD'VE had to pay if the tax cuts weren't given. Unfortunately, he's counting on that money to do all the miraculous things he promised this nation. I voted Obama, but I have a feeling he's going to find it hard to keep most of his promises to this nation.

 

[Babyjustrun]

Even if an athelete is working hard, physically for their money, I think they're getting paid way too much to play games.

 

[PinkAnimePrincess]

ugh

Obama


i hate the fact that he wants to take money from the better off people who work hard for there money and give it to the worse off people who are too lazy to get off there butts and work

And don't blow up on me


that's just my opinion :]

I respect your opinion,
However in my opinion the "worse off people" aren't lazy.
Just because some people aren't as wealthy as others, doesn't mean they don't work hard for their money.

 

[crazytp93]

if you're making 250k a year, youre sitting behind a desk.

if youre making 20-30k a year, you're working in a store, you're working in a factory, you're teaching a class, you're on your feet, you're busy.

technically.

the harder workers
are low-middle class.

Eh I think thats a poor generalization.

 

[Shelton123]

ugh

Obama


i hate the fact that he wants to take money from the better off people who work hard for there money and give it to the worse off people who are too lazy to get off there butts and work

And don't blow up on me


that's just my opinion :]

Have you realized that some people are BORN into being working class? Sometimes people can work as hard as they can, but they just can't make much money. The people that get paid a lot are movie actors and actresses. They get millions of dollars, and they hardly have to do any work. And if you say you have to have acting talent, you don't. They get hundreds of takes, and if they are famous a director will pay big to have them. The actors and actresses who really have to work hard are the ones who act live.

 

[PurpleDucky]

if you're making 250k a year, youre sitting behind a desk.

if youre making 20-30k a year, you're working in a store, you're working in a factory, you're teaching a class, you're on your feet, you're busy.

technically.

the harder workers
are low-middle class.

We're upper-middle class and my stepmom is a lawyer. Generally, she works about 100 hours a week or more. Her life is so stressful.

 

[xPrincessSmilesx]

Eh I think thats a poor generalization.

But it's just as poor a generalisation as saying the working classes are lazy.

Like another poster said there are some people who are born into the working class who can never escape it - despite what people say the class system is alive and well and social mobility is at time no more than a myth. The fact is working class people are disadvantaged from the start they can't afford an education as good as those of the middle class, many not be able to afford to go onto college etc they end up in a lower paid job and the cycle starts again.

Anyway lets not forget the bank CEO's and big shots who bring in massive wages + bonuses, and many are the ones who got us all into this fine economic wage! I certainly don't feel guilt about taking a bit of their huge stashes of money away to give to those in dire need of it because of THEIR greed.

 

[Sparx]

But it's just as poor a generalisation as saying the working classes are lazy.

Like another poster said there are some people who are born into the working class who can never escape it - despite what people say the class system is alive and well and social mobility is at time no more than a myth. The fact is working class people are disadvantaged from the start they can't afford an education as good as those of the middle class, many not be able to afford to go onto college etc they end up in a lower paid job and the cycle starts again.

Anyway lets not forget the bank CEO's and big shots who bring in massive wages + bonuses, and many are the ones who got us all into this fine economic wage! I certainly don't feel guilt about taking a bit of their huge stashes of money away to give to those in dire need of it because of THEIR greed.

thats kinda the point i was trying to make. everyone got so outraged that i said the working class works harder than high class, but thats just as wrong as saying that the high class is working harder than the working class and the working class is just lazy.

 

[pigletgirl]

I feel like we're talking in circles.

Lets move on!!

 

[Ricky Bobby26]

Not always...there are definetly exceptions, but generally the middle class and up are educated "white-collar workers" and the lower middle to lower class is uneducated and work in "unskillful" occupations. By unskillful, I mean that just about anyone could do it with very little training.

Both have people who work just as hard, however the white collar workers generally can't be replaced easily, which is why they make more money...The higher pay is incentive to stay working a specific job for the same employer. A good example would be a lawyer. A Lawyer is very skillful occupation which requires years of education. In exchange for the initial time and effort learning a complex and specific trade (law) lawyers get paid a decent amount of money. If the pay incentive was not there, much fewer people would want to learn law. A factory worker may work the same 100 hour weeks that the lawyer is, however the factory worker can be replaced much easier than the lawyer.

The unfortunate thing about the $250,000 definition of rich, does not take into account area of living. Out in the country, 250K a year is very wealthy...Elite upper class...In the suburbs, 250,000 combined income is middle, leaning upper middle class. In the city, 250K is middle-lower middle class. If you don't believe me, look at land prices. In the country you can get land for 2K an acre. In the suburbs its 200,000 an acre. And in the city it is over a million dollars for an acre of land.

The whole class system thing is garbage. I will admit it is a little more difficult for the lower class to be successful. But this is because very rarely do these people have parents who are pushing them to go to college.

I don't think you guys realize how much financial aid is out there for the taking. All of the Ivy's will pay your tuition in FULL if your parents are making under 60,000 a year. Where as if your parents are making roughly 200,000 a year, you hardly get anything from most colleges. Some of you may say well, they can afford it if they're making that much....but think about if a family has more than one student in college a at a time, they could be paying around 100,000 a year for their kids to go to school.

Also, there are thousands of scholarships out there, you just need to apply for them. FAFSA, the federal student financial aid package will def. help all those who are lower than the middle class attend college, and most people in the middle class. College is affordable for everyone, you just need to look in the right places for help.

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

When people say that the lower class doesnt work as hard as the upperclass, I dont think that these people mean that the lower class puts in the same amount of hours or anything like that. They mean that there is a reason for these people working in the lower class. They didnt put the Time and Effort when they needed to. Unstead they did other things, unlike the higher class who put in the time and effort.

Their is a consequence for everything you do in life. Why is it fair that people making $250,000 a year have to bailout all these people who made bad choices? What does that promote? Work hard in school and dont party everynight and get a good job, but have to give all that money to the people who deiceded not to work hard in school and party?

So the main point of my post is that everything you do in life will come back around and bite you in your butt. So why should the higher class be taking the bite for the lower class???????

 

[Tinkerbell424]

When people say that the lower class doesnt work as hard as the upperclass, I dont think that these people mean that the lower class puts in the same amount of hours or anything like that. They mean that there is a reason for these people working in the lower class. They didnt put the Time and Effort when they needed to. Unstead they did other things, unlike the higher class who put in the time and effort.

Their is a consequence for everything you do in life. Why is it fair that people making $250,000 a year have to bailout all these people who made bad choices? What does that promote? Work hard in school and dont party everynight and get a good job, but have to give all that money to the people who deiceded not to work hard in school and party?

So the main point of my post is that everything you do in life will come back around and bite you in your butt. So why should the higher class be taking the bite for the lower class???????

I'm sorry but your whole post offends me.
How could you say that someone who doesnt make 250k did not put time and effot into their life to be who they are.
Teachers and social workers put a ton of effort and don't make 250k.
Not everyone who doesnt make 250k or a high amount, went to college and partied.

Some people were born into the lower class. Some people did not get the chance to become doctors and lawyers. Some people could not afford college and had to go straight to a job and live from paycheck to paycheck just to keep food on the table. Some people aren't as fortunate as others.

It's already settled. So I don't know why people are still complaining. Obama's our president elect now. His tax plan will go into effect. If you do not like what it does or how it runs, then thats just tough.

 

[pitt02]

Like Ricky Bobby said there are plenty of scholarship chances if you want to go to college you will find a way.

 

[seaturtledude]

Like Ricky Bobby said there are plenty of scholarship chances if you want to go to college you will find a way.

that's only partially true. not everyone can go to college. and, their are only a certain amount of scholarships available.

 

[Sparx]

When people say that the lower class doesnt work as hard as the upperclass, I dont think that these people mean that the lower class puts in the same amount of hours or anything like that. They mean that there is a reason for these people working in the lower class. They didnt put the Time and Effort when they needed to. Unstead they did other things, unlike the higher class who put in the time and effort.

Their is a consequence for everything you do in life. Why is it fair that people making $250,000 a year have to bailout all these people who made bad choices? What does that promote? Work hard in school and dont party everynight and get a good job, but have to give all that money to the people who deiceded not to work hard in school and party?

So the main point of my post is that everything you do in life will come back around and bite you in your butt. So why should the higher class be taking the bite for the lower class???????

because without the working class, teh higher class will collapse.

what about that guy who drives the garbage truck?
or the guy who makes sure the electricity doesn't get turned off?
or the guy who is in your sewer system making sure everything is working?
or maybe the guy who drives the truck that empties the septic tank?
what about the lady who delivers the mail?
or what about the family who grows your food?
the family who raises the animals you eat?

they don't get paid 250k.

but without them, the people who did, wouldn't be able to live a comfortable life.

not everyone can be a rocket scientist. not everyone can be high class.

but without everybody, our way of life collapses.

paying higher taxes isn't "bailing anyone out." its a fact of life that people who make more money pay more taxes. President obama is just suggesting that the people who make less money would pay lower taxes, and that only makes sense! they can't very well pay high taxes when they don't have the money. and frankly, the people who aren't getting a tax cut are not going to notice. it will not make or break any of them. on the other hand, it will help billions of people.

i honestly do not understand how anyone can really be against that.

 

[froggy5657]

I did not write this I received it in an email

Subject: What if things were switched around.....think about it.
Would the country's collective point of view be different?

Ponder the following:

What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a
a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?

What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe
disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while
he was still married?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain
killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption
in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings
and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many
occasions, a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality,
do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in
another when there is a color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in
the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.

There has to be a reason that, in spite of the above, we are where we are today.

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

I'm sorry but your whole post offends me.
How could you say that someone who doesnt make 250k did not put time and effot into their life to be who they are.
Teachers and social workers put a ton of effort and don't make 250k.
Not everyone who doesnt make 250k or a high amount, went to college and partied.

Some people were born into the lower class. Some people did not get the chance to become doctors and lawyers. Some people could not afford college and had to go straight to a job and live from paycheck to paycheck just to keep food on the table. Some people aren't as fortunate as others.

It's already settled. So I don't know why people are still complaining. Obama's our president elect now. His tax plan will go into effect. If you do not like what it does or how it runs, then thats just tough.

Im saying that what effort and time these people put into their school life is a direct comparrison to what their jobs are. Yes you do get the people who want to be social workers and teachers, but those are only a certain number of people.

yes some people are born into lowerclass. But look at Sean "Diddy" Colmes. He came from nothing and look at him now. Has his own record lable and clothing line. You can do what ever you want to do if you put your mind to it. There are ways for people to get help if they need it. People shouldnt be making excuses. Resources are there people are just to lazy to find them.

because without the working class, teh higher class will collapse.

what about that guy who drives the garbage truck?
or the guy who makes sure the electricity doesn't get turned off?
or the guy who is in your sewer system making sure everything is working?
or maybe the guy who drives the truck that empties the septic tank?
what about the lady who delivers the mail?
or what about the family who grows your food?
the family who raises the animals you eat?

they don't get paid 250k.

but without them, the people who did, wouldn't be able to live a comfortable life.

not everyone can be a rocket scientist. not everyone can be high class.

but without everybody, our way of life collapses.

paying higher taxes isn't "bailing anyone out." its a fact of life that people who make more money pay more taxes. President obama is just suggesting that the people who make less money would pay lower taxes, and that only makes sense! they can't very well pay high taxes when they don't have the money. and frankly, the people who aren't getting a tax cut are not going to notice. it will not make or break any of them. on the other hand, it will help billions of people.

i honestly do not understand how anyone can really be against that.

Do you think the electrical guy or the garbage man(who do get paid a descent amount) or any of the other people you listed wanted to be that when they were a teenager in highschool or young adult? No they didnt.

Guess what? People who make less money already do pay lower taxes!!

Yes i guess you wont notice a whole lot, but why cant i decide where that money goes? Shouldn't it be my choice to see where my money is spent?

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Not everyone gets the same opporunitys like Diddy got. That's life. Not everyone can live out their dreams. Some people have to be real, and do what they can do when the time brings it.

Besides, not everyone can be rich. I'm sure everyone would love to be, but thats not the way things go.

You need to be realistic, and stop blaming people that the reason they arent rich and "acceptable" is because they slacked off and didnt put in any effort when you don't know them or the story of their life.

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

Not everyone gets the same opporunitys like Diddy got. That's life. Not everyone can live out their dreams. Some people have to be real, and do what they can do when the time brings it.

Besides, not everyone can be rich. I'm sure everyone would love to be, but thats not the way things go.

You need to be realistic, and stop blaming people that the reason they arent rich and "acceptable" is because they slacked off and didnt put in any effort when you don't know them or the story of their life.

Yes this is true, but you have to be realistic and see that people do slack off and than pay the price later in their life. And now they want everyone else to help them out even though they threw their chances out the window.

Also people need to stop blaming their own misfortunes because they couldnt go to college. Like Ricky Bobby stated earlyer, there are plenty of aids for people to afford college.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Yes this is true, but you have to be realistic and see that people do slack off and than pay the price later in their life. And now they want everyone else to help them out even though they threw their chances out the window.

Also people need to stop blaming their own misfortunes because they couldnt go to college. Like Ricky Bobby stated earlyer, there are plenty of aids for people to afford college.

Very true. But not everyone who doesnt make tons of money slacked off. There are a ton of hard working Americans.

Uhm..well, not everyone gets scholarships. Loans are what got us in this debt we are in. && not everyone is going to join the military in hopes of making it out alive and receiving an education. If people can't afford college or simply college isnt for them, end up doing things with their life. If they dont, then tough luck on them for not doing something with their life. But just because of that, doesn't give you the right to say that Americans arent rich because they slacked off.

Personally, I don't see how its anyones business if they went to college, if they didnt go to college, if that stopped them from getting a job, etc. They pay taxes just like everyone else. This tax plan is to help us, 95% of America, whether we, personally slacked off or not.

I hope my post made sense and didn't offend you. But I do not agree how people are saying "It's not fair that people are lazy and we have to pay for them." Because honestly that's not the case AT ALL. If you do not agree with this post, then I will simply agree to disagree with you.