child size evc/scooter for hc child

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My son is 9 year old and his moderate cp. he currently has a convaid stroller and walks short distances... but really wants to be indepednent and has seen kids in scooters/evc at disney world and would like one... any websites /advice would be helpful.
 
You should check with his physical therapist and doctor about this. The ones that you see in WDW are privately owned as no rental place will rent to for a child to use.
 
I have never seen any kids in ECVs here. However, it is not uncommon to see them in a power chair. There is a big difference, not only in the way they work but in what they cost.

There is only one of the recommended dealers who will rent for a user under 18, but it either must be a person who owns their own ECV at home and did not bring it or an older teen with something like a broken leg. And also they will deliver it directly (not to Bell Services) and make a determination if the child can handle the ECV.
 
The scooters available to rent are adult size and most of the companies will only rent them to or to be used by people over the age of 18. There is one off-site company that will rent to older teens on a case-by-case basis, but at 9 he would still be too young and also too small for the adult sized ECVs.

I have seen kids driving the ECV that was apparently rented for an adult (you see the adult driving it later in the day). I know that the rental agreements people sign specify that they will not allow anyone under 18 to drive and/or ride on it, so people doing that are not following the rental agreement they signed. That would cause problems if there is any accident.
I have also seen kids using ones that were obviously their own because they were smaller than the ones you usually see and had been 'personalized.'

I don't know when your trip is, but you might want to talk to his doctors/therapists about getting something besides the Convaid stroller. A 9 yr old is going to want to be able to choose where he goes and not be pushed if he's able to drive on his own. Just the fact that he's noticing and asking for it means that he needs some independent mobility for those times when walking is just too much.
Even if he can walk short distances, there will be situations - like shopping, where a wheelchair or ECV would be helpful. He may end up with a lightweight manual wheelchair, a power wheelchair or a child sized ECV (they do make those). An ECV would be easier to transport than a power wheelchair. When you have a power wheelchair, you are basically talking about needing a wheelchair van to transport it. Most ECVs are made so that they can be taken apart and put in a car trunk.

You could check with his therapists to see if there is any kind of 'lending closet' or if they have a rental place to recommend at home to get a small ECV. If so, you can transport it with you. ECVs can be brought right to the door of the airplane in most cases. Wheelchairs and ECVs are transported by the airlines free of charge and don't count toward the baggage allowance.
 
I agree that checking with the doctor or a PT/OT would be a good idea. My DD17 uses a manual chair now, but she might be moving to a power chair in the future. I had asked one time about an ECV (they are cheaper, plus you can break them down to put in your car trunk) but the PT said that wouldn't be possible because of DD's seating needs. But I think it would be worthwhile for you to know what your options will be.

Mary
 
i need to clarify somthing... its not for rental.. I was looking into getting him for when we are lets say at the mall... or in school when he has to walk long distances to certain classes.. he has a convaid stroller but somthing electronic is what he would like.. and i dont blame him. he wants to be independent.. and a manual wheelchair wont work either b./c his CP is global and he has low tone in his upper body making it difficult for him to do on his own.
 
The last time I was at DL a couple weeks ago I did see a child on a scooter, actually two because his sister was standing on the back of the scooter. It freaked me out, I use a scooter and I know how hard they are to manuever safely in the parks. I would say he was not more than 11 at most.
It was a private scooter so I assume they owned it.
While I can appreciate the independence thing I think safety for all guests should come first. It is not something I would be comfortable doing but that is my personal opinion.
 
i need to clarify somthing... its not for rental.. I was looking into getting him for when we are lets say at the mall... or in school when he has to walk long distances to certain classes.. he has a convaid stroller but somthing electronic is what he would like.. and i dont blame him. he wants to be independent.. and a manual wheelchair wont work either b./c his CP is global and he has low tone in his upper body making it difficult for him to do on his own.

With low tone, would he be able to safely control an ECV? The only ECVs I have seen have handle bars, and you would need control of your upper torso and arms/shoulders to be able to operate it. An electric wheelchair would have the 'stick shift' (that's what we called it for one of our students) and be much easier to control, but harder to transport.
 
I agree with what Sue said as she is in the health field. You need to talk to therapists as they can help him get one right for him.

As for safety of a 4 to 15 year old on an ECV or powerchair I would say that I would fee safer with the kid driving than with an adult. I was run down by an old man in an ECV but never by a kid. The ones I have seen were responsible and treated he chair or ECV like it was a part of them and a tool to use not a toy. The problem is the bratty parents who allow their kids to play with stuff they should not.

I say get him an ECV/scooter. There are different types out there but I honestly would not know where to get a pint sized ECV.
 
i need to clarify somthing... its not for rental.. I was looking into getting him for when we are lets say at the mall... or in school when he has to walk long distances to certain classes.. he has a convaid stroller but somthing electronic is what he would like.. and i dont blame him. he wants to be independent.. and a manual wheelchair wont work either b./c his CP is global and he has low tone in his upper body making it difficult for him to do on his own.
We weren't sure (which is why you got a mixture of rental vs check with his care providers). After this reply, I will move this thread to the disABILITIES COMMUNITY Board, which is more for general subjects, not related to travel.

You will definitely need input from his therapist and doctor since he has low tone issues. Something that might be OK for a short time may be too tiring for him to use for longer periods. This is just kind of an overview to give you somewhere to start discussing.

ECVIf the low tone in his upper body would make it hard for him to use a manual wheelchair, he may have difficulty with an ECV.
Basically, for an ECV, the person is sitting in a chair that is very similar to an office chair. So, first of all, he would need to be stable enough sitting in a chair like that to sit in it while it is moving. In order to drive the scooter, he would need to be able to reach forward to operate the controls on the tiller. Here's a picture of a typical mobility scooter:
victory10shown.jpg

For someone with low tone, it may be very difficult to hold the arms up like that and work against gravity. In addition, if he needs more supportive seating, that is not available in an ECV.
I have seen child sized ECVs, but when I searched, I could not find any. It's possible that they are not on the internet, but only in literature that Physical Therapists/Company Reps use when actually evaluating a child for one. Most of the adult ones start out to be used by someone up to 250 pounds; they do have some adjustability, but how much would vary from model to model.

Power wheelchair may be his best option. They are driven with one hand, using a joystick, so take very little hand motion or strength to drive. Since the joystick is attached to the armrest or close by, the driver doesn't have to work against gravity at all.
The companies that make power wheelchairs have both pediatric and adult models. Which he would fit would depend on his size and the company. Some can have seats as narrow as 14 inches for the adult sized chairs and for other companies, you need a child's wheelchair to get that narrow of a size. The more expensive power wheelchairs have custom sized seats, which are necessary for people with more positioning needs. There are also wheelchairs available with seats more similar to those found on ECVs for people with less need for positioning. Those would be less expensive. The other thing that makes a difference is the controller (which has the joystick that controls the computer that controls the wheelchair). Some people need only simple controls - the joystick has only one program and has a slide or knob where you can turn the speed from turtle (slow) to rabbit (fast). Other people have more complex needs and have a more complex controller; my DD's has 4 different programs that we use depending on her muscle tone and whether we are driving the wheelchair for her. There are about 8 parameters (like how fast it accelerates, how fast it comes to a stop, turning speed, speed when going backwards, etc.) that can be set individually for each program. That kind of programmer is much more expensive than the simpler ones, but luckily, some people don't need one that complex and adjustable.
The most common power wheelchair companies in the US are:
Invacare
Sunrise Medical
and Pride Mobility, which has 2 separate brands.One brand is called Jazzy, which usually have seats similar to ECV seats, but some models have other options. Their Quantum Rehab models have more seat options and also have more options for how the chair is controlled.

One of the drawbacks to most power wheelchairs is that they are made for people who will be using them while traveling, so most don't come apart in any way. There is one I am aware of that can be taken apart and folded. I saw it at a Disabilities Expo and it was really cool. It is called the A200 and is made by a European company called Otto Bock. It is considered a 'light duty' power wheelchair for someone like your son who would not be using it full time and/or doesn't need a lot of positioning.
Jazzy (see link above) has 1 model that can be taken apart for transport, the Z chair.

Manual wheelchairs with power assist are something you may not be aware of. If he is capable of making the motion to propel a manual wheelchair, but doesn't have the strength or endurance to move the wheelchair very far, a manual wheelchair with power assist may be an option for him. These wheelchairs have the advantage of being able to be easily transported, but the power axles on the wheels can do up to 80% of the work of propelling the wheelchair.
Here's one called the Quickie Xtender
and another is called E-motion.
They are not in-expensive (when you put the price of the special motorized wheels together with the price of the wheelchair to put them on, the price may not be that different than a power wheelchair.
 
We weren't sure (which is why you got a mixture of rental vs check with his care providers). After this reply, I will move this thread to the disABILITIES COMMUNITY Board, which is more for general subjects, not related to travel.

You will definitely need input from his therapist and doctor since he has low tone issues. Something that might be OK for a short time may be too tiring for him to use for longer periods. This is just kind of an overview to give you somewhere to start discussing.

ECVIf the low tone in his upper body would make it hard for him to use a manual wheelchair, he may have difficulty with an ECV.
Basically, for an ECV, the person is sitting in a chair that is very similar to an office chair. So, first of all, he would need to be stable enough sitting in a chair like that to sit in it while it is moving. In order to drive the scooter, he would need to be able to reach forward to operate the controls on the tiller. Here's a picture of a typical mobility scooter:
victory10shown.jpg

For someone with low tone, it may be very difficult to hold the arms up like that and work against gravity. In addition, if he needs more supportive seating, that is not available in an ECV.
I have seen child sized ECVs, but when I searched, I could not find any. It's possible that they are not on the internet, but only in literature that Physical Therapists/Company Reps use when actually evaluating a child for one. Most of the adult ones start out to be used by someone up to 250 pounds; they do have some adjustability, but how much would vary from model to model.

Power wheelchair may be his best option. They are driven with one hand, using a joystick, so take very little hand motion or strength to drive. Since the joystick is attached to the armrest or close by, the driver doesn't have to work against gravity at all.
The companies that make power wheelchairs have both pediatric and adult models. Which he would fit would depend on his size and the company. Some can have seats as narrow as 14 inches for the adult sized chairs and for other companies, you need a child's wheelchair to get that narrow of a size. The more expensive power wheelchairs have custom sized seats, which are necessary for people with more positioning needs. There are also wheelchairs available with seats more similar to those found on ECVs for people with less need for positioning. Those would be less expensive. The other thing that makes a difference is the controller (which has the joystick that controls the computer that controls the wheelchair). Some people need only simple controls - the joystick has only one program and has a slide or knob where you can turn the speed from turtle (slow) to rabbit (fast). Other people have more complex needs and have a more complex controller; my DD's has 4 different programs that we use depending on her muscle tone and whether we are driving the wheelchair for her. There are about 8 parameters (like how fast it accelerates, how fast it comes to a stop, turning speed, speed when going backwards, etc.) that can be set individually for each program. That kind of programmer is much more expensive than the simpler ones, but luckily, some people don't need one that complex and adjustable.
The most common power wheelchair companies in the US are:
Invacare
Sunrise Medical
and Pride Mobility, which has 2 separate brands.One brand is called Jazzy, which usually have seats similar to ECV seats, but some models have other options. Their Quantum Rehab models have more seat options and also have more options for how the chair is controlled.

One of the drawbacks to most power wheelchairs is that they are made for people who will be using them while traveling, so most don't come apart in any way. There is one I am aware of that can be taken apart and folded. I saw it at a Disabilities Expo and it was really cool. It is called the A200 and is made by a European company called Otto Bock. It is considered a 'light duty' power wheelchair for someone like your son who would not be using it full time and/or doesn't need a lot of positioning.
Jazzy (see link above) has 1 model that can be taken apart for transport, the Z chair.

Manual wheelchairs with power assist are something you may not be aware of. If he is capable of making the motion to propel a manual wheelchair, but doesn't have the strength or endurance to move the wheelchair very far, a manual wheelchair with power assist may be an option for him. These wheelchairs have the advantage of being able to be easily transported, but the power axles on the wheels can do up to 80% of the work of propelling the wheelchair.
Here's one called the Quickie Xtender
and another is called E-motion.
They are not in-expensive (when you put the price of the special motorized wheels together with the price of the wheelchair to put them on, the price may not be that different than a power wheelchair.


This is exactly what he needs... as for his low tone.. he rides and adaptive three wheel bike very well and steers it well.. its good for his shoulders.. i wouldnt dare try this in disney with all the crowds... his perception is off a bit so this is somthing im looking for longterm.. in school and like I said the mall or outside if we all go for a walk. thank you all for you help.
 
My daughter had a scooter on her make a wish trip to DL last august , she was diagnosed with bone cancer and not only stamina was an issue but also mobility because of the knee replacement she got as a result of the cancer and was not walking more than transfering from the scooter to the ride. she is 15 and she was one heck of a lot more careful than adults on ECV's I can tell you that much.
To the OP , if you think this could help your son , I would try to get someone close to your home and rent one out just to try it out , if it doesn't work then try a power chair.
 












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