Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[Lisa loves Pooh]

That statute is part of the jury instructions which were read by the judge, as it is any case. They just don't send a jury back to deliberate without instructing them on the law.

People are making all sorts of assumptions about the case and the jury without being fully informed. It's one thing to watch a trial on tv, its another to be sworn in as a jury member to uphold the law and decide whether a defendant should live or die.

It's not American Idol where the tv audience gets to vote...

It isn't American Idol...but by the jurors who have spoken so far as to how they reached their verdict, it is clear by their very own words that they did not follow insructions or law in some aspect of their decision.

Based on your response, you did the same thing. This simply was the guilt phase and NOT the penalty phase. The door was WIDE open with sentencing possibilities and they slammed it shut because they could only focus on one.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Here is the jury instruction for ag child abuse in Florida. How does not her not reporting her missing fall under this?

16.1 AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(2), Fla.Stat.

This is the one that they should've come back guilty on

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

Or

The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.


I will now define "culpable negligence" for you. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life, or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard of the safety and welfare of the public, or such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights. The negligent act or omission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known, or reasonably should have known, was likely to cause death or great bodily injury.


If you find the defendant guilty of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, you must then determine whether the State has further proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee Marie Anthony was a child whose death was caused by the neglect of Casey Marie Anthony, a caregiver. “Child” means any person under the age of 18 years.


“Caregiver” means a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare.


“Neglect of a child” means:

1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain a child’s physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child. Repeated conduct or a single incident or omission by a caregiver that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, a substantial risk of death of a child may be considered in determining neglect.


I get not coming back with Murder 1 but to say she wasn't guilty of anything above is beyond me.

 

[reelmom]

My heart has been so sad since Tuesday and I can't seem to get Caylee off my mind. I keep thinking about her and how it is not fair that her voice has not been heard. I wasn't going to watch the sentencing because everytime I watch the news, I get mad. I have it turned on and I need you all to help me get through it.

 

[Kurby]

mason is a bone head - he goes on some show a couple of years ago as one of those talking heads who don't know whats going on and says KC will prob get life then has the balls to say what he did 2 days ago against the "talking heads"


gimme a break

 

[reelmom]

Kurby~
How is Nicole doing? I wasn't on here yesterday so I didn't know if you updated.

 

[walden]

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Orange Co. Deputies & OPD have riot gear on hand "just in case" near the courthouse. #caseyanthonyby cfnews13casey via twitter 7:41 AM

 

[U2_rocks!]

This is the one that they should've come back guilty on

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

Or

The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.


I will now define "culpable negligence" for you. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life, or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard of the safety and welfare of the public, or such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights. The negligent act or omission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known, or reasonably should have known, was likely to cause death or great bodily injury.


If you find the defendant guilty of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, you must then determine whether the State has further proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee Marie Anthony was a child whose death was caused by the neglect of Casey Marie Anthony, a caregiver. “Child” means any person under the age of 18 years.


“Caregiver” means a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare.


“Neglect of a child” means:

1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain a child’s physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child. Repeated conduct or a single incident or omission by a caregiver that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, a substantial risk of death of a child may be considered in determining neglect.


I get not coming back with Murder 1 but to say she wasn't guilty of anything above is beyond me.

I don't disagree ..... but if manner and cause of death were unknown, and there still remained a reasonable possibility that Caylee's death was accidental or caused by someone other than Casey (despite the cover-up of her death that followed), then what choice did the jury have but to vote not guilty, even to the lesser charges?

 

[Dax]

Orange Co. Deputies & OPD have riot gear on hand "just in case" near the courthouse. #caseyanthonyby cfnews13casey via twitter 7:41 AM

Sad state that they need to do this.....Hopefully people can be adults.

 

[Kurby]

Kurby~
How is Nicole doing? I wasn't on here yesterday so I didn't know if you updated.

i wasn't on yesterday either - what a day - dh went to pick up Cassie at camp and the car died - they were 45 min away and of course it was the 1 day where every car in the family was gone. my parents was stalling and was in being looked at, my younger brother had dh's car downtown, older brother was at work with his car and mine was with dh and dead.

had to wait for my aunt to come home and lend us hers then head up to figure out what was wrong. 2 hours later CAA came and we found out it was a loose connection to the battery so we had to get that fixed

quick dinner and off we go to see Nikki.

when we get there there is a dr in front of the incubator so we're standing there waiting when the nurse comes over and tells us she was moved to the room behind us and is now in a crib. woo hoo.

she's off the oxygen but still on the cpac machine but is breathing just normal air.

11 days old and i'm counting but still no word on when she can come home

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Same here. Never would have voted for the DP.

And yeah, anyone that thinks the only evidence was party pics and a tattoo must have gotten their trial news from Geraldo.

Seriously!

I'm pro-death penalty and would not have voted death in this case. I think death should be reserved for the likes of Timothy McVeigh and other mass murderers.

Look at the first post at all the links and see for yourself...it lists all the evidence and then some.

The First Post is reserved for people who really want information.

We've spent 6 weeks discussing this over 5 threads. If you need it in a paragraph I'm sorry, go back over the posts.

Mare, you are my hero!!

Unreal.

I am not telling anyone how to feel anything.

It's funny because someone on another thread was talking about those boys on the Duke Lacrosse Team... EVERYONE thought they raped that girl, they were all guilty and whoops.....nope they weren't. I know that was a different case but everyone again before the trail even came to pass said they were all guilty and their lives were over.

No, you didn't tell people HOW to feel. You told people how they DID feel. And there you go again! EVERYONE didn't think the Lacrosse Team raped the girl. I didn't. So again...don't tell me how I feel. Certainly, express your feelings...have at it. It's your delivery.

ETA: The only way a jury would EVER have 100% proof is if they were convened in a courtroom and the crime took place right in front of their faces.

Well, certainly this jury. The "funny" thing is...most people try not to murder their innocent children in front of other people.

Im sorry this will be a long post, and for any misspelling as to I was typing fast.
After hearing less that one minute of Juror #3 I knew these ppl are ridiculously beyond stupid... yes I said it.

Terry morgan: first vote 10:2 for not guilty of 1st degree murder
Terry morgan: Why, why did you and the other jurors equit ca of murdering her daughter

Juror #3: um there wasn’t enough evidence, there wasn’t anything strong enough to say exactly ,I don’t think anyone in America that can tell us exactly how she died, if you put even just the 12 jurors in one room together with a piece of paper and write down how caylee died nobody knows, we’d all be guessing . We have no idea.

So its cause of death that was a problem?

How can u punish someone for something if you don’t know what they did?
The prosecution wasn’t able to give you a solid enough picture of how caylee died?

Have you seen that picture?

I have no idea, they didn’t even paint a picture for me to consider

You think this might have been an accident that she might have drowned in a pool? You believe the defense on that?

I’m not saying that, im saying it’s a lot easier to get to that conclusion, i can to walk from here to there and make it happen but with the chloroform Im all over the place, I have no idea im at, im in a maze, I don’t know where im at. I don’t know where the end is. Im not even quite sure where I began with the chloraform so I cant get from beginning to end, a to b b to see what even happened. I cant make it work.

When you all went to deliberate this case were you unanimous from the start?

No, Oh no,

Really

No im mean, I don’t want to speak for everyone else, but there were a lot of conflicting ideas, and some ppl were like u know I feel like she did, but theres just not enough to substantiate, some ppl were just like nope she didn’t do it, like they have nothing , they have nothing for them to have any idea what happened, I did hear someone say we’re from panellas county(sp?) so we don’t have an emotion in it. Whatever, that just means we don’t have that bias, we’re just looking at the facts. And When you don’t have that emotional connection they don’t prove anything, like im still confused, I have no idea what happened to that child

There are ppl that say you only deliberated for 10-11 hours, and that shows that you weren’t serious

Oh

That you didn’t really look at the evidence,

That’s speculation and you know speculation is not fact, we had a lot of discussions, we started to look through stuff, but none of it, how did she die, if your going to charge someone with murder don’t you have to know how they killed someone or why they killed someone? Or have something how when why how? Those are important questions, they were not answered.

That gets to Casey those 31 days, that she does not report the death or dissappearence of her daughter. And she parties.

Right…
And ppl say that is evidence that she is a killer.

It looks very bad, but bad behavior is not enough to prove a crime

What did it tell you

If u consider the whole family, um they didn’t really live in reality, they wanted everyone to be happy, everything to be fine. She’s in jail, and even in the jail videos she came up smiling and she looked happy, she’s in jail… do you think that’s how she really feels? Im guessing not.

Did you believe the def. the accusations of her father/brother, molestation???

I have nothing to substantiate that, so no if you don’t prove it , its not a factor.

What did you make of ga testimony

He did not help states case,

Why

He was clearly dishonest he was invasive number 1, his story seemed to change depending on who was, like they said he was clearly on the defensive side, he would fight with Mr. ashton and not give straight answers, but then would switch to the prosecution side and now he would not give the defense straight answers, he would be like what do you mean, and can you answer the question again, clearly you can follow a logical conversation and respond, like he acted like he couldn’t understand what was going on, it was clear to me that he was just being dif. If it didn’t help pros. Case then he would say I don’t recall.

Do you think GA had something to do with what happened to Caylee?

I don’t know if he had anything to do with it but I think he was there. Him and Caysee have something, like the jail vid. Again, Her mom has all the ?’s and he sits back and pats his wife back and says do you have anything else to tell me? Hes not like ? going on, like a step-dad, hands are clean, not too close.

Lemme get back to Casey, cause she’s been the focus of all this attention

Right, cause that’s her daughter

CA lies, and lies again, then lives the high life while her daughter is dead. Ppl say that is evidence that she is capable of killing her child

Even if that is ev. That she is capable. It doesn’t show that she did do it, do I think she is completely innocent? I mean, I have no, I don’t have the evidence to say one way or another. Im not going to accuse her of killing, I have no idea. But we’ll just say something happened, at some point she probably needed medical care, or at least there could be some attempt to save a childs life. That was never made. That bothered me.

If it was an acc. In the pool , how did the child end up in a swamp months later?

You deny it, you get rid of it. You don’t look at it, don’t think of it, it doesn’t exist, its gone

Your covering up for murder, that’s what the prosecution said

Your covering up something, its not proven it’s a murder, either an accident nobody knows what it is

Im gonna press you on this

Go for it

Duct tape on a baby, in a bag, rotting in the woods, most ppl put 2 and 2 together and say that’s a murder

In our country unfortunately we have to prove it, u cant just be it looks bad, it smells bad it , I get that, but its someone elses life, and if Im wrong and I kill someone elses, I cant live with that.

When ur in court as a juror… do u think Ca might have killed her daughter

I have a feeling she may have had something to do with it, but I cant speculate.

I had enough at this point when she couldn’t pronounce culpable or even explain what it meant when it was in the jurors instructions as a definition.

Well, that was nauseating to read first thing in the morning. LOL Thanks for all that work! I saw her interviewed this morning. Oh boy. Didn't come off as the brightest bulb, IMHO. And I remember thinking that during voir dire. I remember her voice, and her giddy desire to be on the jury. Ugh.

Anyway...re: the bolded above. Recently, before the verdict, a commentator was saying that this jury weren't from the community and weren't invested in the case. Not about whether or not they had heard anything about the case. It's just that they don't have the same feelings about the case not being from the community.

On a serious side note a member of our party had an incident in Orlando ten days ago in the middle of the day with no warning, I think it will be quite a long time before we go back. It could have been far worse and I was just really glad it wasn't.

I'm so sorry!! How scary is that?

They had a horrible job to do and they did it, the fact that the howling mob doesn't like their choice is meaningless that was the decision they made for good or ill. Going after them will just make it more hard to get any jury for the next high profile case if they know that if the mobs choice is not the one they agree with. Leave them to get on with their lives.

Everyone "gets it" that the decision is made. By "going after them", do you mean expressing opinions on a discussion board? The "howling mob" here isn't NOT leaving them to get on with their lives; if they wanted to get on with their lives, they wouldn't be selling their interviews to the highest bidder. Just sayin'.

I started multi-quoting but it was just too much.

I know, huh? LOL

It isn't American Idol...but by the jurors who have spoken so far as to how they reached their verdict, it is clear by their very own words that they did not follow insructions or law in some aspect of their decision.

Here's the thing. I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she did it. Does it matter that I believe that? It matters to me, and it matters to the like-minded people on this thread. Does it matter as far as Casey's verdict? Of course not. I hope she doesn't make money off of the murder of her child. I hope she doesn't become a "celebrity". I hope no one kills her. I hope she doesn't have anymore children (altho I believe she will, ASAP). That's how I feel. What actually happens is out of my control, so...whatever.

Hearing what the jurors have to say is very disheartening; makes me lose faith in our jury system. I haven't heard a well-spoken coherent juror yet, so maybe I just don't "get it" yet about their verdict.

If anyone acts violently towards Casey, they should be prosecuted (or persecuted as a woman on the streets of Orlando said..."the persecutors didn't prove their case". Gotcha! ).

 

[SueM in MN]

Edited to add - I agree with you.

This is the one that they should've come back guilty on

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

Or

The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.


I will now define "culpable negligence" for you. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life, or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard of the safety and welfare of the public, or such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights. The negligent act or omission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known, or reasonably should have known, was likely to cause death or great bodily injury.


If you find the defendant guilty of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, you must then determine whether the State has further proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee Marie Anthony was a child whose death was caused by the neglect of Casey Marie Anthony, a caregiver. “Child” means any person under the age of 18 years.


“Caregiver” means a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare.


“Neglect of a child” means:

1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain a child’s physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child. Repeated conduct or a single incident or omission by a caregiver that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, a substantial risk of death of a child may be considered in determining neglect.


I get not coming back with Murder 1 but to say she wasn't guilty of anything above is beyond me.

I think that jury instructions need to be written at an easier reading level. I am in a medical field and our written instructions for patients need to be written at a 6th grade reading level and avoid medical terms that are not defined. Many people can't read fluently above that level and lots of unfamiliar terms and stress make it more difficult to understand what is heard or read.
If people don't understand something, they tend to ignore it. I think some of the comments of the jurors who are speaking up have shown they did not understand the instructions or the possible things they could find her guilty of.

 

[reelmom]

So glad that Nicole has been moved to a new room and in a crib! Fantastic news. Prayers are being answered.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't disagree ..... but if manner and cause of death were unknown, and there still remained a reasonable possibility that Caylee's death was accidental or caused by someone other than Casey (despite the cover-up of her death that followed), then what choice did the jury have but to vote not guilty, even to the lesser charges?

Caylee's cause of death will always be homicide as per her death certificate.

Any child could reasonably die via drowning. It does not mean that, given the weight of evidence, that it was a reasonable cause of death of that particular child.

Accidental drowning victims are not tossed out in the woods. It is not reasonable this child died that way.

 

[reelmom]

George and Cindy are in the courtroom. Seeing Cindy smiling makes me sick.

 

[happygirl]

Dumb question does the judge give the sentence or the jury, I really hope Judge Perry comes down as hard as he can on her today.

 

[reelmom]

I see that Baez still hasn't made it to court.

 

[Kurby]

Dumb question does the judge give the sentence or the jury, I really hope Judge Perry comes down as hard as he can on her today.

the judge does in this case - only if dp was still on the table would the jury get involved

 

[Kurby]

who is this IDIOT who's THRILLED she's off

 

[Kurby]

must be the one who ask her to marry him when she was in jail.