CARNIVAL VS DCL: The comparison thread!!!

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  1. cruiser21

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    These surveys are new.
    They asked a number of questions. You answered Carnival better/Disney better or the same. I answered pretty much the same as I've stated on these boards. I think DCL excels with kids, teens and Entertainment. Service is the same. Food is worse on Disney. It's not that I don't like the food on Disney. It's just very repetitive and there are not enough options. The menus, trivia questions and entertainment options never change on DCL. I haven't cruised other cruiselines enough to know if this is normal.
    The Sept 4 Alaska cruise never went up in price from opening day. I booked it in May with an OBB. I never saw GT or MTO rates offered. I will say there was a large number of people on the cruise from the Orlando area. Cast Members? I don't know. Many of them were worried about getting home. We disembarked the day after Irma hit.
    I don't see the number of GT rates I saw I few years ago. I'm not a person that books months in advance. I always relied on those rates. I've noticed the the European cruise prices are rising pretty quickly where the last couple of years they did not. The economy is good right now, but Disney seems to always get hit pretty hard when there's a down turn. I remember the great deals we got after the housing crash.
     
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  2. we"reofftoneverland

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    I suspect the large amount of people you saw from orlando were mostly cast members. I have also noticed that they do not seem to be offering many gt rates. I suspect that is because they are trying to keep the public's prices inflated. They do not want the public to know about their price weakness. To the public it looks like the ships are full and prices are high, so people who desperately want to go on a disney cruise will pay their outrageous price. But last year they opened the christmas cruise (over christmas day) out of Galveston to interline rates and yet never did a texas resident or other public discount. (They never do tx resident discounts anyway). The christmas cruises are supposed to be very popular and yet they could not sell enough at their inflated price. Their business model stops working when more and more people on the ship are paying the heavily discounted rates. Then there are not enough people paying the inflated price to get the profit they want. I think they are starting to run into this some.

    They are offering heavily discounted rates--just not to the public. If you have a friend who works in the travel industry they can tell you when interline rates are offered. I suspect the CM rates come up with the interline rates.

    This is a very different business model than other cruise lines. Other cruise lines let the market play out much more and allow the public to benefit from discounts much more openly.
     
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  4. cruiser21

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    When I was sitting by the travel desk. A number of people booked place holders for 2019. The people that did book really didn't seem that concerned about the price. They also made comments about how they heard Disney was the best... although I don't think they had any first hand experience sailing with anyone else. I didn't get the feeling that these were people that cruise a lot. Cost seemed to be a non factor to them...obviously they are in the higher income bracket. I'm sure DCL loves these people that cruise every 2 or 3 years, and spend massive amounts of money. Then there's the people like me who cruise 2 or 3 times a year and spend 50 dollars over my OBC on board. I'm sure Disney appreciates my business, but there are people who spend more in the gift shops on board then I would spend on a whole cruise. Disney's gotta love those peeps. That's Disney's bread and butter. I don't think Disney cares if the average middle class family can afford them. I'm a capitalist so that doesn't bother me in the least.
    I know a lot of people that used to be able to afford DCL have been outpriced. I'm not there yet, but I'm sure I will be someday. I'm at the top of my salary for my field. If prices continue to climb at this rate I won't be able to keep up.
     
  5. we"reofftoneverland

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    You are right that there are plenty of people willing to pay dcl prices-- but how many? How many on your cruise were actually getting OBB? On our last fantasy cruise the OBB desk was only open two nights and it seemed crowded, but when someone asked how many were waiting on the list the cast member said something in the mid 30s. It was taking forever because each person was talking for about 20 min making their booking so it made them look more busy than they were. I checked back a couple of hours later and the same people were sitting there. I decided to go the next night instead and the crowd was about the same. There was a box for people to put in the basic obb request, but it wasn't that full. Lets act like it was a lot more busy and say at most 500 people on a ship with 3000 (not sure of number?) got an OBB. Not that high of a percentage. And then there are the people like us who a week after the cruise looked over our vacation plans for the next 2 years and realized we were not going to use the OBB within the next two years-- and that we also were not going to use the one we already had before the cruise that expired in a year. Both 2 rooms, so we actually cancelled four OBBs!

    Anyway, it is interesting that you received that survey, because to me it shows they are feeling an impact. Whether it is people, as you said, "priced out," or just people who don't like overpaying, they are loosing some full or full with OBB paying people. At this point I just think it is an interesting business case study because I don't see us going back to dcl. Never say never, right? But we have been surprised to find that we enjoy other lines more-- and bonus, they are less expensive!

    Just wanted to add... that for example, for last Christmas, they could not get 2000 people in Texas, a state with a lot of well-off people, and a lot of children, (never mind neighboring states) to pay their going inflated rate for a Christmas day cruise and that they opened it to interline rates. Speaks volumes.
     
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    Although not the exact menus from the Sunshine, this site should give you a good idea:
    http://www.zydecocruiser.net/menus/CarnivalCruiseLineMenus.htm

    The BBQ would be at the Taste Bar on Deck 5 on day 1 - when you board there are people wearing red shirts saying "Ask Me" and you can confirm with them. In May when we sailed the Sunshine out of Charleston, there were signs in the boarding area; I haven't heard if they put them in the New York port though.
     
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    CARNIVAL VICTORY VS DISNEY WONDER

    PICTURES OF THE CARNIVAL VICTORY FROM 2016: page 2 and 3 of this thread.

    ***Please take note that Carnival Victory had her cabins updated in 2016 and is scheduled for a dry dock in January 2018!!!!***

    Carnival Victory cruise: October 2016.
    Disney Wonder cruise: April 2017


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    THE WEBSITE

    As I am currently booked on another Carnival cruise, I still find the the Carnival website to be a little bit more user friendly than DCL's website.


    THE BOOKING/THE PRICES

    For the Disney Wonder, we have paid 722$/pp for an interior room for a 3 nights cruise, making it 240 $/per night, per person.

    For the Carnival Victory, we originally we have paid 322$/pp for an interior room for a 4 nights cruise (we ended up upgrading to a balcony later), making it 80$/per night, per person.


    THE BOARDING (embarkation)

    We used the shuttle from Disney’s Caribbean Beach resort, which picked us up around 11:30… Unfortunately, the shuttle had mechanical problem and had to change bus half-way to Port Canaveral. We lost about an hour and arrived around 2 PM at the cruise terminal. No wait at all.

    We used a shuttle provided by Carnival (Mears), it did not have bells and whistle of a DCL shuttle but was comfortable and efficient. When we checked-in at the port, there was a lot of people but the terminal was very wide and there was very little wait even though the lines seemed to be long. Once we had to wait to embark (group 8), we sat in the waiting room for less than 5 minutes and there were a lot of seats available.


    THE CABIN

    With DCL (Dream) we booked an 11 A on deck 6. We did not have a split bathroom. Cabins all have a mini-fridge and a safe. Very pretty and comfortable cabin. Most of the room was clean with the exception of the bathroom which could have used a better cleaning. We also found that the bathroom needed a little more TLC.

    With Carnival, as previously mentioned, we went for a 8D (with a verandah) on Deck 8 so we cannot really compare with an inside room on the Victory. At the time we had a safe but there was NO mini-fridge on the Victory (you need to order ice buckets). Please take note that the staterooms were refurbished 2016. They replaced carpets (going from red to blue), replacedold tv's with flat screens and remodeled the bathrooms (from old pink to white and blue).They now have mini-fridges.

    We have found the room on the Victory to be very clean and practical. Everything worked perfectly.

    Since we have to pick a winner DCL wins (for now), because they have a very small bath when the Victory only have showers. Also, we have found the DCL bed to be more comfortable and the soundproofing to be a bit better.

    But... the Victory could make it a tie after the refurbishments are done.


    ITINERARY

    With the Disney Wonder, we went to Castaway Cay. On Nassau day, we had to participate to researched for a man who had fallen from another cruiseship and ended up with a sea day.

    With Carnival, because of hurricane Matthew and because Freeport and Nassau sustained a lot of damages, we did not go to Freeport and had an overnight in Nassau instead (on the first day, there was no excursions offered) and finished with a sea day.

    An alternative itinerary can bring you to Half Moon Cay (private Carnival island, à la Castaway Cay) instead of Freeport which would have been soooo much more interesting in my eyes... Unfortunately it did not fit our vacation dates. [​IMG]


    TRANSPORTATION

    Both cruiselines were asking 36$/pp per ride.

    DCL usually has a nice driver and shows a video (with characters) on each way.

    Mears is doing the transportation, the driver was just as entertaining as the DCL one and the bus comfortable as well.

    DCL would usually win because of the videos who'll make the ride appear shorter (when you don’t have mechanical problems) but if I went with the service and comfort, it would be a tie…


    EXCURSIONS

    With DCL, you have to wait until a certain date you are assigned (depending on your Castaway Club status, from 90 days to 120 days in advance) in order to book excursions. We chose not to do excursions on this cruise.

    With Carnival, all I know is that I paid in full the same day that I booked my cruise and I have been able to book excursions right away (6 months before the trip).

    Side note: I have a cruise booked more than a year in advance with RCCL and I can already book excursions.


    What I like about Carnival is that they sometimes offer deals when you book a "bundle". For example, at the moment of the booking, there was a 20% off deal if we booked one excursion for each port of call (However a few weeks later, we decided to cancel one of them to stay on the ship/in the cruiseport terminal in Freeport.)

    I don't remember that ever happening with Disney. I also found that Carnival had much more choices of excursions than Disney.


    For our October Carnival cruise, we decided to book Blue Lagoon (lunch included) for Nassau Day.

    The Blue Lagoon excursion with Carnival cost us 75$/pp.

    The Blue Lagoon excursion with DCL would have cost us 72$/pp.


    Our second favorite alternative was a Beach Day at Atlantis at 99$/pp with Carnival. The same Beach Day at Atlantis excursion with DCL would cost us 105$/pp.


    With Carnival, you have to prepay the excursions right away. With DCL, you only pay at the end of the cruise.

    I have to admit that I prefer the pre-pay option because I am not a fan of huge credit card bills after a vacation.


    RESTAURANT RESERVATIONS (for Specialty Dining)

    On the Disney Wonder: After your Check-in date, you can book specialty (18+) restaurants like Palo (30$/pp). In the past, we have tried Palo for brunch (great!) and dinner (loved it!). We did it again on the Wonder and we are very satisfied.

    With Carnival: Unlike many other Carnival cruiseships (those updated with Funship 2.0 for which I hear amazing reviews), the Carnival Victory didn't have any specialty restaurants. Instead, they offered a special steakhouse menu (for an extra fee) that you can order in the Dining Rooms.

    They also offered The Chef's table (for 75$/pp), which is pretty much an like excursion. They select a group of 14 only. They start with appetizers and cocktails, you visit the galley and finish with a signature dinner.

    While DH and I are huge fans of Palo & Remy, we decided to forego The Chef's Table with Carnival. (We have booked it for a cruise next year though. I might edit this part when I try it).

    There is also a special breakfast Dr. Seuss theme called, Green Eggs and Ham Breakfast with special decorations, special menu and characters but we have not tried it yet. (Just 5$/pp)

    I haven't tried specialty dining with Carnival therefore, I cannot tell which one is best.

    ***PLEASE TAKE NOT THAT THE VICTORY IS GOING INTO DRY DOCK IN JANUARY 2018 AND IS SCHEDULE TO HAVE A LOT OF UPGRADES REGARDING TO DINING - TBD***



    THE DINING ROOMS


    All DCL cruiseships have three dining rooms and you are subjected to a rotation. They have two options: Main seating (between 5:45 PM to 6:15) or Second seating (between 8:00 PM and 8:30 PM).

    On the Disney Wonder, we really enjoyed dinner in most of the MDR, but it’s in the Tiana’s Place that we enjoyed the ambiance the most, and we have found that the best food was at Triton’s. We preferred the Wonder version of Animator's Palate more than the one on the Dream and the food was better than on our first cruise on the Dream.


    On the Carnival Victory, they have two very similar dining rooms (Atlantic and Pacific dining rooms) and three seating options: Early Dining (6:00 PM), Late Dining (8:15 PM) and Your Time (anytime you want between 5:45 and 9:30). Only one of the two dining rooms is used for those who picked Your Time: the Atlantic dining room. Both dining rooms have windows.
    Overall, while the ambiance is more low key than on DCL, my husband and I found the food in the Carnival dining rooms to be of better quality than the food in the DCL dining room.

    While DH liked the decor of Atlantic/pacific room with Carnival better, I like the look of Royal Palace and Tiana’s Place a little bit more.


    CAST MEMBERS/STAFF

    Is good service exclusive to Disney Cruise Line?

    My answer is... NO.

    As a matter of fact, while we have had a great experience on the Disney Wonder with Joseph and Jack in the MDR and the waitress in Palo (I feel bad because I forgot her name)… We have found the staff and crew on the Carnival Victory to be more helpful and they treated us like royalty.

    Carnival wins but DCL gets an honorable mention.


    THE RESTAURANTS/COUNTERS

    On the Disney Wonder, you will find a buffet named Cabanas. We loved the food they serve over there. There is a lot of choices. There are also different food counters that will serve pizza, burgers and fries (not that good) and sandwiches (you have to try the Tomato, Brie and Bacon one, it's amazing!), salads and fruits. Both are near the main pool and there is a self-serve ice cream station just passed the pool.

    On the Carnival Victory, the buffet is called the Lido. Around the Lido you will find many counters like Pizza Pirate (pizza 24/7), Chopsticks (Chinese Food), Carnival Deli (sandwiches), Comfort Kitchen (hot dogs, mac'n'cheese, meatloaf, apple pie...), Off The Grill (pool bbq offering burgers, cole slaw and potato salad) and Swirls (self-serve ice AND frozen yogourt).

    Carnival also have The Taste Bar, who serves appetizers.

    Overall, while my husband and I consider that it is a tie between the Lido and Cabanas, but we have found the food in the counters (chinese food and pizza) on the Carnival Victory to be absolutely outstanding!

    So when it comes to included food, Carnival Victory wins.



    CAFÉS

    On the DisneyWonder, there is the Quiet Cove Cafe, for adults only, who serves gourmet coffee, a nice selection of tea and some small desserts. With the exception of desserts, there is a fee for the gourmet coffee and tea. At the Vista Cafe, the kids are allowed. While there is a fee for coffee and tea (I don’t remember the prices, sorry), the pastries are included.

    On the Carnival Victory, there is the Coral Sea Cafe where you can find gourmet coffee and tea and different desserts, snacks, ice cream and gelatos. There is a fee for all those products but it's less expensive than what you'd pay on land. I'm told that coffee goes from $1.95 to $5.95 and desserts goes from 1.25$ to 3.95$

    Between DCL and The Carnival Victory, it's a tie.


    SHOPS

    I could not give much informations about shops because I am not a shopper... But we have found the souvenirs to be much more affordable on Carnival, because you don't have the mouse on it. [​IMG] Also, there is a huge sale at the end of the cruise where everything is even more affordable.

    Also, Carnival sells Tortuga Rum Cakes while in the Bahamas. DCL doesn't. [​IMG]


    BARS

    Disney Wonder has 5 bars: Crown & Fin (English pub), Cadillac Lounge (piano bar), Azure (club), Promenade Lounge (bistro), Signals (pool bar). We’ve visited the Cadillac Lounge & Crown & Fin. They were both empty but the ambiance at Cadillac Lounge was very discrete and warm.

    Carnival Victory has at least 11 bars: Seventh Sea Bar, Ionian Room, Skybox Sports Bar, Trident Bar (Casino Bar), Club Arctic, Alchemy Bar, Irish Sea Bar, Black & Red Seas Bar, Adriatic Lounge (which is also the Punchliner Comedy Club) and there is also two pool bars: Triton's Pool Bar, and Sirens' Pool Bar.

    I am not a big fan of bars but for the use I made of each, it's a tie.


    POOLS

    On the DisneyWonder, there are two pools on the Main Deck: The Mickey pool and The Goofy Pool. There is also two small jacuzzis. Those pools and jacuzzis tend to be overcrowded at all times. There is one small slide for the children and The Aqualab (splash zone) There is another pool in the adult section but I will talk about it in the Adult Only Section.


    On the Carnival Victory, you will find two pools. The main pool is called Triton's pool (with a huge water slide). There is a quiet pool (aft) called The Sirens Pool (it is adults only). They look really old and the hot tubs are luke warm.

    EDIT: Take note that as of now, The Sirens Pool (aft) that used to be adult only is now kid-friendly. Carnival announced that they eliminated Adult only pools on seven of their ships:


    • Carnival Conquest
    • Carnival Glory
    • Carnival Valor
    • Carnival Liberty
    • Carnival Freedom
    • Carnival Splendor
    • Carnival Victory

    DCL's pools are generally in a better shape and their design is more interesting... But they are also always filled up with people.

    The Victory pools could use a little TLC. They were empty most of the time. I believe that it is because adults have more sources of entertainment with Carnival.

    DCL wins for the pools, except for the Adult one.


    ADULT ONLY SECTION

    On the Disney Wonder, there is a great adult section called the Quiet Cove with a medium pool, two small Jacuzzis and one bar. The space itself is great, filled with lounging chairs and sofas. There is a lot of shade over there. There are huge windows (going from the floor to the ceiling) who will provide you the best views on both side of the cruiseship. BUT to my surprise, even though the ship had been through dry dock a few months before, the Quiet Cove was not redone and in was in a pretty bad shape to be honest. Some of the tiles around the pool were about to fall off and the wood around it had parts that were moldy and “swollen”. It reminded me a lot of the pools on the Carnival Victory.

    On the Carnival Victory, the adult section is called Serenity Deck. No pool on that deck but two medium jacuzzis. From what I understand, while there is a lot of seats and loungers, most of them are under the sun. On the Victory, the Serenity Deck is also on two decks (12 and 14). The fact that the entrance for the waterslide being on the 14 deck, kids might have to walk into the adult section in order to get to the water slide. They can also enter the section to go to the pizza booth.

    There is a pool at the opposite side from the Serenity Deck called "The Sirens Pool" that used to be 18+ (or 16+?) ... Very italian in the look and in pretty good shape! It was very quiet and had more shade, had a self-serve ice cream section and a Pour your own beer Red Frog booth. It was also right in front of the Pizza booth. DH and I spent most of our time there.

    It's a tie!


    THEATERS AND SHOWS

    On the Disney Wonder, there is the Buena Vista Theater where you can watch movies (some of them 3D). There is pop corn and drinks available right outside the theater for a fee but the price is nowhere near the prices you'd pay for snacks and drink on land. I think we paid 5$ for a bucket of pop corn and 1 big soda.

    The Walt Disney Theater is where you'll find shows. When we were there we have seen The Golden Mickeys (Liked it less than the first time, unfortunately!) and Dreams (Meh) and Frozen (Fantastic!). Those are family friendly.

    On the Carnival Victory, the Carribean Main Lounge is where you can see the shows. We have only saw one show (Vrooom) and were impressed by the performance of the singers and the budget of the show. We had a really good time.

    Also, the Adriatic Lounge (a bar) is used to present comedy shows. We loved it and attended those shows every night.

    While the type of shows are really different, my husband prefered the rock'n'roll review over the Disney shows and he would be ready to skip all of them if we ever sail with Disney again. I have a soft spot for Disney so I appreciated the DCL shows but I had such a good time at Vrooom and the comedy shows that I can’t say that it is not as good as DCL.

    I’ll give it a tie, because they are good on both cruise lines and so different.

    MOVIES

    The movie theater on the Disney Wonder. You’ll have to pay for your pop corn and pop. The prices are a bit more affordable (5$ for a regular pop corn and a soda).

    There is no movie theater on the Carnival Victory: they use the big screen near the main pool to present what they call "Dive-In Movies" so you can watch movies in the pool or comfortably installed on one of the lounging chairs. The pop corn is FREE. :O

    The two experiences are too different, I can't pick a winner. It's a tie.


    MINI-GOLF

    There is no Mini-Golf on the Disney Wonder. We missed it.

    On the Victory, there is a mini-golf. We liked it a lot.

    Carnival wins.


    ELEVATORS

    I have to talk about it. The elevators on the Disney Wonder were so small and felt so cramped...

    Carnival Victory definitely wins this one.


    ON BOARD CREDIT

    You can add on board credit online with Carnival. You buy it as "Cruise Cash" or "Cruise Cash Bar" (for drinks you'll buy at a bar) or "Cruise Cash Photo" (that you can use to buy pictures taken aboard) and you receive a confirmation by e-mail right away. You have to use it all because there are no refunds (some people told me they’ve been able to get it when they asked before the end of the cruise, I have never tried it, though).

    With DCL, you have to call or fax them... And you cannot confirm that the credit has been applied unless you call them or receive your coupon in the room on embarkation day.

    Carnival wins this one!


    GIFTS

    With DCL, you have to order my phone or by fax. I’ve never received any receipts from them, the only way I could make sure the payment was passed was by looking at my credit card statement or call them.

    With Carnival, you can order your gifts online. You receive a confirmation number by e-mail for your purchase.

    Carnival in-room decorations packages are a little more affordable than DCL’s. There are various options with Carnival. EDIT: Carnival upgraded their decoration packages. They are now starting at 40$ but they added decorative towels to most packages that you can bring home. The DCL decorative packages start at 45$.

    Also, there are so much more choices of gifts and with the exception of flowers (which have very similar prices) there is a lot of affordable choices.


    Example:

    With DCL, for 152$ before taxes, I had a 8 inches cake –which looked cute but tasted pretty bad, by the way–, 2 bottles of cheap wine (no glasses) and a small floral arrangement.

    With Carnival, for 117$ before taxes, I managed to order a bag of games (toys, books and a game), a bag for the beach (filled with toys for the beach and 1 towel), a Cat-in-the-hat towel, a package of decorations for the room, a big box of candy, a 6 inches cake & a package containing a bottle of cheap wine with 2 glasses and a box of chocolates.

    We liked our Carnival cake more than our DCL cake. And the decorations were cute.

    Carnival wins this one.


    EARLY CHECK-IN

    While you can complete your early check-in on DCL’s website 90 to 120 days in advance with DCL, I remember being able to do my early check-in right away (six months in advance) with Carnival.

    With DCL, you will receive a (super cute!) booklet with all the details from your trip with luggage tags prior to the cruise. A few days before the cruise, you will receive a health survey that you have to fill up before you check-in.

    With Carnival, you print all your documents. Those documents contain the health survey and the luggage tags (You print them too!).


    I'll give this one to DCL because I find it more "official" and cuter!


    FIRE DRILL

    I have to admit that I used to prefer DCL's fire drill because it was happening inside when we were on the Dream but on the Wonder, it was happening outside.

    Carnival was doing theirs outside too.

    But a fire drill is a fire drill (aka boring). It’s a tie.


    FINANCIAL GESTION

    DCL sends you a bill on the last night of the cruise. I am not sure if you can access it on your tv.

    Carnival had automated machines where you can review and print your account anytime you want. (I am told than on other newer ships, you can get it on the TV now).

    Carnival wins for this one.


    INTERNET

    Unlike DCL who gives you 50 MB for free and Connect-at-Sea packages you can buy. I hate it because I never seem to be able to make it work and the only time I’ve bought some datas, I lost them after sending a single e-mail.

    Carnival offers you different packages including a very affordable (5$/day) Social Media plan on which you can get your messages and post on different social medias like FB, instagram, etc. They also have a few computer you can use. We have found the wifi a bit spotty but the computers were working well.


    DISEMBARKATION

    With DCL, you will be assigned to a restaurant in the morning. If you usually have Early Seating, your breakfast will be served first, and then you'll be invited to disembark. You will receive a luggage tag that will indicate in which section to pick-up your luggage the next day. They are named after characters and colors.

    With Carnival, the disembarkation time will depend on the deck you are staying at. You will receive a notice on the last night inviting you to disembark at a certain time. Your number will be called. There are designed areas where you can wait.


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    Official winner out of the two? (Not by much...) Carnival Victory!

    p.s. I can't wait to see what the dry dock is gonna bring to her in 2018.
     
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  8. RedSox68

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    Maybe this particular one is new, but I've read comments on these boards for years about various surveys people got from DCL about ports, likes and dislikes, etc. I have never received any of them :confused3
     
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  9. cruiser21

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    The market will works itself out. If they this pricing structure doesn't work for them they'll change. It must be working for them though. I've never been on a cruise that wasn't sold out. I'm sure dcls discounted rates are still higher then Carnival or Royals regular rates. Disneys going to charge what people are willing to pay. I'm at a point where I don't care anymore. They can charge whatever they want if Im not comfortable with the price I'll sail with someone else. I have one cruise booked next year the WBTA. I haven't decided what else I want to do next year.
     
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  10. cruiser21

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    I'm looking forward to your review. Didn't you start a Quebec thread? I'm about 90% positive I'm going to call in the morning and switch my WBTA to the Quebec sailing. I've been sticking with the WBTA because I've been hesitant to change a 11 day cruise to a 7 day that cost a little more. I think I would really prefer the Quebec cruise and cruising through the fjords. Apposed to crossing the North Atlantic during hurricane season. I'm not a fan of rough seas. I'm not afraid of them. I just prefer not to pay thousands of dollars to experience them. My parents had a 50 foot boat when I was a kid. I spent a lot of time on the ocean and I still can't get my stomach used to extreme motion. I've also been to London a few times....Quebec would be something new. I'd like to spend a few days there so I'll have some questions for you.

    I'm also looking at the Vista in May. I'm not much of a advanced planner, but I'm trying to get it together for next year. I want an Ocean Family room. I need to book that soon 5 rooms left.
     
  11. mevelandry

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    Yes, I'm the one who started the Quebec thread. If you have any question about Quebec (or Montreal), I'll be pleased to help you! :)
     
  12. mevelandry

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    Strange how the planets are aligned...

    I was doing my new Victory VS Wonder review when I noticed there was a "50$ deposit" promotion on selected sailings on the Carnival Website.

    For different reasons, I've had cancelled two cruises going to Key West in the past but I've been obsessed with it for years. DH and I were looking for a plan for next spring... The Victory is scheduled for dry dock in January (getting upgraded for funship 2.0 I heard) The price was right...

    And here we are, booked on the Carnival Victory for a short cruise to Key West and Cozumel during Spring 2018!!!

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    I do have to disagree with this -- we have been on more than one Disney cruise that not sold out, and one that was barely 75% attended. I know because one of these times we were in the port and they were offering upgrades for minimal money because they had so many empty balcony rooms (that's what the CM told us). It might depend on the time of year and the itinerary, but I don't think they sell out every time and may be why they offer the guaranteed "sales".
     
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    Wow! Do you remember what time of year?
     
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    The one about the discounts was a while ago, and in the summer -- like August or September. They were sailing so "empty" that they had offered travel agents and their families ridiculously priced tickets -- like $25/each -- so the ship was full of seniors and older family members and we saw hardly any kids! I know this because one of my friend's family members went up to the desk to ask why discounted upgrades weren't offered to the loyal passengers before you reached out and and offered them last minute to agents. She was pretty mad LOL. So the adult pool was packed and the kids' pools were not. The other one was in October or November.
     
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    TU!!
     
  17. cruiser21

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    When I say sold out I mean sold out on sail date. How they sold out I don't know. I was on some cruises in 2014 and 2015 that weren't sold out, but they weren't empty either. Hawaii, San Juan and one Fantasy cruise. The five cruises cruises we've done in the last 2 years were old sold out by sail date.
    I think every cruise I booked in 2013 to 2015 was a restricted discounted rate. Those discounted fares haven't been as plentiful the last couple of years. I'm having a hard time finding deals on anything. Traveling was so much cheaper during the recession....but I don't want that either.
    Thank you that would be helpful. I'm having a hard time finding itinerary's that are interesting for next year, but I think I would like that one.
     
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    Talking about not selling out... A friend of mine who's a TA booked a fall cruise departing from NYC (Disney Magic) at a price that left me speechless and that I can't repeat in here.
     
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    Yeah those New York cruises don't sell. I wonder why? I'm hesitant to use my OBB for the Quebec cruise. It's not selling at all, and I would bet my right arm they will offer the 20-25% restricted fare discount. The Canadian cruises sold so poorly this year they were offering GT rates before the PIF date. Everyone would rather go to the Caribbean I guess. The prices weren't that outlandish by Disney standards anyway.
     
  20. we"reofftoneverland

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    This is exactly how I see it! For some time DCL has been treating their customers like a commodity. When you treat someone like a commodity, they start to see you as one, and they start to act like one themselves by searching for a better price (easy to find. Lol) AND a better experience (surprised to see that this was also easy to find. Lol.). Gone are the emotional ties that keep people with DCL-- and that is the draw for Disney, emotion.

    Other lines are not this way at all. They allow the market to dictate prices. They still give heavily discounted rates to people in the travel industry (not just TAs but everyone-- our friend who uses these rates is a pilot) but they also give great discounts to the public in a variety of ways.
     
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  21. cruiser21

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    I've been watching a cruise on Carnival. Even with all they sales offered over the past months the price never goes down. I've noticed this on other cruiselines too. I especially notice this withRoyal. They always have a sale going on, but if you watch a cruise for months the price is consistent. I'm not sure other cruise lines really have sales. They just make it appear that they do.
     

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