Car seats on airplanes?

albertamommyof4

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I was wondering what carseats are allowed on the planes to disney? I know that the car seats here in alberta all have the symbol for canadian flights but not sure if they are allowed in states . Also what car seat is the best for flights? The child will be under three , about 2 and a half to almost 3 . WE have never flew before
Thanks
 
I've travelled many times with my kids carseats over the past 5 years. Until recently, I was never asked anything about whether the seat was approved etc. Recently, I'd say it's been about 50/50.

What airline are you flying? If it's one of the Canadian airlines, you shouldn't have a problem just showing the CMVSS sticker if you're asked if your seat is certified.

If it's a US airline, the flight attendants won't necessarily recognize that the sticker means that the seat is approved for airline use. They might try to look for the FAA approval sticker, which Canadian seats do not have. That does NOT mean that you are not allowed to use the seat though. FAA regulations say that you are allowed to use a seat approved by foreign government agencies for airline use. All Canadian harnessed seats are approved for airline use, and should say so in their manuals. When I had a FA on a US airline give me a rough time about using a seat that didn't have an FAA sticker on it, I pulled out the manual and showed her where it said that the seat was approved for airline use, and she was satisfied with that.

What seat do you have for your child in the car? You should be able to take that one with you on the plane. Most people stack the carseat on the stroller to get it through the airport, although you could also buy a carseat bag (I have one on wheels that I drag behind me) or strap it onto a folding luggage cart.

Although carseats are not required for 2-3 year olds on the plane, I think it's great that you're wanting to use one for your child.. My kids travel so much better in their car seats, and I am comforted knowing that they are restrained should the plane run into some turbulence.
 
I'm a tech in Canada (AB) and this is part of my job (I teach parents/caregivers how to use/install child restraints)... so here you go. :)

All child restraints in Canada bear the CMVSS 213 sticker which automatically indicates airline approval. In addition to that, the majority of child restraints also state they are FAA approved for airline travel. It is generally in red writing on the side of the seat along with the abbreviated instructions for installing the seat in various vehicles/seats.

As a visitor to the States, you will continue to use your Canadian seat down there and continue to install it according to your specific instruction manual that came with your seat.

Most seats are pretty easy to install on airlines... if you want to tell me which seats you are taking, I can give you some tips/hints to make installation easier.

The seat you have may work just fine. My favourite airline travel seat is the Radian. It has a low profile and looks very big kiddish. It also has the tallest top slots on the Canadian market and a 65lbs weight limit which allows all children who use it to get to a good booster age (5 - 6 years old) without outgrowing it by height/weight first. Due to it's design, it allows the airline tray table to be down for the child to use and the airline seat can be reclined without disturbing the install. It is also very easy to install on the plane and very easy to install with simple tricks in vehicles using LATCH. Seatbelt installs can be a little trickier, but once you know the tricks you'll be fine. The Radian also folds up to keep it out of the way at your destination if you are not renting a vehicle to leave it in... or just folding it and carrying it like a backpack through the airport makes life much easier as well. ;)

Good for you for taking a seat on the plane! Most people don't realize just how important it can be. :)
 
Thank you both for your replies i will answer your questions
We are not sure when we are going to disneyland but aare hoping to go before march 2009 .
Right now the carseat that i have is a alpha omega and it is big and heavy it does not have a latch and the one sticker is off , we want to buy a new car seat anyways , one that goes into a booster so i thought that i would make sure about the flight before i buy it so i didn't have to go buy 2 lol , i haven't heard of the radient but i will sure look into it .
I don;t know if i could handle him with out a car seat lol hw would be way to squimy in the planes seat belt and he is small for his age so i would be scared that he would not be protected well enough .
Also i did have a question would a almost 7 year old need a booster in a rental vehicle in anaheim?
Thanks again for all your help
Oh and i forgot to add that we would probably be flying west jet or air canada out of alberta
 

Westjet is excellent with parents using carseats (they actually prefer that you do) and Air Canada is pretty good... we fly out of Calgary.

You need to be careful with the Alpha Omega because the top most position is for *booster mode only*. This will be imprinted on the plastic (difficult to read) on the back of the seat. Most children outgrow this seat by height right around the age of 2.5 - 3 years old because of this rule.

If you want to tell me where his shoulders are in relation to which slot he is using on the Alpha Omega and his height/weight, I can give you some recommendations. Off the top of my head, we (techs) generally recommend the Evenflo Visions/Chase/Traditions or Evenflo Bolero/Generations as good combination seats. The Bolero/Generations will make a better booster than the Visions/Chase/Traditions, but keep in mind that no matter what seat you get, you will eventually need another booster (probably just a $20 backless booster) down the road though.

Both versions of these combination seats harness to 47lbs and then booster to 100lbs. They also have nice tall top slots, so the harness mode should not be outgrown before 5 years old (good booster age). They are also fairly easy to install in most vehicles.

As for the 7 year old... legally, they do not have to be in a booster in California (6 years old OR 60lbs). From a safety aspect, they should be in a booster until they can pass the 5 step test. Children that do not pass the 5 step test are at risk of submarining under the seatbelt causing major stomach injuries that easily lead to death. :( Incidentally, children that are graduated to a booster too soon are also at risk of these injuries... children should be a *minimum* of 4 years old *and* 40lbs before going to a booster. A simple backless booster would be fine for a 7 year old as long as the vehicle you are using has head restraints. A backless booster also stores well in a suitcase or as carry-on in the overhead bin (my preferred method so it can't get lost). :)

The 5 Step Test
If you answer "No" to any of these questions, your child must be in a booster seat:
1. Does the child sit all the way back against the auto seat?
2. Do the child's knees bend comfortably at the edge of the auto seat?
3. Is the lap belt touching the top of the thighs, not the tummy?
4. Is the shoulder belt centered on the shoulder and chest?
5. Can the child stay seated like this for the whole trip?
BELT-POSITIONING BOOSTERS CAN NOT be used with only a lap belt!
(See your car dealer for a lap/shoulder belt retrofit.)

Hope that helps... sorry for the book. :o
 
Westjet is excellent with parents using carseats (they actually prefer that you do) and Air Canada is pretty good... we fly out of Calgary.

You need to be careful with the Alpha Omega because the top most position is for *booster mode only*. This will be imprinted on the plastic (difficult to read) on the back of the seat. Most children outgrow this seat by height right around the age of 2.5 - 3 years old because of this rule.

If you want to tell me where his shoulders are in relation to which slot he is using on the Alpha Omega and his height/weight, I can give you some recommendations. Off the top of my head, we (techs) generally recommend the Evenflo Visions/Chase/Traditions or Evenflo Bolero/Generations as good combination seats. The Bolero/Generations will make a better booster than the Visions/Chase/Traditions, but keep in mind that no matter what seat you get, you will eventually need another booster (probably just a $20 backless booster) down the road though.

Both versions of these combination seats harness to 47lbs and then booster to 100lbs. They also have nice tall top slots, so the harness mode should not be outgrown before 5 years old (good booster age). They are also fairly easy to install in most vehicles.

As for the 7 year old... legally, they do not have to be in a booster in California (6 years old OR 60lbs). From a safety aspect, they should be in a booster until they can pass the 5 step test. Children that do not pass the 5 step test are at risk of submarining under the seatbelt causing major stomach injuries that easily lead to death. :( Incidentally, children that are graduated to a booster too soon are also at risk of these injuries... children should be a *minimum* of 4 years old *and* 40lbs before going to a booster. A simple backless booster would be fine for a 7 year old as long as the vehicle you are using has head restraints. A backless booster also stores well in a suitcase or as carry-on in the overhead bin (my preferred method so it can't get lost). :)

The 5 Step Test
If you answer "No" to any of these questions, your child must be in a booster seat:
1. Does the child sit all the way back against the auto seat?
2. Do the child's knees bend comfortably at the edge of the auto seat?
3. Is the lap belt touching the top of the thighs, not the tummy?
4. Is the shoulder belt centered on the shoulder and chest?
5. Can the child stay seated like this for the whole trip?
BELT-POSITIONING BOOSTERS CAN NOT be used with only a lap belt!
(See your car dealer for a lap/shoulder belt retrofit.)

Hope that helps... sorry for the book. :o

Thank you so much for all the info it is very helpful
As far as i remember my son is either on the first or second slot i also not sure on weight and height i feel bad now lol but he wears 18 to 24 month clothing .
Thanks for the info for daughter who is 6 i failed the test lol she is also small she wears size 6 clothing . She sits in a belt position booster right now but it doesn't fit right on the seat in our vehicle so we are going to have to switch to a backless one .
 
Hey there Jen! Great advice as per usual, and it is also great to see someone actually listen, and plan to use carseats on the plane. The AO is actually not a bad seat to fly with, take the base off, it will be much lighter! We flew with DS 3 in the AO, and he fell asleep on the flight home, poor DH had to carry him off the plane and thru the entire airport, he slept through luggage claim, then while I installed the seat on the shuttle, and only woke up as I plunked the seat in the van to install it there. We took the Radian this year, and aside from being SOOOO heavy to lug (even withOUT Ds sleeping in it), it was a dream to install, and super with the tray table. Have a great flight!

BTW AlbertaMom, check to see if your booster needs head support behind it, becasue if not, you can often remove the vehicle headrest from behind the high backed booster to make it sit flush against the seat.
 
Hi! :wave:

Yeah that to all of the advice that Canadianmom2three gave you.

Just make sure the straps are above your son's shoulders (and it's not in the top most position) and you can use the Alpha Omega no problem. I definitely second the removing the base. Much easier to install/cart around. :)

At 6 years old, I'd want to keep your daughter in a high back booster for main use. If the vehicle head rest is what's interfering with the install, it can be removed as previously suggested (as long as it's not an Apex combination seat)... if that's not the issue, then maybe a different booster for her would work better. Vehicle year/make/model would help with giving you options to look at for that scenario. :)

If you need some help on removing the base (and can't find your instructions... a common occurrence ;)), let me know and I'll walk you through it.
 
Hey there Jen! Great advice as per usual, and it is also great to see someone actually listen, and plan to use carseats on the plane. The AO is actually not a bad seat to fly with, take the base off, it will be much lighter! We flew with DS 3 in the AO, and he fell asleep on the flight home, poor DH had to carry him off the plane and thru the entire airport, he slept through luggage claim, then while I installed the seat on the shuttle, and only woke up as I plunked the seat in the van to install it there. We took the Radian this year, and aside from being SOOOO heavy to lug (even withOUT Ds sleeping in it), it was a dream to install, and super with the tray table. Have a great flight!

BTW AlbertaMom, check to see if your booster needs head support behind it, becasue if not, you can often remove the vehicle headrest from behind the high backed booster to make it sit flush against the seat.
Thank you
 
Hi! :wave:

Yeah that to all of the advice that Canadianmom2three gave you.

Just make sure the straps are above your son's shoulders (and it's not in the top most position) and you can use the Alpha Omega no problem. I definitely second the removing the base. Much easier to install/cart around. :)

At 6 years old, I'd want to keep your daughter in a high back booster for main use. If the vehicle head rest is what's interfering with the install, it can be removed as previously suggested (as long as it's not an Apex combination seat)... if that's not the issue, then maybe a different booster for her would work better. Vehicle year/make/model would help with giving you options to look at for that scenario. :)

If you need some help on removing the base (and can't find your instructions... a common occurrence ;)), let me know and I'll walk you through it.

Thank you we actually have a 2007 grand caravan with the 2 bucket seats in the second row.
The head rest don't seem to be a problem it is that the bottom , seat, part seems to big and doesn't sit properly on the seat and when she moves around the seat moves around
Oh and with the alpha omega it says that i cant remove the base unless i am going to use it as a booster seat . and it is almost 6 years old so i am going to have to replace it here soon
Thanks again for all your help
 
Thank you we actually have a 2007 grand caravan with the 2 bucket seats in the second row.
The head rest don't seem to be a problem it is that the bottom , seat, part seems to big and doesn't sit properly on the seat and when she moves around the seat moves around
Oh and with the alpha omega it says that i cant remove the base unless i am going to use it as a booster seat . and it is almost 6 years old so i am going to have to replace it here soon
Thanks again for all your help

We had an '03, an '07 (for two weeks) when the '03 was getting repaired, and now own an '08... so I'm pretty familiar with the vehicle. ;) :D

The head restraints removed may make the seat sit a little more flush with the vehicle seat, but you're right that the '07's head restraints don't generally interfere with booster use.

Booster seats are only meant to raise the child up so that the seatbelt will fit the child correctly. They will all seem more free on the seat. If you have an older booster or a combination seat that has a wider base, I can see how it could seem to move more freely than others.

The Britax Parkway, Evenflo Confidence and Graco Turbobooster all fit on the captain's chairs nicely. The Parkway has been discontinued now (although I love this seat), but the others are easy to find. We also have the new Sunshine Kids Monterey coming out later this summer. It is the only booster that is allowed to be LATCH'ed to the vehicle... which is great because you don't need to remember to buckle up the unoccupied booster. An unbuckled booster could easily become a projectile in a collision, so we always recommend buckling them up at all times. It also has fantastic side impact protection. :)

The Alpha Omega is definitely allowed to have the base removed for all installations (optional), but *must* be removed for booster use. Their instructions are confusing and not the best unfortunately... it seems to be a recurring theme with most manuals (which would be why I have a job ;)).

Depending on which level/date of manufacture of Alpha Omega you have, it will have either a 6 or 8 year expiration date... generally stamped in the plastic on the back of the seat or written in the manual.

With your vehicle and child (2.5 yr old), you could go with any of the options I've suggested in this thread. Sunshine Kids Radian, Evenflo Visions/Chase/Traditions, Evenflo Bolero/Generations. They all install nicely in your van. :)
 
We had an '03, an '07 (for two weeks) when the '03 was getting repaired, and now own an '08... so I'm pretty familiar with the vehicle. ;) :D

The head restraints removed may make the seat sit a little more flush with the vehicle seat, but you're right that the '07's head restraints don't generally interfere with booster use.

Booster seats are only meant to raise the child up so that the seatbelt will fit the child correctly. They will all seem more free on the seat. If you have an older booster or a combination seat that has a wider base, I can see how it could seem to move more freely than others.

The Britax Parkway, Evenflo Confidence and Graco Turbobooster all fit on the captain's chairs nicely. The Parkway has been discontinued now (although I love this seat), but the others are easy to find. We also have the new Sunshine Kids Monterey coming out later this summer. It is the only booster that is allowed to be LATCH'ed to the vehicle... which is great because you don't need to remember to buckle up the unoccupied booster. An unbuckled booster could easily become a projectile in a collision, so we always recommend buckling them up at all times. It also has fantastic side impact protection. :)

The Alpha Omega is definitely allowed to have the base removed for all installations (optional), but *must* be removed for booster use. Their instructions are confusing and not the best unfortunately... it seems to be a recurring theme with most manuals (which would be why I have a job ;)).

Depending on which level/date of manufacture of Alpha Omega you have, it will have either a 6 or 8 year expiration date... generally stamped in the plastic on the back of the seat or written in the manual.

With your vehicle and child (2.5 yr old), you could go with any of the options I've suggested in this thread. Sunshine Kids Radian, Evenflo Visions/Chase/Traditions, Evenflo Bolero/Generations. They all install nicely in your van. :)

Thank you so much for all your help , you have been really helpful and i learned some new things . I will check out all the seats and make a decision
 














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