Canadian Buffoon's Hi Low Vacation - South Central Musings

But in a few years when it's legal,
I could leave her stoned.

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:blush:
I don't remember where it was, but somewhere I read an entire piece on irony vs sarcasm or coincidence. I'm one of those who get frustrated when people don't know the difference between there, their, and they're or your and you're, so that just added another thing for me to be annoyed at humanity for!

I try to not get too worked up over those, because sometimes they are just typos...and especially so with internet forums. Many are typing on their phones, so it is a lot easier to make those easy typo mistakes. I know I occasionally misspell words when I'm quickly responding to someone's post -- particularly on my phone.
 
Note to self.
Don't lose the contest points.

It took me over two hours
to re-tabulate everything.

I'll help you next time. Just remember that I'm winning.

And... it was flippin' cold!
-1C/30F to be exact.
I'm on vacation!
What's it doing on the wrong
side of freezing???

Ahhh....summer in Canada.

Does anyone else wonder why they
have wood stacked up...
if no one has a wood burning fireplace?

:rotfl2: Now that you mention it.

I kinda don't mind this
"not really having an agenda" thing.

I do believe in rope drop...
but sometimes it sucks!

Yeah, it certainly doesn't help you get any rest.

Ruby really liked the fresh scones.

I started to laugh.
I pointed out that she was a woman sconed.

She pointed out that if I wrote that
I'd probably lose readers.

What do you think?


Hello?




Hello???


<cricket><cricket><cricket>

Whoops! Guess she was right.

Dad joke...




Naturally, that means I liked it.

We were pretty mesmerized
and happy we'd come right off the bat.
Unfortunately, the photo doesn't do it justice.

Hard to get a sense of scale. I had the same problem at the Grand Canyon. Still...I think it looks impressive.

It was impressive.
Just take my word for it.
We both stood there gaping with
our mouths open.

I believe you. Looks like a long way down!

Okay... I'm really torn between these
next two photos.
They're both of the same spot.
Which do you prefer?
(bonus point opportunity.)

Oh, man. I'm torn, too. The second one gives a better sense of scale, but I think I prefer (barely) the first one, because it has a better view of the waterfalls.

The best part of walking
the Maligne Canyon trail,
is that it's all downhill!
Or at least, it's mostly downhill.
There are a few spots
where you have to go up
before you can continue down.

Thank goodness! Good thing you won't have to do any climbing.


Wow. Just gorgeous. Amazing scenery!

By some cruel twist of fate,
the trail had been redesigned
in the few minutes we'd been off it,
and was now almost all up hill!


What kind of sick trick was this???

I seem to fall for that one every time! When will we learn?

A few seconds after I commenced my ascent,
an older couple from Ohio
(Betty and George. Say hi everyone!)

Hi everyone!

They told me they had to get back to their
bus in five minutes.


Um.... good luck with that!
Google says the walk from that point
would take about half an hour.

:eek: Enjoy the walk, folks! Gonna take awhile.

I don't know about them,
but I did it in under fifteen minutes.

I may have been a tad out of breath
by the time I reached the parking lot.

Dude. That's gotta be a record.

Do your legs make that Six Million-Dollar Man slo-mo noise when you run?


:rotfl:


Breathtaking. I may need to start planning a trip to the Canadian Rockies.

So... cafeteria type food.

But!
They had clam chowder...
and strawberry rhubarb pie.
So... I definitely didn't complain!
(Also grabbed a sandwich.)

It'll do in a pinch. Never been a fan of pre-wrapped sandwiches, though. I never know how long they've been sitting there.

(Okay, so she doesn't like pie....
please. I don't know why I married her.

What the...? She doesn't like pie?? Is she a Communist or something? Born without taste buds? Don't tell me she likes brussel sprouts.


(calling travel agent)

Pretty, no?
Not the biggest I've seen,
but picturesque.

I'm such a sucker for waterfalls. Doesn't matter what size. Mesmerizing.

And I had apple pie.
Because... pie.


I mean... who doesn't like pie???
You? Tell me yes or no for easy bonus points.

Sounds like good enough justification for me.

I can't get enough pie. Pie >>>>>> Cake.

We had about fifteen minutes before
the movie Sully started.
Plenty of time.
The theatre is just around the corner.
We made it with at least ten
minutes to spare.
If you haven't seen it...
we both enjoyed it.
I may have got more out of it,
with my background,
but Ruby really liked it too.

Haven't seen it, but have heard good things from several people. And Tom Hanks is always good.

1. What the heck. What time do we wake up?

What the heck. I'll say 7:30 again. It'll be right one of these days.

2. We leave Jasper. What time?

9:00.

3. What do we do before we leave... of course.

Visit a gift shop! I'm sure you needed another key chain.

4. You might want to Google.
What do we do between Jasper and Banff?
(More than one answer possible.)

Drive the Icefields Parkway (looks like the only road--pretty clever, huh?).
Visit the Athabasca Glacier.
View Bridal Veil Falls.

5. What time do we get into Banff?

6:00 p.m.

By the way, isn't "Banff" just fun to say? Sounds like you're shooting a laser pistol or something.

6. Lefty or Righty?

Depends on whether you want it loosey or tighty. I'm a righty, myself. I batted left-handed in Little League, though. Always liked switch-hitting.

Did you see it?

Yes. Humbly begging for sustenance. Or am I supposed to PM you with more detail?

Coming up: Life is a Highway.

And I want to ride it! All night long.
 


Google is my friend. Some amendments to my answers are:
1. What the heck. What time do we wake up?

It's a lot further than I thought. So I"m going to say 7:00 wake up so...
2. We leave Jasper. What time?

... you can leave at 9:00.

3. What do we do before we leave... of course.
No change.

4. You might want to Google.
What do we do between Jasper and Banff?
(More than one answer possible.)

No change.

5. What time do we get into Banff?

No change.

6. Lefty or Righty?

Left-handed.
Did you see it?

Yes, PM already sent.
 
Okay I won't tell you that we had sunny skies and people were out in shorts yesterday.

Annnnnddd....
a little part of me died.


Today will be a little chillier. A beautiful 12C.

You forgot the minus sign
in front of that "12".


Our snow is gone even at our cottage. The last bit of ice went out of the lake last week. :cold:

Already?
Huh.
I didn't think that'd happen that fast.


In just 2 weeks I will be in sunny Jamaica with highs of 33 and lows of 25. Beaches and sand. My sister won a trip on a local radio station and is taking me. :flower1:

No way!!!

That's great!

Make sure you come back
and tell us all about it!
(A few photos couldn't hurt, too.)


I will think nice weather thoughts for you. Snow snow go away come back next winter.pixiedust:

Or.... Come on Global Warming!!

I have to tell you that I don't even call it PVRing - I still say I have to tape a show and I have a PVR.

That's exactly what I say!
Or close enough.

"I'm taping it... on the PVR."
 
And to dovetail -- people often misuse ironic -- often confusing it with coincidental...or in Alanis Morissette's case, just plain bad luck.

Seriously -- NOTHING in her song Ironic is even close to being ironic, which actually makes the song quite ironic. If only that was her intention from the beginning -- it would have been the most perfect thing ever.

Ha! Never thought of it that way.
(Your last sentence, I mean.
Already knew about the tune.)


Come to think of it -- she is Canadian. So perhaps we can "blame Canada" for everyone screwing up irony too.

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Deflecting a bit, are we? Hmmmm????

:laughing:


She did an update on the song with James Corden that's pretty funny...

Darn.
I'm at work so will look later.


OK -- now I really am done with the grammar lesson(s).

But I will continue to poke fun at Canadians whenever I can. It's just too much fun.

But of course.
It is always more enjoyable to poke
fun at the expense of one's betters.


Your welcome, you down their in Texas, where its too hot.

(did that send a shiver down your spine?
Isn't that ironic? Or is that a misappropriation
or simply maladroit?)
 


For me, it was like a security blanket that didn't do the trick. I still have to tell myself that it is a safe ride and to have fun. I'm not as tense when I'm not holding on and can enjoy being lifted out of my seat.

I don't have to tell myself anymore.
After the first time I didn't hang on,
I relaxed and now enjoy it.

Weird.


Depends on the day. I absolutely love where I live and my parents still live in the house I grew up in, which is about 10 miles from me. I am an only child and want to be sure I am near enough to help them if they need it......they are still young...but I think about the future.

Those are all very strong
reasons to not go!


I hate (not sure that is a strong enough word) the traffic when we leave our bubble. The cost of living here is crazy as well. :charac2: What I saw of Colorado was beautiful and I could see myself moving if there is nothing tying me here or if the negatives listed above get too much worse.

Hmmm... Interesting.
After doing the LA traffic...

Yeah I can see that.


Sadly, yes. The main reason is that it is a quick and easy meal. Most of my meals are on the vegetarian side (I do eat chicken and of course bacon at least once a week) The loved ones in my life like to pick on me for my food choices......so I have coined a saying to take that joy away from them. I have the palate of a toddler.

:laughing:

Okay, little girl.
Now eat your veggies.


That's a bit drastic - just think of all the pie and ice cream you don't have to share with her.

Oh!
Now that is a very good point!


Description from Marie Callendar's (the restaurant chain that makes it) "Rich chocolate fills a chocolate cookie crust, with a rim of freshly-whipped cream". I prefer it without whipped cream.

I'll skip the whipped cream too.
But the rest sounds good!
 
I wish it were that simple. It's a matter of perception, as far as she can tell I'm doing all sorts of things that I enjoy, going to the park, cooking, and as far as she can tell everything I do on my computer is related to the DIS or social media. Her perception is that I spend all my time on enjoyment and not enough on work. What she doesn't see is that I've been doing 100% of the cooking, dishes, trash, bill paying, cat feeding, and until recently, the laundry. She is blind to how much work that all is, so when she sees me on my phone or computer, I'm wasting time where I could be working or getting something done!

Ahhhh.... yes. I understand that.

One thing, though. "until recently, the laundry"

Do you just burn the dirty clothes and buy new?


You have such a way of twisting my words around!

I'm the Chubby Checker of the DIS.

Well... I have the "chubby" part down.


Of course you are not revolting!

There's something worse than 'revolting'???

Nor were you part of the revolt! You kept answering the questions all the way up to the end, no matter how few points you accumulated. But many of my readers just dropped out of the contest due to their poor performance. So I guess it was a passive revolt.

You, know....
I noticed that.
I couldn't figure out what was going on.

I was like "Hey! Let's play!!... Where did everybody go?"


So...

Obviously it was me.
Sorry!


You know, with where I live and how lovely the weather is, you would think I would get outside more, rather than sitting inside the house in the AC!

I would prefer AC to spontaneous combustion, too!

I'm not surprised as you twist and torture words so deftly!

Zero idea what you could be talking about.

Groan, moan, whatevs. It was your stellar wit!

I think you're only half right when
it comes to my wit.


I'll take it!

You got it!

I do! I do!

I saw! I saw!

I'm still a bit concerned
that we wore you out, though.

If we didn't, I'm glad.
If we did...




Blame Kay.


Well, here's the thing. You've now followed me on four Disney Cruises and the one Mississippi cruise. I pay very close attention to the "all aboard" time and make sure we are back onboard hours before it takes place. Normally this isn't a problem since Fran tires out and needs a nap long before the actual departure time.

Oh, that's right!
I think I noticed that on the Mississippi one.


The other thing is that every time we have left the ship, it has been on a "Disney sponsored" excursion. One of the things about the Disney sponsored excursions is that if it runs late, they will hold the ship. That's not true if you go off on your own. The last two cruises (the one I'm writing about now and the Alaska one) are the only ones where we actually got off the ship on "non Disney" property. In Alaska all the excursions that I did were through Disney, so there was no worry. On the cruise I'm writing about now, we went out of our comfort zone and went off on our own. I'm working on writing that part up currently and I'll include a little more background on how I made my decision of what to do when I get to that point in the TR.

Oh! I'm looking forward to that
even more now!


Holy crap those things are expensive! I barely have jackets other than for fashion statements!

Money I'll never regret spending.
It's paid for itself.

Picture this (if you can)

Temperature: -40 (Celsius and Fahrenheit are the same at that temperature.)
Wind speed: 60MPH
Wind chill (what it feels like on skin): -91F (not a typo. Negative ninety one Fahrenheit.)

We were invited out for dinner. It was half a mile away.

We walked.


Ruby's government issued parka
wasn't as good as mine.
She was a bit cold.
I was hot.
Good thing I only wore
a T-shirt underneath.


I don't remember where it was, but somewhere I read an entire piece on irony vs sarcasm or coincidence. I'm one of those who get frustrated when people don't know the difference between there, their, and they're or your and you're, so that just added another thing for me to be annoyed at humanity for!

Their, their. Its gone be okay. Your gone be fine.
I dont want you too worry to. That sort of thing wont happen hear.


(what I'm really wondering now is...
did you're head just explode?

How about just now?)
 
1. 8:30
2. 9:15
3. wake up. Do morning routine stuff. Pack luggage in car. visit some gift shop? Eat breakfast.
4. Presumably you drive down 93 to Banff. I'm assuming you do some short hikes, stop at some points along the road, take some pictures, stop off at Lake Louise (I believe that is the really famous lake in that area).
5. Google is showing 7.5 hour drive time from jasper, which seems very slow -- but I guess that is mountain driving for you. I'll guess you spend about 2 hours getting sidetracked en-route and then another hour for lunch. Should put you in Banff around 7:00 pm.
6. Righty

Noted.

Bonus -- yes. It looks like he's either pleading for a beer, but without having any ID on him, the cashier is refusing service...or he forgot his wallet, and he's bartering for his lunch.

He doesn't barter.
He disintegrates.
 
I try to not get too worked up over those, because sometimes they are just typos...and especially so with internet forums. Many are typing on their phones, so it is a lot easier to make those easy typo mistakes. I know I occasionally misspell words when I'm quickly responding to someone's post -- particularly on my phone.
The weird thing with me is
I occasionally make a typo
with "you're" vs "your".

If I look at it before I post,
it stands out like a sore thumb.

But I invariably will type "you're".
Which is the longer of the two!
 
I'll help you next time. Just remember that I'm winning.

That's so weird!
Because when I re-tabulated
you came out in the red.


Ahhh....summer in Canada.

When Global Warming really hits,
you'll be begging to come up here!


Yeah, it certainly doesn't help you get any rest.

Dad joke...




Naturally, that means I liked it.

::yes:: Of course!

Hard to get a sense of scale. I had the same problem at the Grand Canyon. Still...I think it looks impressive.

It was. We really did stop dead in our tracks.

I believe you. Looks like a long way down!

I think I recall it was about 150 feet.

Oh, man. I'm torn, too. The second one gives a better sense of scale, but I think I prefer (barely) the first one, because it has a better view of the waterfalls.

Tough one, right?!

Thank goodness! Good thing you won't have to do any climbing.

Oh... shut up.

Wow. Just gorgeous. Amazing scenery!

Thanks!
It took a lot of time putting
that diorama together.


I seem to fall for that one every time! When will we learn?

Probably... never.

Dude. That's gotta be a record.

Do your legs make that Six Million-Dollar Man slo-mo noise when you run?

Six Million doesn't buy what it used to.
They make more of a grinding,
screeching kind of noise.

I get complaints.


Breathtaking. I may need to start planning a trip to the Canadian Rockies.

You could do a lot worse.

It'll do in a pinch. Never been a fan of pre-wrapped sandwiches, though. I never know how long they've been sitting there.

Me neither....
But it was that or starve.

Starving might have been
the better option.


What the...? She doesn't like pie?? Is she a Communist or something? Born without taste buds? Don't tell me she likes brussel sprouts.

I wouldn't know.
I have never, nor will I ever,
have those.... things in my home.



Good move.

I'm such a sucker for waterfalls. Doesn't matter what size. Mesmerizing.

::yes:: Me too.

Although I almost got "waterfalled" out
in Hawaii.


Sounds like good enough justification for me.

I can't get enough pie. Pie >>>>>> Cake.

You are correct.

Haven't seen it, but have heard good things from several people. And Tom Hanks is always good.

The guy's been on a bit of a roll, hasn't he?

What the heck. I'll say 7:30 again. It'll be right one of these days.

9:00.

Visit a gift shop! I'm sure you needed another key chain.

Drive the Icefields Parkway (looks like the only road--pretty clever, huh?).
Visit the Athabasca Glacier.
View Bridal Veil Falls.

6:00 p.m.

By the way, isn't "Banff" just fun to say? Sounds like you're shooting a laser pistol or something.

Depends on whether you want it loosey or tighty. I'm a righty, myself. I batted left-handed in Little League, though. Always liked switch-hitting.

Noted.


Banff!!!


Yes. Humbly begging for sustenance. Or am I supposed to PM you with more detail?

Nope! That's good.

And I want to ride it! All night long.

;)
 
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One thing, though. "until recently, the laundry"

Now I make her her help me hang and fold the clean laundry. I have a stool for her to sit on so she doesn't get fatigued. :laundy:

Well... I have the "chubby" part down.

Pu-lease, you could fit two of you in one of my dresses, of course that's without me in there. I'm the one who has the chubby part down.

There's something worse than 'revolting'???

I tried. I got nuttin.

You, know....
I noticed that.
I couldn't figure out what was going on.

I was like "Hey! Let's play!!... Where did everybody go?"

I know. I felt like all the misfits left on the playground.

So...

Obviously it was me.
Sorry!

I doubt it.

I would prefer AC to spontaneous combustion, too!

I could always sit in the pool.

I saw! I saw!

I'm still a bit concerned
that we wore you out, though.

If we didn't, I'm glad.
If we did...




Blame Kay.

I blame Sam. Every time I hang out with her, I end up wiped out.

Oh, that's right!
I think I noticed that on the Mississippi one.

Those weren't the most exciting cities so we were usually back early.

Oh! I'm looking forward to that
even more now!

Now I think I built it up beyond what it was. It's not that exciting, but I did go out of my comfort zone.

Temperature: -40 (Celsius and Fahrenheit are the same at that temperature.)
Wind speed: 60MPH
Wind chill (what it feels like on skin): -91F (not a typo. Negative ninety one Fahrenheit.)

We were invited out for dinner. It was half a mile away.

We walked.


Ruby's government issued parka
wasn't as good as mine.
She was a bit cold.
I was hot.
Good thing I only wore
a T-shirt underneath.

You people are nuts!

Their, their.

The second one should have been "they're".

Its gone be okay. Your gone be fine.
I dont want you too worry

Your to deer. Howe niece of ewe.







:teeth:

(what I'm really wondering now is...
did you're head just explode?

How about just now?)

No because you used every single one of those words incorrectly just to try and make my head explode, which shows me that you know how to use them. :p
 
Now I make her her help me hang and fold the clean laundry. I have a stool for her to sit on so she doesn't get fatigued. :laundy:

That's smart! Good!

Pu-lease, you could fit two of you in one of my dresses

Alison! Family board!

of course that's without me in there.

You're taking all the fun out of this.

I'm the one who has the chubby part down.

I hardly think so.
I've seen you, you know.


I tried. I got nuttin.

Really? nuttin better than 'revolting'?
Watt?
I thought you'd be ex-static
for the opportunity!

Hey. These jokes are awesome.
I should charge for them.

Yeah. I know. You're shocked I don't.


Okay. Okay. I'll stop.
I have a bunch of older jokes, too.
But these are more current.


I could always sit in the pool.

Fire prevention week in LA.

I blame Sam. Every time I hang out with her, I end up wiped out.

I'm off the hook! Woot!

Those weren't the most exciting cities so we were usually back early.

You should write travel brochures!

Now I think I built it up beyond what it was. It's not that exciting, but I did go out of my comfort zone.

Nah. I'm still looking forward to it.
I'm curious to see what it is
that got you to go outside
your comfort zone.


You people are nuts!

No. They were warm too.
I wore windpants.


Oh! Ha! Ha!
There you go!
I mistook "You're nuts"
for "Your nuts".


Silly me.


The second one should have been "they're".

:laughing:
I actually did write it that way!
And then thought:
"Nah... too obvious."


Your to deer. Howe niece of ewe.

Baaa.
(That was good, though. Bravo.)


No because you used every single one of those words incorrectly just to try and make my head explode, which shows me that you know how to use them. :p

Darn. Should've used one correctly.
 
It took me over two hours
to re-tabulate everything.
Your a good man. I would have said


And... it was flippin' cold!
-1C/30F to be exact.
I'm on vacation!
What's it doing on the wrong
side of freezing???
Isn't the point of vacation to get AWAY from the cold?!

Does anyone else wonder why they
have wood stacked up...
if no one has a wood burning fireplace?
Ambiance!

I kinda don't mind this
"not really having an agenda" thing.

I do believe in rope drop...
but sometimes it sucks!
That's why we go to Universal.

I started to laugh.
I pointed out that she was a woman sconed.
Holy dad joke!

We were pretty mesmerized
and happy we'd come right off the bat.
Unfortunately, the photo doesn't do it justice.
Gorgeous!!

Okay... I'm really torn between these
next two photos.
They're both of the same spot.
Which do you prefer?
(bonus point opportunity.)

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I like the first one best.

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Hello, Ruby.
Awe, you guys are cute.

By some cruel twist of fate,
the trail had been redesigned
in the few minutes we'd been off it,
and was now almost all up hill!


What kind of sick trick was this???
Those trails will definitely play tricks on ya!

few seconds after I commenced my ascent,
an older couple from Ohio
(Betty and George. Say hi everyone!)
asked me for directions.
"Does the trail loop back at the bridge?"

I don't know why everyone always
assumes I know where to go,
(Do not tell me where to go!)
but they do.
Huffing it up hill you probably looked like a man on a mission. Therefore, probably looked like you knew what you were doing lol

So... Let's go find Maligne lake, okay?

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Unreal. Your landscape pics are phenomenal!

And I had apple pie.
Because... pie.


I mean... who doesn't like pie???
You? Tell me yes or no for easy bonus points.
Ruby, apparently.


1. 6:30am

2. 10:15am

3. Scones.

4. Stopped at Crowfoot Glacier

5.4pm

6. Righty tighty



Did you see it? Yes! Even little martians need to eat!
 

Your welcome, you down their in Texas, where its too hot.

(did that send a shiver down your spine?
Isn't that ironic? Or is that a misappropriation
or simply maladroit?)

It did make my eye twitch a little.

There actually is some irony in that sentence -- although, I'm not entirely certain if it was intentional.
Using the correct form of "too" at the end actually does make it somewhat ironic...dontcha think?
 
You're taking all the fun out of this.

That's me. Sucking the fun out of everything!

I hardly think so.
I've seen you, you know.

So you know I am technically considered morbidly obese by medical experts. Oh wait! I just checked a BMI chart, since I lost 35 pounds I'm only obese now, not morbidly so! Woot! Woot!

Really? nuttin better than 'revolting'?

Well all I could come up with was revealing, but then I didn't go down the whole charged path....

Watt?
I thought you'd be ex-static
for the opportunity!

Hey. These jokes are awesome.
I should charge for them.

Yeah. I know. You're shocked I don't.


Okay. Okay. I'll stop.
I have a bunch of older jokes, too.
But these are more current.

<groan>

Face it. I'm just not as witty as you. I can't keep up. I tried. Thesaurus.com and all.... perhaps it's just too early. I'm trying to get my second cup of coffee.


I'm off the hook! Woot!

You never were on the hook!

You should write travel brochures!

I'm sure they would a riveting read!

Nah. I'm still looking forward to it.
I'm curious to see what it is
that got you to go outside
your comfort zone.

Lack of opportunities. :confused3. I better get over there and move that sucker ahead. I've got all afternoon in a vacant apartment to kill.

No. They were warm too.
I wore windpants.

:eek: I can't believe you went there.

But now I have to ask. What are windpants? :confused3. I'm too tired to Google. Remember working on 2nd cup of coffee (at a restaurant, not my own, I only need one of my own)

Oh! Ha! Ha!
There you go!
I mistook "You're nuts"
for "Your nuts".


Silly me.

You just wanted to talk about you're nuts. :sad2:

:laughing:
I actually did write it that way!
And then thought:
"Nah... too obvious."

And you thought the other stuff wasn't obvious?

Baaa.
(That was good, though. Bravo.)

Sooooo many thoughts, so easy to get banned!

Darn. Should've used one correctly.

:p


So above I alluded to the fact that we went out for breakfast. The place we went was Polly's Pies, and when we pulled up they had big signs in the windows saying that it was now Strawberry season. So as I packed up Fran's leftovers she went up to the counter to pay the check and what should I see them gathering for her and placing in a sack.



I thought of you and our discussions here about pie.
 

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