Canada's new Prime Minister's stance on Terrorism given the attacks in Paris

[NFLDERS]

This is long but sheds new light given our new PM's experience over the last two days.

The last 3 paragraphs are food for (Canadian) thought.


http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...eau-to-be-liberal-walkom/ar-BBn0zR7?li=AA59G3

 

[lizabu]

It's not going to be easy but we have to keep on. If we let ISIS change the way we live then they win. He's still bringing 25000 refugees here by end of year. And when I heard the math which is 500 people per day screened I got a little nervous. But I think we have to keep our commitments.

 

[minnie56]

It's not going to be easy but we have to keep on. If we let ISIS change the way we live then they win. He's still bringing 25000 refugees here by end of year. And when I heard the math which is 500 people per day screened I got a little nervous. But I think we have to keep our commitments.

Really?? Well I don't agree one bit.
ISIS have already stated they will plant their 'people' among the waves of refugees and attack us in our own countries. Can't be stated much clearer than that and yet we should stick to our word? Time to toss the 'manners' I'm afraid and get real!

 

[ronandannette]

It's not going to be easy but we have to keep on. If we let ISIS change the way we live then they win. He's still bringing 25000 refugees here by end of year. And when I heard the math which is 500 people per day screened I got a little nervous. But I think we have to keep our commitments.

Please consider reading the Paris Shooting/Bombing thread. While you may not agree with all of it, the ideas being discussed there are very relevant. This is a situation unlike any the world has ever faced.

 

[NFLDERS]

Please consider reading the Paris Shooting/Bombing thread. While you may not agree with all of it, the ideas being discussed there are very relevant. This is a situation unlike any the world has ever faced.

Agree. The article is long but it is very relevant (especially last 3 paragraphs) to the Paris attacks, and possibly a change in our thinking as our PM is considering when all the new information is evaluated.

 

[TLSnell1981]

He's still bringing 25000 refugees here by end of year. And when I heard the math which is 500 people per day screened I got a little nervous. But I think we have to keep our commitments.

Is he STILL bringing in 25,000? Did I misread the article?

 

[minnie56]

Is he STILL bringing in 25,000? Did I misread the article?

Yes, still 25,000 half of them to the Toronto area but 'screening' 500 a day which is beyond scary!!!!! How do you safely qualify and check that many in one day!!!!????

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes, still 25,000 half of them to the Toronto area but 'screening' 500 a day which is beyond scary!!!!! How do you safely qualify and check that many in one day!!!!????

I read if differently, (as in) It "was" the plan... "is" it still doable? I hope, common sense prevails.

 

[lizabu]

I think back backing out and not bringing the refugees over as we agreed to we are doing precisely what ISIS wants us to. People could have stopped going out in public or flying after 9/11. They could've let the terrorists win. But they didn't. They got right back out there and showed the terrorists that they are not going to let them change their way of life. The fact is if Isis wants to do something they will. They could already have hundreds of their people here and we would never know. Isis members are made up of people of every nationality and I am not naive enough to believe that they have not already recruited Canadian citizens. If you all want to let the terrorists win then that's on you but I believe in the True North Strong and Free. Not the true north cowering under our beds afraid of some refugees that are fleeing from these monsters.

 

[TLSnell1981]

They have changed our way of life worldwide and don't care about moral victories. They just want to kill their enemy.

 

[Bluestars]

Just like there are ways to help homeless people without bringing them into our homes, there are ways to help refugees without bringing them into our country.

 

[minnie mum]

Remember the pseudo Chinese curse? " May you live in interesting times." Well, life is certainly interesting. And insecure.

Is there a risk of importing ISIS terrorists among the refugees? Most likely. But the risk of home grown terrorists is just as great. From what I have read about the recent Paris events, at least 3, possibly more, of the attackers were European citizens. Instilling widespread panic, and hoping for knee jerk reactions against all Muslims is just what ISIS is hoping will happen.

Obviously refugees can't be admitted carte blanche. But a balance has to be achieved some how. Hopefully the Western countries will be able to do that. It won't be easy. And nothing, short of closing everyone's borders completely, will be fool proof.

 

[ronandannette]

I think back backing out and not bringing the refugees over as we agreed to we are doing precisely what ISIS wants us to. People could have stopped going out in public or flying after 9/11. They could've let the terrorists win. But they didn't. They got right back out there and showed the terrorists that they are not going to let them change their way of life. The fact is if Isis wants to do something they will. They could already have hundreds of their people here and we would never know. Isis members are made up of people of every nationality and I am not naive enough to believe that they have not already recruited Canadian citizens. If you all want to let the terrorists win then that's on you but I believe in the True North Strong and Free. Not the true north cowering under our beds afraid of some refugees that are fleeing from these monsters.

These thoughts are very idealistic and obtuse. ISIS does not seek to cower us from going back to Disney World, nor do they care whether or not we accept refugees. Their goal is world domination under a Caliphate established on a distorted, radicalized religious mandate. They want our way of life, and that of every person in every nation, subjugated not just changed, and for anyone who fails to submit, the only recourse is death.

Explosions and shootings in Paris
^^This post (by TLSnell) in the other thread is very good food for though, especially in context of another recent thread where we apparently don't feel safe in our own homes as it it.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

ISIS does not seek to cower us from going back to Disney World, nor do they care whether or not we accept refugees. Their goal is world domination under a Caliphate established on a distorted, radicalized religious mandate. They want our way of life, and that of every person in every nation, subjugated not just changed, and for anyone who fails to submit, the only recourse is death.

This bears repeating.

 

[ronandannette]

Remember the pseudo Chinese curse? " May you live in interesting times." Well, life is certainly interesting. And insecure.

Is there a risk of importing ISIS terrorists among the refugees? Most likely. But the risk of home grown terrorists is just as great. From what I have read about the recent Paris events, at least 3, possibly more, of the attackers were European citizens. Instilling widespread panic, and hoping for knee jerk reactions against all Muslims is just what ISIS is hoping will happen.

Obviously refugees can't be admitted carte blanche. But a balance has to be achieved some how. Hopefully the Western countries will be able to do that. It won't be easy. And nothing, short of closing everyone's borders completely, will be fool proof.

In one regard, you are correct. The ultimate goals of ISIS include evoking the "apocalypse" and provoking the world to warfare is certainly a strategy to that end. But if so, then the world must demand that peace-loving Muslims everywhere lead the charge and with the support of the West, root out and destroy every last person (including here on Canadian soil) that supports that theology. There have been over a dozen jihadists killed in the middle-east who migrated there from Calgary. Why did their families and the members of their mosques and religious/cultural communities not stop them? Why is CSIS not inundated with reports on suspicious activity?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[Colleen27]

Really?? Well I don't agree one bit.
ISIS have already stated they will plant their 'people' among the waves of refugees and attack us in our own countries. Can't be stated much clearer than that and yet we should stick to our word? Time to toss the 'manners' I'm afraid and get real!

The thing is, they're saying that for a reason - if/when the West responds by closing their borders to refugees, our actions become a powerful recruiting tool for them. It is easy to "radicalize" people who see the affluent countries of Europe and North America as selfishly unwilling to help poor people fleeing a civil war. If we want this to end, we need to step back from emotionally-driven reactions and look at the bigger strategy before deciding how to react. Otherwise we play right into their strategy and legitimize their cause in the minds of those the need to continue their mission.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

In one regard, you are correct. The ultimate goals of ISIS include evoking the "apocalypse" and provoking the world to warfare is certainly a strategy to that end. But if so, then the world must demand that peace-loving Muslims everywhere lead the charge and with the support of the West, root out and destroy every last person (including here on Canadian soil) that supports that theology. There have been over a dozen jihadists killed in the middle-east who migrated there from Calgary. Why did their families and the members of their mosques and religious/cultural communities not stop them? Why is CSIS not inundated with reports on suspicious activity?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

I don't know if you go to church or not but I doubt if you or your minister/priest would like to be blamed in any manner for a member of your congregation's crimes.

Terrorists do not represent the Islamic faith anymore than the KKK represents Christianity.

As for CSIS, they do not have the proper resources from the government to properly do their job.

Let not the innocent Syrian families who are fleeing bombs and homelessness become the scapegoats for the Western world's homegrown terrorists.

 

[CPanther95]

These thoughts are very idealistic and obtuse. ISIS does not seek to cower us from going back to Disney World, nor do they care whether or not we accept refugees. Their goal is world domination under a Caliphate established on a distorted, radicalized religious mandate. They want our way of life, and that of every person in every nation, subjugated not just changed, and for anyone who fails to submit, the only recourse is death.

Well said.

After every terrorist attack, we see endless comments about "If we xxxxxx, the terrorists win" .... 99% of the time thats code for "we should do nothing" to address the problem. These people don't care about how our daily lives may change as a result of their actions. They want to kill us, or conquer us. Nothing else. When one of those things happen, "they won". Until one of those things happen, they are still "playing the game". We can't just ignore them and then hope that they will say "Gee, we lost since they didn't change anything".

 

[ronandannette]

I don't know if you go to church or not but I doubt if you or your minister/priest would like to be blamed in any manner for a member of your congregation's crimes.

Terrorists do not represent the Islamic faith anymore than the KKK represents Christianity.

As for CSIS, they do not have the proper resources from the government to properly do their job.

Let not the innocent Syrian families who are fleeing bombs and homelessness become the scapegoats for the Western world's homegrown terrorists.

The religious leadership at my church could and should be held 100% accountable if anyone (church member or not) commits a crime about which they had prior knowledge and did not take every possible measure to stop. I dare say, especially if the atrocities committed are ostensibly done in the name of my faith. People - real people, here in my home city knew of the intentions of the converts who left our country with the express purpose of joining ISIS. They knew. Undoubtedly, more know of other potential perpetrators right this very minute. Not just here but in America and every Western country on the face of the earth.

 

[pat fan]

I don't know if you go to church or not but I doubt if you or your minister/priest would like to be blamed in any manner for a member of your congregation's crimes.

Certainly not all Imam's are radical, but there are mosques where the Imam's ARE and those mosques are known for radicalization and need to be shut down. If the Pastor of a church was preaching KKK theology instead of we are all children of Adam and Eve, then yes I would hold him accountable, just as I hold those Imam's accountable.