California and Florida

[Cindy F]

Florida and California, one day your states will be reminded of your hateful, discriminatory past in a president-elect's victory speech.....just like this God-Forsaken state I live in. From the top of the state right through to the bottom.

Watch Obama's speech again, and know this...one day it won't be my state's shameful past that will be in the next acceptance speech, it will be yours. This is how history will remember you and it will be well deserved by what you have done to the concepts of freedom and equality this day.

 

[Lib E]

Florida and California, one day your states will be reminded of your hateful, discriminatory past in a president-elect's victory speech.....just like this God-Forsaken state I live in. From the top of the state right through to the bottom.

Watch Obama's speech again, and know this...one day it won't be my state's shameful past that will be in the next acceptance speech, it will be yours. This is how history will remember you and it will be well deserved by what you have done to the concepts of freedom and equality this day.

Yep. I'm a Californian and voted no, but I know we will be pinned to this ignorant and evil legacy forever.

 

[RockNRollerGator]

Don't blame me, I voted no on Amendment 2 and I'm appalled more than the 60% needed to pass it voted for it.

 

[Barbossa]

Whoa, I helped campaign against, and voted no on, CA's Proposition 8. Besides, mark my words, legal challenges (which have already started) will overturn Prop 8. I never understood how a constitutional amendment could be created by a simple majority vote. A U.S. consitutional amendment, for example, requires 2/3 vote in the House and Senate, and must be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

 

[happygirl]

Why are people ignorant and hateful? IS it they don't have the same views that you do??

 

[FSUDisneyGirl]

I voted no on 2...sorry the others did not.

 

[Soarin08]

Why are people ignorant and hateful? IS it they don't have the same views that you do??

I know. Maybe alot of people just didn't agree (obviously). It's a done deal now.

 

[Cindy F]

Why are people ignorant and hateful? IS it they don't have the same views that you do??

Does that make sense? Does it make sense that I think everyone who believes differently from me is ignorant and hateful? That is has nothing to do with them being ignorant and hateful in their own right? That it's just because they don't agree with me?

Does that make sense to you? It doesn't matter. This country WILL be equal one day regardless of what the bigots have enforced today. How did the whole segregation thing work out for George Wallace? Hatred and governments based on limitations of freeedoms and bigotry can not last.

 

[Cindy F]

I know. Maybe alot of people just didn't agree (obviously). It's a done deal now.

So was slavery...for awhile. It fell and this will too. Thank God.

 

[Lib E]

Why are people ignorant and hateful? IS it they don't have the same views that you do??

This has nothing to do with opinion. To believe that people who are not heterosexual do not deserve the same rights is ignorant and hateful. Denying rights is WRONG.

IMO the government should have never adopted the word marriage, but it did and it changed the definition from a religious to a legal one for their purposes. If you want to use it in a religious context personally, be my guest. But our government is not a religious entity and should not have laws that cater to religious entities.

 

[smartestnumber5]

Why are people ignorant and hateful? IS it they don't have the same views that you do??

Your completely right! Nothing at all wrong or hateful about being a segregationist. Some people just have different views than others.





OP don't forget Arkansas (forbidding gay couples--straight unmarried couples too--from adopting or fostering children). And throw MI in there too for our 2004 ballot amendment that made it illegal for a gay person's partner or children to get domestic partner health benefits. CA and FL will actually end up looking moderate next to that.

And I completely agree about how discrimination against gays will look in hindsight. I have no doubt that in a few generations our children and grandchildren will look at many people today with the same incredulity and horror that we look at segregationists.

 

[Cindy F]

And throw MI in there too for our 2004 ballot amendment that made it illegal for a gay person's partner or children to get domestic partner health benefits.

So the bigoted taxpayers that voted to make partnership benefits illegal will end up paying the medical bills for the partner and child that couldn't be covered? I guess that's poetic justice isn't it?

and the non-benefited partner can claim head of household and child tax credit and EIC and all that and get great big fat refunds and EIC payments even though the partner makes over $150k a year because they aren't legally married? And the wealthy partner will not be legally responsible for any of the partner's medical bills-after all, they aren't married. Well, at least there is a sliver of a silver lining isn't there?

 

["Got Disney"]

Florida and California, one day your states will be reminded of your hateful, discriminatory past in a president-elect's victory speech.....just like this God-Forsaken state I live in. From the top of the state right through to the bottom.

Watch Obama's speech again, and know this...one day it won't be my state's shameful past that will be in the next acceptance speech, it will be yours. This is how history will remember you and it will be well deserved by what you have done to the concepts of freedom and equality this day.

Hate ta tell ya this but it's not just Ca. and Fl....ya nees to check your map on this issue....

I voted NO and so did almost half of Ca. And to make you see it another way....We are a Dem state and Obama won by a landslide here....so many OS also voted against it as for it.....it was not just republicans incase you were wondering....

I also don't like the threads that have come up today calling all Ca. hateful....that is just rude.

In addition I dont think Ca. will be singled out looking forward.....it is a nation wide discrimination....NATION WIDE....and also this again is being brought up to the Federal court.....

 

[Metro West]

Don't blame me, I voted no on Amendment 2 and I'm appalled more than the 60% needed to pass it voted for it.

 

[JARNJ3]

A more accurate statement would be "52% of Californians are hateful......"

Personally, I think what swayed some people was the inaccurate portrayal of the education of children on it. Organized religion orchestrated it. There are still a lot of folks who are members of organized churches.

This opinion is just based on stuff I read.

Fortunately, the ACLU is already fighting it on constitutional grounds.......

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/05/advocates-file-petition-to-overturn-californias-prop-8/

November 5, 2008, 3:49 pm
Gay Advocates File Petition to Overturn California’s Prop 8

Gabriel Kahn reports on the election.

Advocates for gay marriage said they had filed a petition with the California Supreme Court today, urging the judges to overturn Proposition 8, the ballot measure that seeks to ban same-sex marriage.

The petition, to the same court that legalized same-sex marriage in May, was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

On Tuesday, California voters approved Prop 8, which seeks to amend the state’s constitution to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. The petition charges that Prop 8 is invalid because the ballot-initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the state constitution’s core commitment to equality by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group, lesbian and gay Californians.

With 98% of the vote counted, the ballot measure won with 52.4% of the vote compared with 47.6% of vote against it. The bitter fight over the measure was fueled by more than $70 million in spending. The San Francisco Chronicle reported today that the measure got strong support in the state’s Central Valley and even among voters in Los Angeles County, a Democratic stronghold. But with the exception of Solano County, it lost in the Bay Area.

 

[Cindy F]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";28562421]Hate ta tell ya this but it's not just Ca. and Fl....ya nees to check your map on this issue....
I voted NO and so did almost half of Ca. And to make you see it another way....We are a Dem state and Obama won by a landslide here....so many OS also voted against it as for it.....it was not just republicans incase you were wondering....
I also don't like the threads that have come up today calling all Ca. hateful....that is just rude.
In addition I dont think Ca. will be singled out looking forward.....it is a nation wide discrimination....NATION WIDE....and also this again is being brought up to the Federal court.....[/QUOTE]

I am not naive enough to think hatred picks a party. I don't like that California would vote such hatefulness into law but I have to put up with it rude or not don't I?

This bigotry will fall, gay people will have equal rights one day, such is the way of progression. All states who participate in this hatefulness will be remembered but California will be singled out because it was held to be a progressive minded state.

You are naive if you think this won't be remembered. Watch President Obama's acceptance speech again. How many cities in Alabama did he mention? Racism and slavery was all through the southeast but ALABAMA stood alone in his speech. Just as there is one state and one city that brings to mind racism and civil rights, there will be one state and one city singled out to represent the oppression of gays. Where will your state be on that list?

 

[LuvN~Travel]

Yes, that's exactly what it is. I think everyone that believes differently from me is ignorant and hateful. It has nothing to do with them being ignorant and hateful in their own right, it's just because they don't agree with me.

That makes perfect sense doesn't it? It doesn't matter. This country WILL be equal one day regardless of what the bigots have enforced today. Ask George Wallace how the whole segregation thing worked out for him? Hatred and governments based on limitations of freeedoms and bigotry can not last.

Sorry, but he wasn't the best example. The black democrats voted him IN the last time he ran. lol
Kim

 

[Cindy F]

Sorry, but he wasn't the best example. The black democrats voted him IN the last time he ran. lol
Kim

Yes, they did. Did he walk into office?

 

["Got Disney"]

I am not naive enough to think hatred picks a party. I don't like that California would vote such hatefulness into law but I have to put up with it rude or not don't I?

This bigotry will fall, gay people will have equal rights one day, such is the way of progression. All states who participate in this hatefulness will be remembered but California will be singled out because it was held to be a progressive minded state.

You are naive if you think this won't be remembered. Watch President Obama's acceptance speech again. How many cities in Alabama did he mention? Racism and slavery was all through the southeast but ALABAMA stood alone in his speech. Just as there is one state and one city that brings to mind racism and civil rights, there will be one state and one city singled out to represent the oppression of gays. Where will your state be on that list?

But why are you lumping all Ca as hateful....half voted NO.....even my 11 and 14 y.o were disappointed in the results....

It also has not just to do with the fact of someone being gay...it has a lot to do with Religion and the Bible stating that marriage should only be between and man and a woman.....

I have friends that are not homophobic but there religious beliefs they take
seriously and hold the bible to there heart. That does not make them hateful...

And no I don't think Ca. will be singled out for this....if anything we are beyond other states in the fact that almost half are for it and we are working on making it legal....that's more than i can say for many other states....

 

[Stacerita]

Easy there. You need to remember it was not the entire state that voted this in. It was a close race so it was about half. Do not lump the entire population of Cali in with those who voted yes on 8.