CA DVC first dibs not really fair for old timers who live in CA

[wdw4life]

My guess is that the DL guides really need this perk to keep DVC sales at DLR from stalling. Without this perk, I can even see sales volume going down at DLR when prospective buyers learn that new GC DVC sales is on the horizon--why commit 160 points now when they can do so in a year (or two) for a DVC that they truly want? I believe that people who purchase onsite at DL probably have a strong connection to DLR and are geographically more closely located to DLR than WDW, otherwise they would have purchased through a WDW guide. I personally believe this sales tactic may just work to snag people on the fence. I know for one I'm tempted to look for any way to become a Founding Member!

I believe this also. When I was meeting with the salesperson, to set up my meeting with a guide, three different people stopped to ask about the GCV. One was already a member and two were not. I think it's just a way to keep sales going to potential new members who might just be waiting for GCV to start selling.

 

[disneylover1955]

All This Drama....

 

[Longhairbear]

I am wondering, now that I and a few others have our noses out of joint over the Founding Members thing, if once the general membership starts buying add ons, if the general public will be shut out altogether.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

blind faith?

thats the dumbest reason I have ever heard. Im sure they did tell you this, but I can not imagine that was the reason developed by DVC. Seems like a reason made up by a couple sales guides discussing it amongst themselves or with guests

I dont see how in any way this should allow them to get first crack over the other thousands of members, An existing member is an existing member, period

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

besides the blind faith theory doesnt automatically mean you bought through a CA guide or vice versa

 

[MarkRG]

Don't get too panicky yet folks, this isn't the only time DVC has tried one of these exclusivity deals, the member cruise I just got off of had this lottery thing for people who've never been on a member cruise to have first shot, with the intent being to get fresh faces on the cruise to boost addon sales. A lot of people got upset at that, myself included. That deal didn't do as well as DVC expected, and there was still plenty of availability come open call-in day. I'd not be surprised to see the same situation happen here.

 

[Island Mouse]

How long until they actually start selling GCV?

 

[deej696]

This is an interesting thread, and I'm sure its a discussion we will all be having again in the near future with Hawaii and the potential of CRV down the road. Granted, I know the issue is the size of GCV, but I also know that us DVCers get antsy when we really want something, and I'm sure I'll be having these same worries if CRV comes about

Either way, I think it is unlikely that DL will sell through most of the points before the general public can buy them. If they do, well maybe that will be some sort of incentive for Disney to expand the offering if possible? I just dont think this is a once and done thing for Disney at DL if its a success...

I'm not sure I follow what exactly a Founding Member is anyway? I mean, i realize what it technically means, however I'm not sure I understand how someone gets this priority over others....

 

[keishashadow]

If they do institute a new "minimum" add-on @ future WDW DVC resorts (CRV) say of 160 points; it wouldn't surprise me to see a flood of smaller listings go to resale in order for buyers to maintain a level of points comfortable to their needs.

 

[ducklite]

This may be because CA is the only state where DVC is currently registered to sell at that resort. Once other states have approved sales to their residents for the GCV resort you will be bale to purchase by simply calling your guide, but until that time sales are only open to those who buy in person at DL.

Stay Tuned!

The laws for timeshare sales are very specific on a state-to-state basis, and depending on the state you live in, they sometimes can't even sell to you in person until the development has been approved by the state you reside in.

When BCV was first opened for sale, we were living in NJ, and DVC hadn't gotten NJ DCA approval for BCV yet, so we were unable to buy until a month or two after they began selling, even in person at WDW.

 

[dwelty]

If they do institute a new "minimum" add-on @ future WDW DVC resorts (CRV) say of 160 points; it wouldn't surprise me to see a flood of smaller listings go to resale in order for buyers to maintain a level of points comfortable to their needs.

Disney is not saying that founding members have to buy a minimum of 160 points, they are saying that existing members who bought in California can buy up to 160 points before anyone else.

 

[JimC]

My guess is that current DVC members will be offered an opportunity to buy before the general public. I hope they do not segment it further, but that is their decision to make.

 

[keishashadow]

Disney is not saying that founding members have to buy a minimum of 160 points, they are saying that existing members who bought in California can buy up to 160 points before anyone else.

thanks for the clarification, that "minimum" buy-in scenario is my personal nightmare.

 

[lisah0711]

I dont see how in any way this should allow them to get first crack over the other thousands of members, An existing member is an existing member, period

I totally agree! I think its bad PR to make thousands of members unhappy for the sake of a few even though I realize they can do that if they want to. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing even though I think all members who want points will be able to get them.

 

[barngro]

We just purchased at Disneyland and our contract reads as followsaragraph 4 on the Founding Member Opportunity Program."You
must purchase an Ownership Interest in the GCR within(60) day period prior to the planned date on which presales of the GCR to the general public begin. We will notify You at least 90 days in advance of the Public Presales Date. The notice will identify the Public Pre-sales Date and the 60 day period before the Public Pre-sales Date (the Founding Member Pre-sales Period). You will then have the opportunity to become a Founding Member by purchasing an Ownership Interest in the GCR during the Founding Member Pre-sales Period. In order to become a Founding Member, You must initiate purchase within the Founding Member Pre-Sales Period."Plus you will reeive a gift with a retail value of about 100 dollars. This was a major incentive for us as we visit Disneyland at least 4 times a year.

 

[Longhairbear]

I would be interested to know when that paragraph first appeared in contracts. Just after the GCV were announced, or since the beginning of sales at DLR?

We just purchased at Disneyland and our contract reads as followsaragraph 4 on the Founding Member Opportunity Program."You
must purchase an Ownership Interest in the GCR within(60) day period prior to the planned date on which presales of the GCR to the general public begin. We will notify You at least 90 days in advance of the Public Presales Date. The notice will identify the Public Pre-sales Date and the 60 day period before the Public Pre-sales Date (the Founding Member Pre-sales Period). You will then have the opportunity to become a Founding Member by purchasing an Ownership Interest in the GCR during the Founding Member Pre-sales Period. In order to become a Founding Member, You must initiate purchase within the Founding Member Pre-Sales Period."Plus you will reeive a gift with a retail value of about 100 dollars. This was a major incentive for us as we visit Disneyland at least 4 times a year.

 

[dwelty]

I would be interested to know when that paragraph first appeared in contracts. Just after the GCV were announced, or since the beginning of sales at DLR?

This is a new addition, I checked my paperwork. (bought at DLR August 06) I do not think they would have added this until the announcement of the GCH in September, since it would have tipped everyone off of the plan to built there.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I would be interested to know when that paragraph first appeared in contracts. Just after the GCV were announced, or since the beginning of sales at DLR?

I cant imagine its been in there all along. its just not adding up

GC wasnt even built until 2001, right? so when was it announced? were there dvc sales in DL prior to the announcement of GC?

DVC would/could never write into a contract that these people have priority to buy at a resort that has not even been announced.

also I would think someone over all these years would have posted that paragraph, how long has speculation been going on about a dvc at DL? that paragraph doesnt make it 100% official, but that a pretty solid foundation

 

[sjdisneywedding]

This is a new addition, I checked my paperwork. (bought at DLR August 06) I do not think they would have added this until the announcement of the GCH in September, since it would have tipped everyone off of the plan to built there.

ok so if this is new, is there another statement that would allow the previous buyers from DL priority over other members?

 

[wdw4life]

I know that the original announcement of GCV was supposed to be made in January of this year. I wonder if this document started appearing in contracts then or around the time it was actually announced? Since people have only recently starting mentioning it I'm betting it's something fairly new.

DLR has had a DVC sales staff for the last two years. I don't believe for a second that this plan has been in place the entire time. If it was then the sales people would have played it up. I still think they cooked it up as a way to keep new members buying until GCV goes on sale.

The way that document reads it does sound like there will be no pre-sales to the existing members. It only mentions the general public. I was previously told this but was really hoping it wasn't true.