Blast from the Past : 1997 - alt.disney.disneyland

[CanadianGuy]

Wow.. I just for fun ran a search on newsgroups to see what I had posted all those many years ago and came across this post, from 9/30/07 ... that was in a thread started by Al Lutz on alt.disney.disneyland .. and I thot - wow - you could transplant that exact same post to today to this very board.. cause so many of the issues are similar.

Link to the full selection of posts...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....c0c386308b?lnk=st&q=lajohn27#6b339ac0c386308b
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As an outsider, who happens to be a DL passholder and up till very recently, a
DW passholder, I have often happened by the newsgroups to see what's
happening.

I have to say, that it reads that the posts arguing with Kory are much more
defensive than is Kory himself.

As I see it, the opposing factions (to borrow some loaded words) aren't that
far apart. Kory is simply saying that when someone does have a positive
experience, it can frequently be 'spun' negative in the following posts.

And the other side is saying that "The parks aren't what they used to be." I
don't think that anyone can argue that. The parks have had to change in a
great many ways and try to keep up with consumer demands, changes in public
taste, political correctness, all the while maintaining the bottom line. Not
an easy task.

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say "I can do better." Rarely is it ever
that easy. If the stated goal is effective changes to the management policy
at the parks, then I agree that the best way to achieve that effective change
is by communicating likes and dis-likes to those best in the position to do
something about them.

Clearly - that's not Kory. He doesn't like to hear alot of the negative stuff.
He's not management and neither is his wife. So communicating those likes
and dis-likes to him doesn't really accomplish the stated goal of effective
change.

Sharing with other A.D.D folks makes sense.. but only to achieve concensus.
Sharing to commiserate is pointless, in so far as the stated goal is
concerned. There just seems to be an inordinate amount of energy being
consumed and negative energy being created, around arguments in the newsgroup
-- that even if you should manage to change the other's mind, accomplish
nothing. Literally.

Imagine for just a moment, if all that energy was funneled towards constructive
criticism of the park management directly, instead of here. If all that
energy was being consumed in some positive way. Whatever that might be.

What's my point? I don't know, I got lost in all the crud I wrote above. But
I guess that it just seems this argument is a little bit of the forest/trees
situation. We all agree that the park is making changes we don't like. What
I have done, is pick my battles. I have written to the park, and to Mr.
Pressler stating that I think changes to the WD Story are really a mistake.

That's it.

I didn't go into the fact I feel the park isn't maintained properly right now,
I didn't go into the changes that have taken place elsewhere on Main Street,
and I didn't go into DL Merchandise issues.

Pick your battles (and your opponents). And fight them wisely.

Peace out...

J

 

[minnie61650]

Wow.. I just for fun ran a search on newsgroups to see what I had posted all those many years ago and came across this post, from 9/30/07 ... that was in a thread started by Al Lutz on alt.disney.disneyland .. and I thot - wow - you could transplant that exact same post to today to this very board.. cause so many of the issues are similar.

Link to the full selection of posts...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....c0c386308b?lnk=st&q=lajohn27#6b339ac0c386308b
---
As an outsider, who happens to be a DL passholder and up till very recently, a
DW passholder, I have often happened by the newsgroups to see what's
happening.

I have to say, that it reads that the posts arguing with Kory are much more
defensive than is Kory himself.

As I see it, the opposing factions (to borrow some loaded words) aren't that
far apart. Kory is simply saying that when someone does have a positive
experience, it can frequently be 'spun' negative in the following posts.

And the other side is saying that "The parks aren't what they used to be." I
don't think that anyone can argue that. The parks have had to change in a
great many ways and try to keep up with consumer demands, changes in public
taste, political correctness, all the while maintaining the bottom line. Not
an easy task.

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say "I can do better." Rarely is it ever
that easy. If the stated goal is effective changes to the management policy
at the parks, then I agree that the best way to achieve that effective change
is by communicating likes and dis-likes to those best in the position to do
something about them.

Clearly - that's not Kory. He doesn't like to hear alot of the negative stuff.
He's not management and neither is his wife. So communicating those likes
and dis-likes to him doesn't really accomplish the stated goal of effective
change.

Sharing with other A.D.D folks makes sense.. but only to achieve concensus.
Sharing to commiserate is pointless, in so far as the stated goal is
concerned. There just seems to be an inordinate amount of energy being
consumed and negative energy being created, around arguments in the newsgroup
-- that even if you should manage to change the other's mind, accomplish
nothing. Literally.

Imagine for just a moment, if all that energy was funneled towards constructive
criticism of the park management directly, instead of here. If all that
energy was being consumed in some positive way. Whatever that might be.

What's my point? I don't know, I got lost in all the crud I wrote above. But
I guess that it just seems this argument is a little bit of the forest/trees
situation. We all agree that the park is making changes we don't like. What
I have done, is pick my battles. I have written to the park, and to Mr.
Pressler stating that I think changes to the WD Story are really a mistake.

That's it.

I didn't go into the fact I feel the park isn't maintained properly right now,
I didn't go into the changes that have taken place elsewhere on Main Street,
and I didn't go into DL Merchandise issues.

Pick your battles (and your opponents). And fight them wisely.

Peace out...

J

I found those posts to be very interesting and I can relate to a lot of what of was posted. You are correct a lot of the posts from 10 years ago are the same type of banter that takes place quite a bit on this board in the last couple of years or so.

I personally can relate to the remark that was posted in the We'll never post again link you posted:

Who has that authority to say what anyone believes is true?
If you believe that, you'd have a hard time sitting through an ethics
class. It's a wolves den in here for some people to even think of posting.

Sometimes I too thought that there is a small group of wolfs who wanted to pounce on posters who post possitive remarks.

I have learned that for most part most of the positive and the negative posters both really want the same thing.
They want a better DL , a better WDW and a better DCA so that future generations may be able to enjoy the type of "Magic" that Walt Disney created when he first opened Disneyland.

JUst my 2 cents.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Thats right Linda.

And things could ALWAYS be worse. "Light Magic" could still be running at Disneyland.

Now THAT was an awful experience to sit through just once.

Nevermind the 6 times that I ended up seeing it.

I still have nightmares.

Knox