Bank Bailout

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I just read another article about how the banking industry has decided they will not disclose where our money went... because they just don't want to do it.

Why aren't our lawmakers demanding our money back then?

I mean, seriously, are we going to let these banks get away with this?
 
I just read another article about how the banking industry has decided they will not disclose where our money went... because they just don't want to do it.

Not sure what article you read(it might help)... Just because banks that received aid choose not to share any info with the press, does not mean they are not disclosing any info to the feds.

Even if the Bailout Bill had required FULL PUBLIC DISCLOSURE, that does not require banks to give out any info to every news agency that calls and demands answers.
 
Why shouldn't it?

I mean, they begged for money, it isn't theirs to play with, it's mine. SO where do they get off saying no to ANYONE?
 
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BTW, the money has been used to buy stock and various securities to add liquidity to the credit markets.
 

AP study finds $1.6B went to bailed-out bank execs

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D9575TMG0.html

By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH

Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages.

Benefits included cash bonuses, stock options, personal use of company jets and chauffeurs, home security, country club memberships and professional money management, the AP review of federal securities documents found.

The total amount given to nearly 600 executives would cover bailout costs for many of the 116 banks that have so far accepted tax dollars to boost their bottom lines.

Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee and a long-standing critic of executive largesse, said the bonuses tallied by the AP review amount to a bribe "to get them to do the jobs for which they are well paid in the first place.

"Most of us sign on to do jobs and we do them best we can," said Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat. "We're told that some of the most highly paid people in executive positions are different. They need extra money to be motivated!"

The AP compiled total compensation based on annual reports that the banks file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The 116 banks have so far received $188 billion in taxpayer help. Among the findings:

_The average paid to each of the banks' top executives was $2.6 million in salary, bonuses and benefits.

_Lloyd Blankfein, president and chief executive officer of Goldman Sachs, took home nearly $54 million in compensation last year. The company's top five executives received a total of $242 million.

This year, Goldman will forgo cash and stock bonuses for its seven top-paid executives. They will work for their base salaries of $600,000, the company said. Facing increasing concern by its own shareholders on executive payments, the company described its pay plan last spring as essential to retain and motivate executives "whose efforts and judgments are vital to our continued success, by setting their compensation at appropriate and competitive levels." Goldman spokesman Ed Canaday declined to comment beyond that written report.

The New York-based company on Dec. 16 reported its first quarterly loss since it went public in 1999. It received $10 billion in taxpayer money on Oct. 28.

_Even where banks cut back on pay, some executives were left with seven- or eight-figure compensation that most people can only dream about. Richard D. Fairbank, the chairman of Capital One Financial Corp. (COF) (COF), took a $1 million hit in compensation after his company had a disappointing year, but still got $17 million in stock options. The McLean, Va.-based company received $3.56 billion in bailout money on Nov. 14.

_John A. Thain, chief executive officer of Merrill Lynch, topped all corporate bank bosses with $83 million in earnings last year. Thain, a former chief operating officer for Goldman Sachs, took the reins of the company in December 2007, avoiding the blame for a year in which Merrill lost $7.8 billion. Since he began work late in the year, he earned $57,692 in salary, a $15 million signing bonus and an additional $68 million in stock options.

Like Goldman, Merrill got $10 billion from taxpayers on Oct. 28.

The AP review comes amid sharp questions about the banks' commitment to the goals of the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP), a law designed to buy bad mortgages and other troubled assets. Last month, the Bush administration changed the program's goals, instructing the Treasury Department to pump tax dollars directly into banks in a bid to prevent wholesale economic collapse.

The program set restrictions on some executive compensation for participating banks, but did not limit salaries and bonuses unless they had the effect of encouraging excessive risk to the institution. Banks were barred from giving golden parachutes to departing executives and deducting some executive pay for tax purposes.

Banks that got bailout funds also paid out millions for home security systems, private chauffeured cars, and club dues. Some banks even paid for financial advisers. Wells Fargo of San Francisco, which took $25 billion in taxpayer bailout money, gave its top executives up to $20,000 each to pay personal financial planners.

At Bank of New York Mellon Corp. (BK), chief executive Robert P. Kelly's stipend for financial planning services came to $66,748, on top of his $975,000 salary and $7.5 million bonus. His car and driver cost $178,879. Kelly also received $846,000 in relocation expenses, including help selling his home in Pittsburgh and purchasing one in Manhattan, the company said.

Goldman Sachs' tab for leased cars and drivers ran as high as $233,000 per executive. The firm told its shareholders this year that financial counseling and chauffeurs are important in giving executives more time to focus on their jobs.

JPMorgan Chase chairman James Dimon ran up a $211,182 private jet travel tab last year when his family lived in Chicago and he was commuting to New York. The company got $25 billion in bailout funds.

Banks cite security to justify personal use of company aircraft for some executives. But Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., questioned that rationale, saying executives visit many locations more vulnerable than the nation's security-conscious commercial air terminals.

Sherman, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said pay excesses undermine development of good bank economic policies and promote an escalating pay spiral among competing financial institutions - something particularly hard to take when banks then ask for rescue money.

He wants them to come before Congress, like the automakers did, and spell out their spending plans for bailout funds.

"The tougher we are on the executives that come to Washington, the fewer will come for a bailout," he said.

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So, you deposit $100 in dollar bills at your bank. Would you expect to go back the next day and they could tell you where each of those bills were?
Of course not, because all dollar bills are fungible.
With this bail out, the Government has used taxpayer money and deposited it with the banks. They expect to get it back, with interest, when the economy improves. The banks have used that money lumped together with the rest of their deposits for whatever they use money for in their particular business model. It may have been used to make a loan or grant a mortgage or to settle a maturing borrowing or against a foriegn exchange transaction or whatever.
The banks are saying that they cannot say where the bailout money has gone because all deposits are fungible in the same way that they cannot say where your $100 has gone.

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I hate sounding like I am defending this corporate welfare...

But do some really expect that the person answering the phone should be able and willing to tell anyone that calls exactly where and how the funds were used?

Should they pass every call through straight to the CEO?



Banks disclose more than most other types of businesses, bailout or not... Proven by the Bonus/travel/etc... info from LAST YEAR, in the article above. But they are not required to answer calls from the Enquirer if they choose not to.
 
Seriously, do you think that this is what I mean.

In case I was unclear, I mean Banks have budgets right? It would follow that logically, losses would cause hemorrhaging in certain areas, right? So when someone hands over BILLIONS of dollars, not a hundred, but BILLIONS, that money MUST HAVE been allocated TO SOMEWHERE BY SOMEONE (and probably to a place where projected losses were going to happen). This money is accountable because it must be reported to the IRS somehow.

As for where my $100 goes, fist comparing $100 to BILLIONS is not really comparable. But lets, for arguments sake, examine this. My $100 would still be there for me tomorrow. SO even though that physical $100 would move in a vast system of debits and credits, that $100 is still REQUIRED to be there for me tomorrow. If it is your point to say that our BILLIONS would be there tomorrow, because all we have to do is ask for it just like private accounts holders do, then I say, where is the account stub that shows me the money.

I think they bankers do not want to say where it went because it went into their bonus' and to sure up the stock values because, plainly due to the layoffs & continued foreclosures, it was not used as the song and dance we got promised. I think the banks do not want to reveal what they did with OUR money because they do not want to anger the public. They do not want to anger the public because their stock prices would fall before it was safe for them to sell their investments without being accused of insider trading. I hope the SEC is watching.

SHOW ME THE MONEY
 
AP study finds $1.6B went to bailed-out bank execs

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D9575TMG0.html

By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH

Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages.

Benefits included cash bonuses, stock options, personal use of company jets and chauffeurs, home security, country club memberships and professional money management, the AP review of federal securities documents found.

The total amount given to nearly 600 executives would cover bailout costs for many of the 116 banks that have so far accepted tax dollars to boost their bottom lines.

Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee and a long-standing critic of executive largesse, said the bonuses tallied by the AP review amount to a bribe "to get them to do the jobs for which they are well paid in the first place.

"Most of us sign on to do jobs and we do them best we can," said Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat. "We're told that some of the most highly paid people in executive positions are different. They need extra money to be motivated!"

The AP compiled total compensation based on annual reports that the banks file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The 116 banks have so far received $188 billion in taxpayer help. Among the findings:

_The average paid to each of the banks' top executives was $2.6 million in salary, bonuses and benefits.

_Lloyd Blankfein, president and chief executive officer of Goldman Sachs, took home nearly $54 million in compensation last year. The company's top five executives received a total of $242 million.

This year, Goldman will forgo cash and stock bonuses for its seven top-paid executives. They will work for their base salaries of $600,000, the company said. Facing increasing concern by its own shareholders on executive payments, the company described its pay plan last spring as essential to retain and motivate executives "whose efforts and judgments are vital to our continued success, by setting their compensation at appropriate and competitive levels." Goldman spokesman Ed Canaday declined to comment beyond that written report.

The New York-based company on Dec. 16 reported its first quarterly loss since it went public in 1999. It received $10 billion in taxpayer money on Oct. 28.

_Even where banks cut back on pay, some executives were left with seven- or eight-figure compensation that most people can only dream about. Richard D. Fairbank, the chairman of Capital One Financial Corp. (COF) (COF), took a $1 million hit in compensation after his company had a disappointing year, but still got $17 million in stock options. The McLean, Va.-based company received $3.56 billion in bailout money on Nov. 14.

_John A. Thain, chief executive officer of Merrill Lynch, topped all corporate bank bosses with $83 million in earnings last year. Thain, a former chief operating officer for Goldman Sachs, took the reins of the company in December 2007, avoiding the blame for a year in which Merrill lost $7.8 billion. Since he began work late in the year, he earned $57,692 in salary, a $15 million signing bonus and an additional $68 million in stock options.

Like Goldman, Merrill got $10 billion from taxpayers on Oct. 28.

The AP review comes amid sharp questions about the banks' commitment to the goals of the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP), a law designed to buy bad mortgages and other troubled assets. Last month, the Bush administration changed the program's goals, instructing the Treasury Department to pump tax dollars directly into banks in a bid to prevent wholesale economic collapse.

The program set restrictions on some executive compensation for participating banks, but did not limit salaries and bonuses unless they had the effect of encouraging excessive risk to the institution. Banks were barred from giving golden parachutes to departing executives and deducting some executive pay for tax purposes.

Banks that got bailout funds also paid out millions for home security systems, private chauffeured cars, and club dues. Some banks even paid for financial advisers. Wells Fargo of San Francisco, which took $25 billion in taxpayer bailout money, gave its top executives up to $20,000 each to pay personal financial planners.

At Bank of New York Mellon Corp. (BK), chief executive Robert P. Kelly's stipend for financial planning services came to $66,748, on top of his $975,000 salary and $7.5 million bonus. His car and driver cost $178,879. Kelly also received $846,000 in relocation expenses, including help selling his home in Pittsburgh and purchasing one in Manhattan, the company said.

Goldman Sachs' tab for leased cars and drivers ran as high as $233,000 per executive. The firm told its shareholders this year that financial counseling and chauffeurs are important in giving executives more time to focus on their jobs.

JPMorgan Chase chairman James Dimon ran up a $211,182 private jet travel tab last year when his family lived in Chicago and he was commuting to New York. The company got $25 billion in bailout funds.

Banks cite security to justify personal use of company aircraft for some executives. But Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., questioned that rationale, saying executives visit many locations more vulnerable than the nation's security-conscious commercial air terminals.

Sherman, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said pay excesses undermine development of good bank economic policies and promote an escalating pay spiral among competing financial institutions - something particularly hard to take when banks then ask for rescue money.

He wants them to come before Congress, like the automakers did, and spell out their spending plans for bailout funds.

"The tougher we are on the executives that come to Washington, the fewer will come for a bailout," he said.

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I read that on Comcast the other day. I guess we always knew the execs would make sure they took care of themselves. Even if they were to see some jail time, they would get out and live quite well off funds that they have squirreled away in off-shore bank accounts.

There are lots of execs and politicians who are to blame and none of them will go away broke. It will be interesting to see how society deals with them, especially if the government does not.
 
I hope they all do and also hope they make lots of new friends while they're there! All named Bubba
That's usually my line. :thumbsup2

The banks that were bailed out are publicly traded. They will have to disclose how the money was used in their SEC filings, their annual reports and their proxy statements.

I'm all for stockholders holding executives accountable and giving them whatever salaries are deemed fit for the companies' performance. However, like with welfare, I think that once you start using the public's dime, you should be accountable to the public. We should be able to tell the executives what pay they will receive during the bailout period with a stipulation on what bonuses they can receive when the company has regained its solvency... then the stockholders can take over again.

What I'm angry about in the whole banking debacle is that the feds watch over the banks and examine their books. How did no one recognize the problem and scream to high heaven about what was happening? Aside from the executives serving jail time, a good look should be made at the executives who oversee the examination teams at the Fed, OCC, FDIC, OTS, etc. There should be some Bubba roommates waiting for them, too.
 


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