Bad experience with Airtran!--long

slbeaute

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This was our first flight with Airtran and we will not be flying with them again. We flew out of DFW.

On our trip out, we had what I thought was a small plane that appeared very worn and needed some updating. We were very squished for space. I'm glad my husband was next to me because I would want to be quite that close to a stranger! We had brought my DD's car seat with us. They checked for the appropriate sticker when we boarded the plane. We were the only three on our side, no other seats. We harnessed the seat in the middle seat and got everything settled. Now, keep in mind we were the second group to board. We had been sitting buckled in and settled for quite some time with the flight attendants walking by. Just as everyone has boarded and we're getting ready to taxi, an attendant comes by and informs us that he doesn't think his supervisor will allow the seat to remain in the middle seat. He goes to get her and she is the one that checked our seat when we boarded. She says "Oh no! She can't sit there. You'll have to move it." She went on to talk about safety etc. That's fine, but why wreen't we told about this when we boarded or the whole time we were sitting there ready? We have to stand up and switch everything around in this tight space with everyone giving us that "You're holding us up" look.

We are a little annoyed, but forget about it. The rest of the flight is OK except for the close space. When we land and pick up the luggage, one piece is damaged. They apparently set the luggage on the track at some point and it just peeled the corner coating right down to the metal. We went directly to the counter to report it and ask about it. Very rude customer service agent. He told us it was older so he could give us a $25 gift certificate, get this, for use at the Airtran store! How many of you shop for things with an airline logo on them? When DH says he would rather have cash, he says in that case he can only give us 2 or 3 dollars! He wouldn't budge or try to make us feel better. We were given the 1 800 number to call with complaints.

We had a lovely trip and were anticipating a similar ride back. This plane was much better. It was larger and had much newer and cleaner interiors. There was a little more space, but not much. Overall the attendants were much nicer and more professional.

Again, we had problems as soon as we arrived. When we went to the baggage claim, they came over the speaker and said it would be a little while because they had two flights come in at once. That's fine, things happen. We landed at 10:00; at 10:40 no one on our plane had any luggage yet and the belt stops. My DH went to the baggage counter to ask what happened. He was told the same thing and he asked to speak to a supervisor. This man was extremely rude. He told DH that he had 2 choices...we could just stay here and wait for our luggage if we wanted it tonight or go home and come back and get it tomorrow! Seriously! And this was not said in a nice way. My husband asked if there was anyone else he could talk to. The supervisor then writes down a number for him to call, starts to pass it to him, takes it back, and then writes the 1-800-Airtran down and hands it to him being a real jerk. DH is very upset by now because it is close to 11 at night and we really should have been home with DD3 by now. He walks out the door of the office and mutters a term for a donkey as he is leaving. He admits he shoudln't have; he was just very upset and frustrated and tired by now. About five minutes later, the supervisor leaves his office, walks through the baggage area and gets in my husband's face! Everyone was just shocked. I'm standing there with DD3 and this grown man is literally in my husband's face saying things and trying to start a fight! It looked like the guys you see in college bars just trying to start something! His fists are clenched, he's red in the face, about 6 inches from DH's face and yelling! Very scary and ridiculous! I seriously doubt working with travelers that's the worst thing he's ever heard. My husband can admit that in the heat of the moment he said something inappropriate. The thing is, this guy actually had to take the time to wait in his office and then DECIDE to come out and try to start a fight! This is a supervisor! When he didn't get it, he turned around and went back into his office in the far back. More and more people are going into the office to inquire about our luggage now. You could tell by body movement that they were having some heated conversations! The supervisor dissappeared after coming after my husband and we didn't see him the rest of the night. Finally at 11:05, our luggage comes. This is an hour after our flight landed. And here is how "nice" they are to their customers. They start running two belts opposite each other with the luggage. All of these families with kids that are tired or falling asleep or running around and we are having to dart between two different belts to get our luggage!

It was an unbelievable night. We will never fly them again. My husband worked today, but will call the 800 number tomorrow. I'm pretty sure nothing will be done about it. We've flown Southwest and Delta before so it's not like we are used to flying first class or anything. We will definitely pay more money next time to fly with a different airline. I've read many good reviews about Airtran before, but many people I spoke with last night thought differently. Several who had flown with them before said it was always something with them. The only reason they flew them again was cost. If you're flying out of DFW, I would be wary.
 
OmGosh. I am so sorry this happened to you. I hope you have more success w/ the 800 # now that you're home.
 
Sorry to hear about your experience. I believe the FAA requires car seats to be in the window seat in case of an evaculation, so it would not block the way out.
 
I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience with airtran. Please keep us updated on how the call to the 800# goes. We were planning on flying with them next September.
 

I believe the FAA requires car seats to be in the window seat in case of an evaculation, so it would not block the way out. DebbieB

Totally understand that and am all for it. We just didn't understand why no one mentioned this to us. I thoroughly read the material they e-mailed and the advice and rules on their website before we went and couldn't find much on carseats. I assumed if there were any special instructions, they would have told us when we boarded while they were checking for the approved sticker. Even so, that was a minor annoyance and not a big deal at the time. Things just kept happening culminating in our experience last night. While waiting for our airport shuttle, I thought I was going to cry. I told DH "I want to go back to Disney where everyone is nice and you're taken care of." :guilty:
 
I have flown Airtran many, many times, but ONLY because they are the least expensive. Their customer service leaves a lot to be desired. On our flight there was a lot of turbulence and my DD6 told me she thought she was going to be sick. When she says this she means it so I was trying to rush her to the bathroom. A flight attendant practically attacked me and told me the fasten seatbelt sign was on and we needed to sit back down. I told her my daughter was going to be sick and she wouldn't budge. My daughter threw up in the ailse. I felt so bad for everyone around us, but mostly bad for my little one. She was crying and so upset, she was mortified! I also had the strap from my bag ripped off and was offered $7 as compensation. If it weren't for the great deals I would never fly them again. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience as well, hope you get something by calling the 800 number.
 
I was about to make a reservation with Air Tran. I think I will wait and see what happens with your phone call.
 
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DebbieB said:
I believe the FAA requires car seats to be in the window seat in case of an evaculation, so it would not block the way out.
That's essentially correct.

The FAA rule is that the car seat may not occupy the space between a customer and an aisle. If the window seat were unassigned and empty, the car seat could go into the middle seat. On a twin-aisle aircraft, such as a 767 or A340, the car seat can go into the center section between the two aisles.

However, on a full, single-aisle aircraft, the car seat can, in fact, only comply with the FAA rule by going into a window seat.
 
I'm really sad about how you were treated! I hope you got that "supervisor's" name! It really surprises me because we've flown AirTran many times and never had anything really bad happen. Once we were bumped because they had overbooked (it was Christmas), but they took very good care of us (two RT tickets EACH plus hotel and a meal coupon) -- we've learned since to never go to the airport with out pre-printing our boarding passes.

I think the only thing I would use that phone number for would be to get an address for the president of the company. I would write a letter and be very specific about names, times and places and ask for a response. There is no way any customer should ever be treated the way that guy treated your husband.

When I was in retail we used to rue "Murphy's Law"... hundred's of customers we did everything right, they had a perfect experience. But if anything went wrong it always turned out that 2 or 3 or 4 things would go wrong -- all to the same customer. WHY??? I think you were more than patient and understanding through it all, but even if you had been rude, there would have been no excuse what so ever for his behavior! Please report him... for all of us who like to fly AirTran!! God forbid he get's transfered to Orlando!!

So glad you had a great trip while you were there!
 
Stitch1404 said:
I have flown Airtran many, many times, but ONLY because they are the least expensive. Their customer service leaves a lot to be desired. On our flight there was a lot of turbulence and my DD6 told me she thought she was going to be sick. When she says this she means it so I was trying to rush her to the bathroom. A flight attendant practically attacked me and told me the fasten seatbelt sign was on and we needed to sit back down. I told her my daughter was going to be sick and she wouldn't budge. My daughter threw up in the ailse. I felt so bad for everyone around us, but mostly bad for my little one. She was crying and so upset, she was mortified! I also had the strap from my bag ripped off and was offered $7 as compensation. If it weren't for the great deals I would never fly them again. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience as well, hope you get something by calling the 800 number.

I was on a Northwest flight 2 weeks ago where a guy made a mad dash for the bathroom shortly after takeoff and didn't make it, ended up spraying 3 rows of people. :guilty: Everyone wanted to know why didn't he use the little bag in the seatback?

The flight attendent's job is to ensure passenger's safety. If the plane was in turbulance and the seatbelt sign was on, it wasn't safe for you to dash to the bathroom no matter the circumstances. Not only could you and your daughter get hurt, but you could fall on others.
 
Horace Horsecollar said:
That's essentially correct.

The FAA rule is that the car seat may not occupy the space between a customer and an aisle. If the window seat were unassigned and empty, the car seat could go into the middle seat. On a twin-aisle aircraft, such as a 767 or A340, the car seat can go into the center section between the two aisles.

However, on a full, single-aisle aircraft, the car seat can, in fact, only comply with the FAA rule by going into a window seat.

Hmm. This makes sence. But why did they let us fly with DD in carseat in the center seat both down & back? Somebody sleeping on the job?
 
slbeaute said:
he thing is, this guy actually had to take the time to wait in his office and then DECIDE to come out and try to start a fight!
I wasn't there and I'm not defending the supervisor, merely presenting some possibilities... first, he may have waited in his office for five minutes trying NOT to come out and 'get into it' with your husband; and again, not defending him, but generally shift-work is 7-3, 3-11 and 11-7 - so it's extremely likely he was at the end of a LONNNNNNNNNG stressful day. Yes, he was ABSOLUTELY wrong to confront your DH, but try looking at it from the other side.

Stitch1404 said:
A flight attendant practically attacked me and told me the fasten seatbelt sign was on and we needed to sit back down.
That's most likely an FAA rule, for the safety of the passengers and flight crew (and almost 100 years after the invention of the airplane, most people have forgotten that the primary responsibility of Flight Attendants is safety); and as unpleasant as it is, there are generally 'barf bags' in the seatback pockets.

Rella Bella said:
When I was in retail we used to rue "Murphy's Law"... hundred's of customers we did everything right, they had a perfect experience. But if anything went wrong it always turned out that 2 or 3 or 4 things would go wrong -- all to the same customer. WHY???
If one or two 'little' things go wrong (e.g. the add-on strap on my rolling luggage is missing and there's a streak of dirt or grease on the outside), I may grumble but figure it's not worth making an issue of - dirt happens, and it's my fault for leaving the strap on in the first place. But if the zipper's broken too, and there's a rip along one side, yes, I'm going to make an issue of all four problems.
 
Quite frankly, I don't understand your complaints (and no I am not an Air Tran fan).

We harnessed the seat in the middle seat...She says "Oh no! She can't sit there. You'll have to move it." She went on to talk about safety etc. That's fine, but why wreen't we told about this when we boarded

Child safety seats MUST be placed at the window. You should have known this. And it's likely the flight attendants were kind of busy as PAX were boarding and didn't notice what you were doing. You might want to review this:

http://www.airsafe.com/kidsafe/faa_brochure.pdf

It's too bad that your luggage was damaged, but your bag has to really be totaled before the airline will give you a new bag. Usually broken locks, small tears, scrapes, etc. are considered normal wear and tear with no compensation from the airline.

DH is very upset by now because it is close to 11 at night and we really should have been home with DD3 by now. He walks out the door of the office and mutters a term for a donkey as he is leaving.

And you expected the baggage claim personnel to try and help you after this?

Your flight home with the baggage delay was nothing unusual. I agree that waiting an hour for baggage is a drag, but it happens. Your husband needs to learn to control his temper.
 
juligrl said:
Hmm. This makes sence. But why did they let us fly with DD in carseat in the center seat both down & back? Somebody sleeping on the job?
Yes. Somebody was sleeping on the job.
 
lost*in*cyberspace said:
Quite frankly, I don't understand your complaints (and no I am not an Air Tran fan).



Child safety seats MUST be placed at the window. You should have known this. And it's likely the flight attendants were kind of busy as PAX were boarding and didn't notice what you were doing. You might want to review this:

http://www.airsafe.com/kidsafe/faa_brochure.pdf

It's too bad that your luggage was damaged, but your bag has to really be totaled before the airline will give you a new bag. Usually broken locks, small tears, scrapes, etc. are considered normal wear and tear with no compensation from the airline.



And you expected the baggage claim personnel to try and help you after this?

Your flight home with the baggage delay was nothing unusual. I agree that waiting an hour for baggage is a drag, but it happens. Your husband needs to learn to control his temper.

I tend to agree. Many of your instances are a normal part of air flight. It does not excuse an Airtran employee losing control of his emotions. Your husband should have also controlled his. That Airtran employee had probably dealt with a lot of not so nice people by that time of night, not to excuse his loss of control.

We waited at MCO well over an hour, closer to an hour and a half for our baggage, yet I never once considered complaining to the airline. What do you expect, the airline to run out and get your bags for you? There are tons of flights and thousands of travelers in an airport at one time. Too many people think they are the only ones there and need to be taken care of, right now.

Next time, relax, your bags will come, things will work out and your trip will be wonderful. One of my favorite parts of travel is the air travel. I don't go into things expecting perfection as these folks are doing the best they can.

I am flying Airtran in October and have no worries. The stuff you wrote about can happen on any airline at any time. Not a great way to start and end a trip in your case, but a deep breath would have taken you a lot farther..... and probably would have made things a lot better for you.

Duds
 
dudspizza said:
We waited at MCO well over an hour, closer to an hour and a half for our baggage, yet I never once considered complaining to the airline. What do you expect, the airline to run out and get your bags for you? There are tons of flights and thousands of travelers in an airport at one time. Too many people think they are the only ones there and need to be taken care of, right now.
Reading about waiting an hour at MCO baggage claim makes me glad that we now have Disney's Magical Express. Oh, how I like being able to bypass baggage claim.

Now if we could only bypass baggage claim when we return to Chicago-O'Hare!
 
Waiting 45 minutes to an hour for luggage in the Pittsburgh airport is the norm. The local news station even did a story on it a month or so back, why it continually takes so long to get your luggage here.

Air Tran customer service is lacking though. Even though your DH called that man a "donkey" it gives him no right to do what he did. Please, working with the public is tolerance. Yea, your DH shouldn't have said that, but that so-called supervisor was way out of line.

When arriving at MCO once it was pouring down rain. DD's stroller was in the belly of the plane. Well they unloaded it,opened it and let it sit, in the rain. Her stroller was no lie, dripping. Everyone's else was basically dry because they were kept folded. Customer Service wanted us to leave it, them dry it out and then for us to come back and get it and they brought out some old grungy thing they wanted us to use until ours was ready. Uhh don't think so. No apology or anything.
 
I'm so sorry you were treated this way. We, too, had an awful experience with AirTran (not once, but TWICE!) and their customer service still leaves a LOT to be desired. Good Luck with your call to the 1-800 number. I'd be interested to see if they can do anything for you...
 
Child safety seats MUST be placed at the window. You should have known this. And it's likely the flight attendants were kind of busy as PAX were boarding and didn't notice what you were doing. You might want to review this:

Well, I'm not the OP, but I didn't know that carseats had to be next to the window. I've flown with up to three kids, over the last 14 years, at least once a year, usually more often.

Air Trans website has a section for FAQ's, which includes a section for kids, with no info about this. They also have a section for special needs, (ie people with disabilities) and I checked there, just in case.

I know when I fly, I specifically read the website of that airline, to check a variety of info. If the info is not there, I don't think it's fair to assume "you should no know this"

JMHO

Julia
 
Thanks for posting this thread (and the person who also linked to a bad experience with airtran). A couple of times on our recent trips we almost went with airtran when doing our flights but decided against it. I know for SURE we won't ever use airtran- we'll be flying in/out of DFW also and that means we could end up with that same supervisor! Yes, your husband shouldn't have used that word but your husband is not being PAID to control his temper like the supervisor is- and he went way further than using a word (for instance if he'd called your husband something when he walked out and said that- I could "maybe" forgive that little slip- but coming out there and screaming at him with fists wanting to fight? Totally uncalled for and unprofessional!)

Also I've flown I can't count how many times in/out of DFW (that's the airport nearest us in Texas) and always with Delta or AA- and never have waited more than 10-15min tops for our luggage. I realize their might be delays- but likewise the supervisors should be prepared for cranky customers if they have to wait over an hour that late at night for their luggage. Whether they should be cranky or not- is besides the point, people are GOING to be cranky that late at night and just wanting their luggage. Leave it and come back? Yeah right... I'd never do that!

I've never had my luggage damaged more than a scratch or smudge- it doesn't have to be "par for the course" to have your luggage that damaged unless people are just being rough with them. I've never waited longer than 15min or so at MCO for our luggage either. Gosh guess I should consider us lucky. I think unless they gave some explanation I'd be a little peeved to wait over and hour for luggage. If it's on the same airplane- why would it take an hour to get it off the airplane?
 














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