Attack of the Lakeshore Lodge

[maui22]

Maybe I’ve missed some updates but isn’t it west of the Port-Cochere (towards MK) that’s rumoured to be DVC-side, and east of it (towards Pioneer Hall) that’s hotel?

Would be interesting to see a Club Level DVC offering come back, which they haven’t offered since Jambo House. It would also be an added use for the space during the day.
Then again it seems like the kind of space they ~could- have done a prix-fixe fireworks view restaurant at too.

I haven’t followed closely on what is DVC and what is hotel.

I have my doubts on DVC club. Disney has resisted it since the Jambo conversion. I suspect they do not see recurring revenue for DVC concierge. Sell it once is great. But such a small number can book it.

I could see the hotel side having a club level here because that generates them revenue at so many deluxe hotels.

 

[Sandisw]

I haven’t followed closely on what is DVC and what is hotel.

I have my doubts on DVC club. Disney has resisted it since the Jambo conversion. I suspect they do not see recurring revenue for DVC concierge. Sell it once is great. But such a small number can book it.

I could see the hotel side having a club level here because that generates them revenue at so many deluxe hotels.

And the only reason AKV has it is because they were taking the rooms on the both the 5th and 6th floor, and 6th floor where the lounge is located. .

Had the lounge been on floor 4, AKV would not have it.

 

[Cfabar1]

I haven’t followed closely on what is DVC and what is hotel.

I have my doubts on DVC club. Disney has resisted it since the Jambo conversion. I suspect they do not see recurring revenue for DVC concierge. Sell it once is great. But such a small number can book it.

I could see the hotel side having a club level here because that generates them revenue at so many deluxe hotels.

What I am surprised they have not created is a DVC "CL add on" subject to availability where families could pay say, $150-200/day to "plus up" their DVC stay and access the club levels at various resorts... Their market research must indicate that the intersection between those who would purchase DVC and be okay with limited service throughout their stay and those who demand club level convenience is not enough to offer such an offering or there are too many who might be interested in partaking in such an offering...

 

[Mouseforward]

What I am surprised they have not created is a DVC "CL add on" subject to availability where families could pay say, $150-200/day to "plus up" their DVC stay and access the club levels at various resorts... Their market research must indicate that the intersection between those who would purchase DVC and be okay with limited service throughout their stay and those who demand club level convenience is not enough to offer such an offering or there are too many who might be interested in partaking in such an offering...

Or we are overestimating the coordination between the " left hand" hotel revenue from CL and the "right hand" DVC sales. Are the two parts working together? Assuming that any concierge service would be hotel revenue not DVC.

 

[zavandor]

For every new resort, there is always speculation about CL. It has never happened since AKL, it seems DVC doesn't like it and probably it will never happen again.

 

[Cfabar1]

Or we are overestimating the coordination between the " left hand" hotel revenue from CL and the "right hand" DVC sales. Are the two parts working together? Assuming that any concierge service would be hotel revenue not DVC.

Without seeing the org chart, there is likely someone who calls the shots at both of those divisions at some point... If they felt there was enough of a profit motive, it would happen.

 

[Sandisw]

Or we are overestimating the coordination between the " left hand" hotel revenue from CL and the "right hand" DVC sales. Are the two parts working together? Assuming that any concierge service would be hotel revenue not DVC.

There is no income from CL for AKV owners. While the lounge itself is a limited common element of AKV, the hotel side pretty much runs it.

The POS for AKV gives more details.

 

[Mikey15]

I’m unfamiliar with how it works in practice with AKV CL.

In theory, left hand (hotel) could bill the right hand (condominium association) for operating the club lounge, and right hand (condo association) includes that as part of the costs covered by owner dues. DVD theoretically makes a one-time cut by having a higher base of points to sell (points for Club Level rooms being additive to what the points chart would be otherwise).

But it wouldn’t be ongoing revenue for DVD any way that I can think of. And I’m not sure if hotel-side could charge enough above cost for operating it to make it worth their while?

 

[Sandisw]

I’m unfamiliar with how it works in practice with AKV CL.

In theory, left hand (hotel) could bill the right hand (condominium association) for operating the club lounge, and right hand (condo association) includes that as part of the costs covered by owner dues. DVD theoretically makes a one-time cut by having a higher base of points to sell (points for Club Level rooms being additive to what the points chart would be otherwise).

But it wouldn’t be ongoing revenue for DVD any way that I can think of. And I’m not sure if hotel-side could charge enough above cost for operating it to make it worth their while?

The POS gives insight into how it works. It’s spells it out in terms of how the hotel side handles things and if they decide to stop offering CL to their guest, then DVD can elect to close the lounge and the extra points from the CL rooms get allocated back to the rest of the resort.

Each pays their own share.

 

[PolyRob]

The POS gives insight into how it works. It’s spells it out in terms of how the hotel side handles things and if they decide to stop offering CL to their guest, then DVD can elect to close the lounge and the extra points from the CL rooms get allocated back to the rest of the resort.

Each pays their own share.

Funny how the rules about not feeding animals comes RIGHT after the club lounge