Article on tipping on Cruise ships(Orlando paper)

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This article was in the Orlando paper on some Cruiselines going to automatic tipping.;)

The link won't work.....so here it is below.............


Lines move toward automatic tips


John Williams of Hermosa Beach, Calif., was dismayed when he learned that Princess Cruises would automatically charge him $10 a day for gratuities on his Mexican Riviera sail in April.

"Maybe I'm 'old school,' " he says in an e-mail, "but I don't think tipping should be automatic. . . . I think that tipping should be a reward for service [that] truly is above and beyond."

But after talking to waiters and his room steward on his cruise, he changed his mind. "They were all strongly in favor of automatic tipping," he says, "because so often they get stiffed."

An increasing number of cruise companies are adopting so-called automatic gratuity programs. The companies say such programs spare passengers the confusion of figuring out who gets what and the hassle of juggling money. Cynics may suspect the real purpose is to shanghai your wallet, but in fact, the amounts charged are close to what travel agents recommend customers tip anyway.

The confusion about cruise tipping is understandable. There are headwaiters, waiters, assistant waiters, cabin stewards and others who may expect gratuities -- or not. Some cruise lines, especially luxury ones, discourage tips. As recently as 2½ years ago, Seabourn Cruise Line staff members could be fired for accepting tips, says spokesman Bruce Good. Now they may accept them but can be fired for soliciting them.

Alas, not all cruise lines that encourage tipping recommend the same amounts, and the job titles of the crew may vary too. But most suggestions are in these ranges, per passenger per day: Cabin steward/stewardess/attendant, $3 to $4; waiter/server, $3 to $4; assistant waiter/busboy, $1.50 to $2.50; headwaiter/head server, 50 cents to $1.

Tips at the spa and are typically 15 percent to 20 percent of the cost of the service.

Some cruise lines recommend adding lesser amounts for an assortment of other staffers, such as the maitre d' and table captain, but there's little consensus on these practices. "If the maitre d' has done absolutely nothing for me, and I've never seen him, I don't tip him," says Judy Lucas, manager of Concierge Cruises and Tours, a travel agency near Tucson, Ariz. It annoys her that automatic gratuity programs may include such employees regardless, but she notes that the typical $10-per-day total per passenger is not far off what you should leave anyway.

Bartenders are a special case. Many lines automatically include 15 percent for service in the bar bill, meaning you needn't tip. If you're unsure, ask. Lucas and others suggest you may want to tip a bartender at the end of the cruise anyway if he or she has served you frequently.

Passengers traditionally leave tips in envelopes on the last night of the cruise, which can lead to quite a backup at the purser's desk. With automatic gratuity programs, you avoid that, obviously. But an important point about such programs is that you usually can opt out of them or increase or decrease the amounts by notifying the purser once you're on board. You don't have to do it their way.

Your best sources for tipping guidelines on your particular cruise are travel agents and the line you book. Here's a roundup of some lines' general practices. (All amounts are stated per passenger per day, unless otherwise noted.)


Carnival: The line has an automatic gratuity program (which it calls a "reverse gratuity program") on 10 of its 16 ships, with a daily charge of $9.75. The company hopes to expand the program fleetwide within a year, says spokeswoman Jennifer de la Cruz. In alternate dining rooms (outside the main one), the reservation fee includes a tip. Bar bills include a 15 percent gratuity.


Costa: On Caribbean cruises, the suggestion is $3 each for steward and waiter, $1.50 assistant waiter, $1 headwaiter. On European cruises, the amounts are $1.50 steward, $2.50 waiter, $2.50 "assistant waiter team," 50 cents for maitre d' and "headwaiter team." Bar bills include 15 percent gratuity.


Cunard: An automatic gratuity program, begun in 2000, charges $7 on Caronia and $11 to $13 on the Queen Elizabeth 2, depending on cabin category. Bar bills include a 15 percent gratuity.


Crystal: The line suggests $4 each for stewardess and waiter in the main dining room; $2.50 assistant waiter, $4 for butler (penthouse only); an additional $6 per meal for alternate restaurants. Passengers can tip in advance when they book the cruise. Bar bills include 15 percent gratuity.


Disney: The line gives suggestions by length of cruise; on average per day, about $3.60 for steward, $3.70 server, $2.70 assistant server, 90 cents head server. You can tip in advance, as do about half the guests, a spokeswoman says. Bar bills include 15 percent gratuity.


Holland America: Advertises a "tipping not required" policy and declines to suggest amounts. "You're free to tip if you feel it's warranted," spokesman Erik Elvejord says. "To be honest, most people do tip." Bar bills do not include gratuity.


Norwegian: Automatic gratuity program charges $10 per day for ages 13 and older, $5 for children 3 to 12, no charge younger than 3. Bar bills include 15 percent gratuity.


Princess: Automatic gratuity program fleetwide charges $10 per day; the final two ships added to the program in July were the Royal Princess and the Regal Princess. Bar bills include 15 percent gratuity.


Radisson Seven Seas: No tipping is expected. But "if someone has gone out of their way or been extra nice, people do tip," says spokeswoman Brina Anelli, adding that she has sometimes seen crew members decline tips.


Royal Caribbean: It suggests $3.50 each for waiter and steward, $2 assistant waiter, 75 cents headwaiter. Passengers can tip automatically by asking at guest relations (purser) when they board. Bar bills include 15 percent gratuity.


Seabourn: "Tipping is neither required nor expected," the line's Internet site says. "Our staff doesn't expect it . . . and we pay them well," spokesman Good says. But he adds: "If the guest wants to give a tip, who are we to say no?"


Silversea: "No gratuities are required or expected" on this luxury line, where fares can average $800 per day and up, says spokesman Brad Ball. Passengers can tip if they want, "but we don't encourage it," even for spa treatments, he adds.


Windstar: The line advertises a "tipping not required" policy on its Internet site. "Gratuities are not encouraged at all," sales coordinator Jordan Marona says. "But if people want to tip, that's their prerogative."

Jane Engle is a writer for the Los Angeles Times, a Tribune Publishing newspaper.
 
DreamsDoComeTrue,

I copied and pasted the article. For some reason the link wouldn't work.:D
 
Thanks Nick and Cindy. That's very interesting to see the comparisons.
My best scenario would be that all staff IS paid well, and we can tip extra for great service. Leaving it up to the passengers to supply a great percentage of their income isn't fair to the workers, considering that they are often stiffed. JMHO
 

It's unfortunate that so often these hardworking people get stiffed. However,with automatic tipping, where is the incentive to give truly outstanding service when an employee knows that they will be receiving "x" amount at the end of a cruise? :confused:
 
This is definitely a fine line. I agree with alexandrew...it's a shame when those who do a good or exceptional job don't get a tip, but the automatic gratuities take away some incentive. I guess I would rather see auto gratuities because I've never had a case where I've tipped below the recommended minimum. Also, I am not a shy person, and if I did not feel that someone deserved the tip, I would not hesitate to dispute it. But I know that some people are not comfortable being put in that position. I guess there is no "perfect" way of doing this, but I wouldn't mind an auto gratuity and I would still tip above that amount for exceptional service. We go to a lot of dude ranches, and the addition of at least 10 percent for tips is mandatory at most that we've been to.
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I think gratuities should be left to encourage above average service.... that's what they are for... gratitude! It's up to the cruise line to pay these people and it's unfair to us and the employees to be expected to pay their salaries outta cash onboard. I'm all for tipping but we pay the cruiseline for our cruise and they should be paying their employees! :Pinkbounc
 
Automatic tipping huh? Why don't they just add however much the amount is to your cruise fare, and give it to the staff rather than make you stand in line again?

I usually tip well when we go out when we recieve good service, but I'm not shy about calling people on the carpet when they're falling down on their job.

Once upon a time, Disney was a no tipping zone.
Ahhh the good old days.
 
It is just a guess, but maybe the reason they want to label it an "automatic gratuity" versus raising their cruise cost is it won't be listed as income for Disney?

I think it is fine to do it automatically, as long as the passenger has the option of filing a formal complaint before the end of the cruise and lowering the amount. That way, it still encourages the striving for excellent service.
 
In the time between my second and third cruises on the Norway, the cruise line (NCL) instituted automatic gratuities, and in my opinion, the service went straight downhill...... I remember having to wait at least 20 minutes to receive a drink I ordered by the pool. Not my idea of good (or even mediocre) service!! That was the last time I ordered anything from one of the "roving" bar staff.

I would be totally against automatic gratuities, unless I have the option of lowering the amount. Since I know that the crew members depend on tips for a great majority of their income, I tend to tip more for good service.
 
Originally posted by dc21
I think gratuities should be left to encourage above average service.... that's what they are for... gratitude! It's up to the cruise line to pay these people and it's unfair to us and the employees to be expected to pay their salaries outta cash onboard. I'm all for tipping but we pay the cruiseline for our cruise and they should be paying their employees! :Pinkbounc

No flame intended, but if they paid the crew more, they would charge more for the cruise to the passengers, so you're going to pay one way or the other.

Anne
 
I think the cruise industry has completely lost the meaning of tipping. It is meant as a reward for good service -- it certainly was never meant to be an automatic payment. IMHO it stinks.
 

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