Are we crazy?????

Nicola2n

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. We’ve been intrigued by DVC since our first Disney trip four years ago. Since that time we’ve done five Disney trips and three Disney cruises. So we’ve been researching and reading and watching video after video. The thing is we keep coming back to the riviera. But I feel like we’re nuts. Resale restrictions, higher points per stay, higher maintenance fees...high price per point direct. I don’t know. I’m feeling like we are crazy for even considering this. Help!
 
I looked into it, and it's not for us. Too many restrictions on resale. If I make such a major investment, I would want to sell it if I wanted to or needed to.
 
No it’s not. I am a direct and resale owner and I added on at riviera this past December. I didn’t intend to just went on a tour at ssr for fun as I was curious. I love the room and it would be nice to have a hs/epcot resort.
I know resale restrictions may be worrisome but that’s how dvc resorts will be going forward. We are ccv, gcv (resale), and riviera owners. Prior to the whole riviera resale restrictions we bought dvc knowing anything can happen and dvc is not something one should anticipate getting their money back should they sell. Anything can happen with the L14 resale value from now until the deed expires. If I get something back should I need to sell great if I get back lesser than what I paid for initially that’s fine because what I paid for is building memories with my family and that’s priceless.
Each individual reason for purchasing dvc be it direct or resale is personal and I feel there is no right or wrong. What I feel may be right for me may not be for others. Just my 2 cents.

**edit** also forgot to add buy where you want to stay and don’t mind staying if you can’t switch resort 7 months out.
 
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I looked into it, and it's not for us. Too many restrictions on resale. If I make such a major investment, I would want to sell it if I wanted to or needed to.

The resale restriction will only have a major impact for the first five years or so. By that time, Reflections will be open, and the Disneyland DVC will probably be near opening.
 

The resale restriction will only have a major impact for the first five years or so. By that time, Reflections will be open, and the Disneyland DVC will probably be near opening.
How do you figure those resorts will lessen the impact of the resale restrictions? The restriction limits bookings to the home resort only.
 
I am not sure how those resorts opening (in case of the Disneyland dvc, I am quite sure that is still a big if) makes the impact on resale less. If anything, is just two more resorts you cannot stay at if you buy Riviera resale, which should depress the prices if they are great resorts. I generally wouldn't think the disneyland dvc has much of an effect either way.

To me the restrictions will be impacting resale to an unknown extent for 20+ years, or until the 2042 resorts are being resold etc. Before I continue my diatribe, I will preface everything I say by letting you know that literally no one listens to me so perhaps that says something about me moreso than everyone else who came on disboards, posted that they loved Riv but really weren't sure with the restrictions etc., and then bought anyway two days later. There are literally five threads exactly like this, and each time the person was, at least to me, pretty clearly looking for people to push them to buy. Which some did. Then they bought and that was that.

One positive thing is that, if you were going to buy direct, it is the only resort that makes any sense at all to me (and Disney has orchestrated that obviously). I would maybe wait to see a little more on whether the restrictions really hurt resale or not; I am not totally sure what the impact will be. Keep in mind, the intention of disney is to drastically reduce the value, so one way or another, they will continue to try and do that, even if the restrictions are not successful (do you want to own a product for 50 years run by such an entity?).

At the end of the day, whether to buy really depends how you view DVC. I view it as a way to save some money, given the fact that I will be going to disney at least 7-10 nights a year, or perhaps 5 out of six years, for the next 15-25 years in deluxe hotels (Disney deluxe) in a one or two bedroom. I already have the direct benefits so perhaps the situation does not match yours but, again, these 'benefits' are literally meaningless from a $ standpoint unless you are going twice a year for more than 6 days each time. In that case, at Riviera, you would probably need over 220 or more points a year, which will run you double what a contract at SSR would plus $2/pt/ in fees a year etc.- I understand Riv is a lot nicer, but there is no value in buying. Put another way, there is no difference, at least for the next 20 years, in just paying cash/renting points and having no obligations whatsoever to go; just don't undervalue that freedom. If you spent $15 grand on a membership then decided it wasn't for you after ten years and sold for a bit less than what you paid, you saved money on your vacations and got out ahead. If you spend $30k and can't easily sell without taking an absolute bath, you have now paid 3x what you otherwise would have and had 10x the headache, oh and you will definitely feel pressure to go every single year (depending on how many points you buy of course).

I would just be careful and really think about it before doing it. Those who argue they are buying it for their kids should also never use that as an excuse to overpay; kids don't like disney, kids get divorced, kids don't have money to pay, parents get divorced etc. I was happy my dad bought DVC, however if he would have invested the difference between buying RIV and SSR as in my example above, well let's just say I would rather have the $100,000+ and the SSR contract.

To me, Riviera does not fit into what I want DVC for, and you summed up the reasons. I am just not going to pay now for the promise to save money in years 22-? (assuming I even live that long) and I personally cannot understand why anyone would ever do that. When you add the restrictions that could crush resale value, I'd rather buy a 2042 resort and know exactly what I am getting and how much money I am saving or not, so I can make an informed decision. Until then I'd pay cash, rent points and sleep around a bit to see what you really like. It won't sell out in the next year so you have some time.

Good luck.
 
How do you figure those resorts will lessen the impact of the resale restrictions? The restriction limits bookings to the home resort only.

My logic is as follows. As Riveria sells out, and more resorts come online. Riviera is only accessible by 1.) Pre-2019 point holders; 2.) Direct Sales point holders; and 3.) Riveria point holders. The pre-2019 point holders will eventually dwindle. The Direct Sales Point Holders will pay more for Reflections. They will pay even more for Disneyland DVC. The cheapest way to stay at Riviera will be to buy direct from DVC for SS/OKW or Riviera, or purchase resale. However, SS/OKW does not guarantee availability at 11 months.

As costs for Disneyland DVC goes up, so does Reflections, and Riviera. When there is an increase for point costs for direct Riviera, there will also be an increase in point costs for resale market for Riviera.

The biggest driver will be if people want to stay at Riviera. If they don't, then you're sunk. However, it seems so far, that a fair number of people do.
 
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At the end of the day, whether to buy really depends how you view DVC. I view it as a way to save some money, given the fact that I will be going to disney at least 7-10 nights a year, or perhaps 5 out of six years, for the next 15-25 years in deluxe hotels (Disney deluxe) in a one or two bedroom. I already have the direct benefits so perhaps the situation does not match yours but, again, these 'benefits' are literally meaningless from a $ standpoint unless you are going twice a year for more than 6 days each time. In that case, at Riviera, you would probably need over 220 or more points a year, which will run you double what a contract at SSR would plus $2/pt/ in fees a year etc.- I understand Riv is a lot nicer, but there is no value in buying. Put another way, there is no difference, at least for the next 20 years, in just paying cash/renting points and having no obligations whatsoever to go; just don't undervalue that freedom. If you spent $15 grand on a membership then decided it wasn't for you after ten years and sold for a bit less than what you paid, you saved money on your vacations and got out ahead. If you spend $30k and can't easily sell without taking an absolute bath, you have now paid 3x what you otherwise would have and had 10x the headache, oh and you will definitely feel pressure to go every single year (depending on how many points you buy of course).

Good luck.

Boom goes the dynamite. Slow clap...Rock on.
 
I would recommend touring Riviera (the resort itself, not just the model rooms at SSR) before making your purchasing decision.

I spent an hour walking around Riviera last month, and was surprised by how compact the common space and facilities were. While all the amenities looked lovely, I felt the capacity was inadequate for a 500 room resort. Those leisurely scenes in the promo video were not happening. The cafe and quick service couldn't cope. There were long queues everywhere, even guests lining up to pose for photos on the swing chair.

As a resale and direct owner who decided that I'd add direct points if Disney built a resort I loved, restrictions notwithstanding, I wanted to love Riviera. Oh well, back to Epcot Gate Watch.
 
Maybe it’s just me, but I really don’t see the appeal of Riviera. It’s so small (the lobby is super tiny), it’s design to me is boring, it’s not an “Epcot” resort any more then AoA or Pop (not sure why people keep saying that) you have to take a not-super-short gondola there. Not to mention the Murphy beds that were literally falling off the walls. Besides the mosaic murals (which are beautiful) and the gondolas this resort really has nothing going for it imo. There are so many DVC resorts with better locations/park access (like walking distance) better themes and designs and much better prices that don’t have all of the restrictions. I personally don’t understand it, but everyone is different.
 
If you visit Riviera and love it and can view the entire cash point price as sunk cost - assuming you will get back a fraction of the cost of you sell - buy it.

Do not buy based on a bunch of YouTube.

Do not buy if you cannot view the $20k+ as sunk cost.
 
I don’t think it’s silly to consider DVC, It all depends on how you view its purpose,

Is it a way to prepay for future vacations, spending more upfront and then locking things in against the continually rise of hotel costs?

Do you view it as an asset that can be sold and you need to recoup the bulk of it back to make it worth it?

In terms of restrictions, yes, there are some. Only you can decide how those impact you as an owner, Buy a resale contract and you are locked out of RIV and future resorts, But, right now, you still have the L14 to stay at...and the 4 others not at WDW. That is a lot of options.

Buying it at RIV of course, makes the chances of losing money if one needs to sell down the road more likely because the buying pool is smaller, Do we know how low it will settle? No. But only you can decide if that matters, I bought all my DVC with the buy in cost as sunk and if I have to sell, anything I get back is a bonus,

I compared owning vs. cash for 5 years, and then 10 years, and assumed a loss of 50%. Back then, broke even at 5 years, and DVC better at 10 years.

I bought RIV and am okay with its loss. If you can be okay with then product DVC is today, and it fits your needs, then it’s definitely worth considering!
 
Everyone has different needs, likes, opinions, etc. We would recommend touring any resort one was interesting in buying.

If you buy with no intention of selling the next 5-10 years or so and you love the resort, you are not crazy. There are many first time buyers at Riviera wether or not they have stayed there, toured, etc. There are also many DVC members who have added on without visiting or touring. There are many reasons why one can be crazy. You need to do your homework/research. You don't want to say a year from now, I wish I knew this or that before buying.

You need to make sure you are happy staying here most of the time - this goes for any resort. The obvious negative is the resale restriction. If you are ok, comfortable with that, then you are not crazy.

Which ever resort you buy in, if you are buying direct and more than 50/100 points, make sure you split up your contract.

Good luck. Let keep us posted - inquiring minds wants to know :)
 
I know resale restrictions may be worrisome but that’s how dvc resorts will be going forward.

They wouldn't if people voted with their wallets though.

But just on this board there's so much FOMO with DVC (aka "addonitis") and existing owners posting about their justifications for buying Riviera. If educated owners are deciding to overlook the restrictions, and people coming in off the street aren't going to know any better, then I guess it is true that DVC policies will continue to become less and less owner friendly over time.
 
I wouldn't consider Disney cruises when purchasing DVC. The value isn't there to buy DVC and use the points for a cruise when you can often pay a lot less using cash and many travel agents will give you OBC, bringing your overall cost down even further.

Next thing to consider is how much you like staying in a DVC room and are you willing to book 11 months in advance to exactly what you want. I had a split stay once at VGC where I stayed in a DVC room and had to switch to a hotel room because DVC rooms weren't available my whole stay. I felt I had bad service on my DVC stay (but, it wasn't bad, just typical timeshare service) and really loved my twice daily housekeeping when I switched to a hotel room. I used to like timeshares because I had a kitchen and could make meals there, but I tired of that.

If you are sure that you always want to stay at Riviera and you are comfortable with the booking procedure, you can think of it as prepaid vacations. If your vacation preferences change (and they will), you can still likely rent out your timeshare for a few years while you determine if you want to keep it or not. Look ahead at the next 10, 15 or 20 years and project costs and how often you'd use your timeshare. It's easy for me to say that I need one right now, but when I project into the future, I find that I don't really need one.
 
They wouldn't if people voted with their wallets though.

But just on this board there's so much FOMO with DVC (aka "addonitis") and existing owners posting about their justifications for buying Riviera. If educated owners are deciding to overlook the restrictions, and people coming in off the street aren't going to know any better, then I guess it is true that DVC policies will continue to become less and less owner friendly over time.
To you the restrictions may be an issue. That’s fine. I already knew of the resale restrictions and the pros and cons resale versus direct. I am fine with that. That doesn’t mean buyers who are fine with the resale restrictions should be persecuted for adding on and be called uneducated. I agree with you that there may be many new owners that are not familiar with the restrictions and bought into dvc. However that will be on them too. Dvc is a big purchase (not an investment that one should expect to make money if one needs to sell) so obviously research needs to be done.
If you don’t like the restrictions that’s fine but you can expect everyone to feel the same way as you do. The same goes for there are dvc properties that people love and some not so much that doesn’t mean they are wrong.
 
To you the restrictions may be an issue. That’s fine. I already knew of the resale restrictions and the pros and cons resale versus direct. I am fine with that. That doesn’t mean buyers who are fine with the resale restrictions should be persecuted for adding on and be called uneducated. I agree with you that there may be many new owners that are not familiar with the restrictions and bought into dvc. However that will be on them too. Dvc is a big purchase (not an investment that one should expect to make money if one needs to sell) so obviously research needs to be done.
If you don’t like the restrictions that’s fine but you can expect everyone to feel the same way as you do. The same goes for there are dvc properties that people love and some not so much that doesn’t mean they are wrong.

I don’t think the previous poster was persecuting or calling buyers who choose to buy RIV uneducated. I actually think they were saying that people who know the restrictions and are familiar with how the product of DVC works (aka “educated”) are choosing to buy it anyway—that statement doesn’t imply that they are wrong or lack intelligence just merely that they know what they are doing. I could be wrong in my understanding of the previous posters intentions but that is how I understood them. For what it’s worth (which I know everyone’s opinion is just that), I agree with the pp. The only way I can see restrictions being relaxed directly on RIV resales is if people speak with their wallets and that doesn’t appear to be happening. I have no judgement on anyone who decides to buy there, however.
 
There's just not enough math out there yet to know what the resale restrictions mean. That would make me incredibly uncomfortable with such a big purchase. Buying a resale BLT/GF/Poly contract, you know exactly what you are getting and what you can sell.

Maybe this amount of money doesn't matter to you. Maybe you need the blue card annual pass discount for your six kids, we have no idea what factors might be in play for you.
 
Buy resale somewhere and save $$$. Buy enough points to book 1BR at Riviera and book it at 7 months. That's what I'd do if just buying in to DVC today. Probably buy big SSR contract via resale.
 
Buy resale somewhere and save $$$. Buy enough points to book 1BR at Riviera and book it at 7 months. That's what I'd do if just buying in to DVC today. Probably buy big SSR contract via resale.

You can't book RIV with post-2019 resale points. It's part of the all the new restrictions.
 



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