Anyone ever try to guess the resale rate if no rofr?

bullpup12564

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If Disney ever stoped the rofr policy on the older resorts(pre SSR) does anyone have any guess what the resale price/point might be? Do you think the resale prices would stay around the same? Would some resorts be worth more? Just trying to get a feel of an unsupported cost. Thanks
 
Resale prices would not be the same. ROFR is an artificial floor on the purchase. Just look at the price that Vero Beach seems to be going for. Clearly Disney's ROFR price is pretty low for VB. I figured resale is only beneficial if I could buy at around $10 below Disney's price (all things being equal...ignoring buy where you want to stay).
 
Vero Beach is not a good example, as it doesn't have other Disney Resorts next to it that rent for $300/night.

I'm sure ROFR contributes to resale price, but so does the price of the Disney Resorts. In my opinion it would be silly to suggest that a VWL studio is worth $50/night, when a WL room costs $250. :drinking:

MG
 
bullpup12564 said:
If Disney ever stoped the rofr policy on the older resorts(pre SSR) does anyone have any guess what the resale price/point might be? Do you think the resale prices would stay around the same? Would some resorts be worth more? Just trying to get a feel of an unsupported cost. Thanks




The price fall would be substantial. Everyone would be competing to sell there contacts. This would in turn mean lower prices across the board. I can see it now: BCV $80/pp. The next listing for BCV would be for $79/pp and so on. Everyone would be scambling lower to sell. Where it would end is beyond me but my guess would be in the $55 range. Lower than that the member might as well just rent there points out.


DAVE
 

Daitcher said:
The price fall would be substantial. Everyone would be competing to sell there contacts. This would in turn mean lower prices across the board. I can see it now: BCV $80/pp. The next listing for BCV would be for $79/pp and so on. Everyone would be scambling lower to sell. Where it would end is beyond me but my guess would be in the $55 range. Lower than that the member might as well just rent there points out.


DAVE
I couldn't disagree more.

There is nothing stopping that from happening now WITH ROFR.
Remeber that ROFR has no bearing on what you can sell your contract for. You can list it for $50/point now and sell it quick. The only difference being that Disney will likely buy it instead of someone else, and that is of no concern for the seller.

Also, if prices fell as you suggest, there would be HUGE demand from all the folks paying $300/night to stay at the Beach Club. The higher demand with the same supply will keep prices from plumeting. :drinking:

MG
 
if and when the prices falls alot.

disney will buy it back and rent it.

they are not about to let the villa go for pennies on the dollar.

VB and HH are not on WDW property.

they were different.

I didn't like the area around VB.

HH is not on the ocean.

I can see for kids and grandkids of present DVC owners. Saying in 2065 - 'you know our parents owned here and got it for 30 points - we are paying over $5,000 a night (if not more)'
 
if you are concerned about the post on tug - forget it.

since the early 90's these same people have been claiming that DVC would lost their value.

well guess what they haven't and probably won't.

but don't buy timeshare because of that - you buy a timeshare to use it - not as an investment or anything else.

you buy a timeshare because you love the timeshare, area, etc and will be happy staying there for a long time to come.

I was so upset when I first on tug in 95 that I made a big mistake. I didn't join then and get out of my Westgate. I think I was scared that these people were right and my DVC would decrease in value.

then I got mad because it was plain that some of them just didn't like Disney.

Anyway - anytime DVC or Disney is mentioned on tug - some people will say that they got had...

:rolleyes:
 
I suspect that the resale value will decline at some point as the remaining life of the contract draws near. If I recollect accurately, most of the posts I have read on DIS seem to place that somewhere between 20 and 30 years into the contract -- so 2012 to 2022. There are a number of variables such as Disney's ROFR actitivty, resort pricing trends, DVC direct sales availability and possibly others.

If ROFR were to disappear today, it would take some time before the market became fully aware of the fact and some decline would be likely. But the nature of the product would not change. I don't see any reason why member interest would change so the supply of resales should remain constant. And no ROFR should not change the interest of potential members except possibly make them a bit more aggressive on their offers.

The timeshare industry is growing rapidly and that is because the product has improved, the practices have improved, there is more regulation and consumer protection. The major brand names in the hospitality business are all in this market in a big way. Prices continue to climb at the retail level even as general housing construction and sales have softened. Most importantly more and more people are finding timesharing a pleasurable way to travel.

The significant risks to this industry are events that disrupt or alter leisure travel -- attacks by terrorists, flu pandemics, economic recessions, currency fluctuation and severe weather events. Those are all wild cards. Some can be insured against, some, if one is willing, can be mitigated with a little prudent planning. The rest are simply out of our hands to control or influence.
 
Prices wouldn't be much different. Actually for most of the time over the past 10 years, market price has been above ROFR price. At some point the RTU will start to affect the price, likely with around 28 years left. Some people believe that the retail CRO prices will keep prices high. It may have some effect but I believe it will be fairly small. However if ROFR were not a factor, you'd see more variability. I've seen contracts for very low prices that were dramatically lower than ROFR thus one would be able to find more deals. And as noted, you'd see the most effect at HH and VB.
 
Maistre Gracey,


Your points are valid and it is great we disagree. It gives various scenarios for the OP. I still maintain that prices would fall. If I needed to move my contract (which I never will) you can bet that I would sell it lower than the lowest price. Competition always drives prices lower. It is just like those gas stations at opposite corners, they always try to go lower than the other guy. Where the price fall would stop is anyone's guess. Desperation and how bad people needed to sell would become a factor. If there are 5 BCV contracts out there with 200 points wouldn't you bid on the lowest one if all things were equal? How long would an owner continue to try to get top dollar before they were eventually forced to lower there price? Now I don't think DVC will ever let this happen. They wouldn't want to see there product devalued. I also think they will continue to sell new timeshares for quite some time. They don't want the resale market cutting into new sales. Thanks for your thoughts. We are all just speculating so your scenario could be right on.


DAVE
 
At 10-15 years prior to the contact ending--does anyone expect to see a lot of people trying to dump their shares?
 
sigillaria said:
At 10-15 years prior to the contact ending--does anyone expect to see a lot of people trying to dump their shares?
Yes, but a large group also at around 20-22 years. M current plan is to pare down my holdings in about 1.5-2 years. I may even buy a small add on and sell everything else just to keep the perks and access.
 



















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