Any word when the Top of the World Lounge will reopen?

[agfiji25]

Any news on when the Top of the World Lounge might be reopening?

 

[erionm]

Probably not until Disney decides it's safe to open the other bars/lounges that are also closed.

 

[Sandisw]

My guess is when fireworks come back.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Probably not until Disney decides it's safe to open the other bars/lounges that are also closed.

Since they have several open I'd think this is not about safety and is about estimated profit.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Since they have several open I'd think this is not about safety and is about estimated profit.

Possibly also about dodging controversy over the holiday in regards to capacity, even without fireworks.

 

[Spartan86]

We have been to Toppolinos bar a couple of times since the reopening. At first they had two sets of two bar stools IIRC. Thursday they had 3 sets of two at the bar plus two, or perhaps 3 high tops, one at the window. Nice spot! With you we do hope TOTWL is back soon.

 

[sethschroeder]

We have been to Toppolinos bar a couple of times since the reopening. At first they had two sets of two bar stools IIRC. Thursday they had 3 sets of two at the bar plus two, or perhaps 3 high tops, one at the window. Nice spot! With you we do hope TOTWL is back soon.

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Such a shame they didn't dedicate a portion of that roof to Riviera owners only.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Such a shame they didn't dedicate a portion of that roof to Riviera owners only.

I think they decided $$$'s were more important this time around than an exclusive location as a member perk.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

They would have made RIV owners pay for it in dues. As it is, it is commercial space with its own P&L and self-supports.

 

[Sandisw]

They would have made RIV owners pay for it in dues. As it is, it is commercial space with its own P&L and self-supports.

And, I’ll add, that when the BLT area was for BLT DVC guests only, it was not sustainable. They learned.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

And, I’ll add, that when the BLT area was for BLT DVC guests only, it was not sustainable. They learned.

It was a sales technique much like moonlight magic or any other perk. One that they stuck to much longer than I ever thought they would especially given the history of the attic.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

They would have made RIV owners pay for it in dues. As it is, it is commercial space with its own P&L and self-supports.

TOTWL was also declared as a commercial unit.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Yeah, but it was not sustainable as a BLT-owner only space, so my assumption is that were they to create an owner-only space at a new resort, they would do it in such a way to make it dues supported.

I know, assumption, but in line with how DVCM operates.

TOTWL was also declared as a commercial unit.

 

[sethschroeder]

And, I’ll add, that when the BLT area was for BLT DVC guests only, it was not sustainable. They learned.

So first I was talking about a lounge supported by dues from the resort itself exclusive just to RIV owners (maybe those staying on Point as well like BCV pool) for so for a fireworks/evening viewing deck.

Also why does it need to be self sustainable? Think if Topolino's was ran "at cost" instead of needing to make a profit for Disney? They won't do it though because its way to easy to make money as they are showing with that restaurant and they don't want to show how overpriced their other restaurants are.

Think how big of a perk it would be to have Topolino's like it is but with Disney price removed and a slightly easier time booking.

I can't imagine running Topolino's at cost would be that much more than maintaining and running the pools. Maybe I am wrong though.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

"At cost" requires staff. Current staff are tipped, which helps quite a bit, but thee big expense of those spaces is staff. The actual profit margins are not as big as pricing would suggest due to the staffing cost, which includes both front of house and back of house.

I think it'd be pricier than you think, especially since the association would also have to cover the utilities on the space. As a space as currently used, utilities are rolled into the space rent.

 

[Sandisw]

So first I was talking about a lounge supported by dues from the resort itself exclusive just to RIV owners (maybe those staying on Point as well like BCV pool) for so for a fireworks/evening viewing deck.

Also why does it need to be self sustainable? Think if Topolino's was ran "at cost" instead of needing to make a profit for Disney? They won't do it though because its way to easy to make money as they are showing with that restaurant and they don't want to show how overpriced their other restaurants are.

Think how big of a perk it would be to have Topolino's like it is but with Disney price removed and a slightly easier time booking.

I can't imagine running Topolino's at cost would be that much more than maintaining and running the pools. Maybe I am wrong though.

BCV owners don’t have access to SAB unless staying there...or am I confused by what you meant,

If you are talking about the restaurant being exclusive to RIV owners, staying there or elsewhere, you would still need to pay for it with dues and then contract out with Disney to run it,

It would have to be profitable or the cost to run it would, IMO, have a huge impact on dues.

 

[sethschroeder]

BCV owners don’t have access to SAB unless staying there...or am I confused by what you meant,

So not about BCV. Specific to RIV there is $x.xx that is attributed to maintaining the pool. I was just saying that same amount should be able to sustain the cost of the restaurant/lounge if Disney simply charged "cost" to people. So I can't imagine it would be that big of a deal to move it from "it has to support itself" to "RIV owners MFs will cover the cost and in exchange get an extremely good deal/discount on food/drink at that location".

How much could it take to run Topolinos if all food costs are covered by those eating there? How much in dues would that be?

That was more my question probably better left elsewhere to discuss.

 

[M:SpilotISTC12]

I'm going in May 21 and praying that its open by then. Its my favorite bar and go out of my way to get there.