A word of warning to be prepared

vernon

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Last week a friend of mine on holiday here in Orlando had the misfortune to be a prime example of how easy it is to get into problems and that everyone needs to think about how they can avoid putting themselves in difficult situations.
Here's the story.

David and his family had enjoyed an afternoon round the the pool and had drunk ( literally ) a couple of beers during the afternoon. It was 2nd day of their vacation and due to a little bit of jet lag the kids ( 4 and 6) flaked out about 6 in the evening. Mom and dad had a couple more beers in the room and decided a Pizza was the way forward as they didn't like the hotel restaurant David decided a quick drive to Pizzahut was the best choice as it was just a couple of minutes drive from the hotel. On his way to the restaurant David got rearended, no injuries but sufficient damage to mean the cars couldn't be moved quickly, police came, other driver was obviously drunk or stoned and he got busted. The police also wanted to test David (I'm still trying to find out if the copper was truthful on this part) telling him that it is standard when a crash involves a drunk driver that all involved have to get a test. Anyway, David goes to police station, fails test (borderline), gets told he's going to be spending the night in chokey and that he can make a phone call and here comes the part where lack of preperation hurts him. Didn't have the hotel phone # (didn't take key as wife in room) either got the wrong Holiday Inn branch or got put though to the wrong room as the person he spoke to wasn't his wife. Not able to contact anyone, not having the ID he needed and not knowing the "system" it took until early evening the next day to sort everything out, get David released and in contact with his now VERY upset wife and kids.

Couple of "morals to the story" are I guess
1) don't even have a couple of beers and drive even if it's only a short distance, it's not worth it (but I know most of us have done it occassionally).
2) Make sure you know some contact numbers. Hotel, travel agent, friend who you can call and they know how to contact your family.

Anyone that doesnt have a travel agent locally and would sleep easier having someone local they can call who can contact their friends or family is more than welcome to drop me an IM or email with their details, I'll give you my home and mobile #s so you have a contact in the unlikely event you have an emergency. I don't expect to ever get called, but I'm happy to be called if it's needed and I can help.

Keep safe guys
 
Very good advice - I must admit I have been out on my own in similar circumstances, our son often does not want to go out in the evening so now and again I go out on my own.
As we stay in a villa I naturally have to drive - I have never had more than 1 drink however, but yes it does make you think.
 
Yikes! I'm just glad it sounds like nobody got hurt.
 
We never drink anything and drive, but who knows what other bother can occur through no fault of your own. That's a very kind offer, Vernon, and one many will consider taking up I imagine.
 

If you would not do it at home, why would you do it on holiday? do people not get killed by alcohol impaired drivers on holiday?
Pity they don't throw the book at him.
How about if he had hit a child whilst in that condition?
It matters not a jot that he was "borderline" he was impaired.

Being on holiday is no excuse, there IS noe excuse for driving after drinking alcohol. Has he not heard of delivery??

I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
 
Obi Wan Kenobi said:
If you would not do it at home, why would you do it on holiday? do people not get killed by alcohol impaired drivers on holiday?
Pity they don't throw the book at him.
How about if he had hit a child whilst in that condition?
It matters not a jot that he was "borderline" he was impaired.

Being on holiday is no excuse, there IS no excuse for driving after drinking alcohol. Has he not heard of delivery??

I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.

I have to agree entirely.
 
That's a very kind offer Vernon :)

Whilst I would never have a drink if I was thinking about driving anywhere, sometimes the unexpected does happen and we make decisions without being fully aware of the potential pitfalls. Just imagine if after a nice quiet evening where you had only had a couple of drinks that someone in your family fell ill or had a minor accident and needed medication. Most people would be tempted to take a quick trip to the pharmacy if they knew they could get whatever they needed there.

Your advice is sound Vernon and serves as a useful reminder to us all :)
 
AlanUK said:
That's a very kind offer Vernon :)

Whilst I would never have a drink if I was thinking about driving anywhere, sometimes the unexpected does happen and we make decisions without being fully aware of the potential pitfalls. Just imagine if after a nice quiet evening where you had only had a couple of drinks that someone in your family fell ill or had a minor accident and needed medication. Most people would be tempted to take a quick trip to the pharmacy if they knew they could get whatever they needed there.

Your advice is sound Vernon and serves as a useful reminder to us all :)

And if you killed someone because you could not be bothered to get a taxi, how would you feel then?
How about their family eh?
No excuse is acceptable to drink and drive, when there are many other options available
No one should need to have a reminder of the ability to kill others by taking drink or drugs.

Lets remember, this person was over the limit for drink driving and his "emergency" was to get a damned pizza!
 
AlanUK said:
That's a very kind offer Vernon :)

Whilst I would never have a drink if I was thinking about driving anywhere, sometimes the unexpected does happen and we make decisions without being fully aware of the potential pitfalls. Just imagine if after a nice quiet evening where you had only had a couple of drinks that someone in your family fell ill or had a minor accident and needed medication. Most people would be tempted to take a quick trip to the pharmacy if they knew they could get whatever they needed there.

Your advice is sound Vernon and serves as a useful reminder to us all :)
We wouldn't ever drink and drive - but I do think it's a kind offer as you never know what other problems might arise.
 
I also have no sympathy for this guy. There is NO EXCUSE for drinking and driving!
 
Thanks for the warning Vernon and a very kind offer of your contact details, one I may take you up on in the future. I never have a car in florida just because of the simple fact that I may like a drink occassionally - whoops! that makes me sound like an alki!! I must stress that I only ever drink in the hotel in the evenings usually 1 or 2 glasses of wine or a baileys, but sometimes when going round the world in Epcot.
 
Obi Wan Kenobi said:
And if you killed someone because you could not be bothered to get a taxi, how would you feel then?
How about their family eh?
No excuse is acceptable to drink and drive, when there are many other options available
No one should need to have a reminder of the ability to kill others by taking drink or drugs.

I am not saying it's right but I am saying that I can see why people would take that decision. We often make decisions when under pressure that maybe we wouldn't make in cold light of day.

There is really no point in discussing whether people should need to be reminded. People do need to be reminded which is why the govenrment spends lots of money on advertising the dangers at key times during the year. If having that reminder makes one person think again and saves a life then it's worthwhile.

I am pretty sure Vernon isn't saying go out and have a skinful and if you get into trouble then give me a call and I'll help you out. His story serves as a warning, at least that is how it reads to me :)
 
Personally I would never drink and drive, but I know that lots of people do and I'm not here to pass judgement. Just wanted to say, bear in mind that other countries often have different "acceptable" limits of blood alcohol than you are used to, so that "one drink" that would be legal at home might not be whilst on holiday!

Charlotte
 
Vernon - that is such a generous and thoughtful offer. Thank you so much :)


The thread was not about the rights and wrongs of drink driving guys, can you please remember that for any more posts - thank you.
 
Vernon- thanks for the warning-sorry if it sounded like I was on a soap box! :teeth:
 
No one is asking that you feel sorry for David, he made a mistake and paid a pretty stiff penalty because of it. (as an aside the police dropped the case and let him off with a warning, because the second test they did came back just "legal", although one of my local friends said it was just as likely that the amount of paperwork to prosecute an arguable case with a foreign national wasn't worth the manpower) .
The reason I mentioned the episode is so that people make sure they have the ability to contact someone if they get into a difficult situation, whether it's their own fault or they are innocents caught up in events. You can make a decent argument that a night in chokey is the least he could expect for his actions, but his wife and kids didn't need to be put through the worry of if their husband/father had been killed or not. Particularly the kids, they weren't guilt of anything other than being sleepy after a long flight and having at least one dopey parent.

To be fair to David, his abilities had no baring on the accident, he stopped at a red traffic light and someone hit him up the backside. If he hadn't gone out it wouldn't have stopped an accident because the guy would have just hit the person in front of David. The fact he's had two bottles of bud an hour or two earlier was immaterial to any accident happening, it did however impact on the outcome of the situation.
A 3rd party story that springs to mind was told to me by one of my ex colleagues who'd worked with a guy that had been involved in a similar accident with a rental car, policeman asked him to put out one of those reflective triangle warning things because it was a dark road 2 lane road. As he pulled it out of the car boot a half smoked "whacky baccy" roll up popped out and at the officers feet, needless to say that was a few hours explaining that it must have been a previous renter's property.

As Alan correctly says this isn't a carte blanche to go out and get wasted, but unforeseeable situations do arise, through no fault of your own, and leave you in serious problems. There are a multitude of situations that could drop you in trouble with the law in a foreign country, many even when you are completely innocent. Don't assume because you don't do anything wrong that you can ignore the possibility that you won't end up on the wrong side of the law.

If you want the number you're welcome to it, if you have the ability to take you're own precautions and do so I applaud you, if you think it could never happen to you and ignore the advice... best of luck IMHO you're just as culpable for anything that happens to you.
 
Excellent advice and a very generous offer, Vernon. It certainly highlighted something for me - I have never even considered ensuring I have a means to contact DH should a situation occur whilst we are on holiday.
 
An unfortunate incident, but an extraordinarily good cautionary tale.

You know, I tend not to think of our British friends as foreigners (I know, I know), but this does bring up some important issues as all of you have pointed out.

I have been a police officer for over 10 years, and I would be more than willing to answer any questions that you might have regarding encounters with the American law enforcement community.

Cheers,

Bill
 
we have been to disney before and my dh has gone on his own for takeaways, never after drinking!!, but we have never thought about taking down the hotel number just incase, this will be the first thing we do from now on, you just never now what could happen while his out on his own, with no way to contact us, very good advice and a very nice offer from vernon, susie2
 











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