2010 Census

MushyMushy

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Did you get your Census packet yet? We got ours yesterday.

One question - why don't they ask what religious affiliation each person is? They seem to want to know everything else, so why not that?
 
Probably because so many people put up a big stink about separation of church and religion-mostly misplaced. Anyway, there are also a couple different forms, a long version and a short version. It is strange that they don't ask that though.
 
So strange the only time I recall census brought up was when I was little and my parents filled it out. All these years on my own I was never asked to fill one out. I may look stupid but exactly how does this work? Who is selected to fill one out? Just curious.
 
So strange the only time I recall census brought up was when I was little and my parents filled it out. All these years on my own I was never asked to fill one out. I may look stupid but exactly how does this work? Who is selected to fill one out? Just curious.


Technically one is sent to every household in the US, reality is they don't always make it there. Often in low income areas they will have people go door to door to help people fill them out. I know a lot of people get all up in arms about giving that information out but by not filling them out you are only hurting yourself because that is what they use to determine federal funding for roads, schools, programs, etc. I think you can go on to the census website after a certain date and request someone come out or a form sent.
 

So strange the only time I recall census brought up was when I was little and my parents filled it out. All these years on my own I was never asked to fill one out. I may look stupid but exactly how does this work? Who is selected to fill one out? Just curious.
Every household in America is supposed to receive a form for the actual census, which is done every 10 years. In the years in between, the Census Bureau also sends out other types of surveys. But the 10 year mark is always the big thing (1990, 2000, 2010, 2020 and so on...)

I worked for the CB earlier this year verifying addresses. They even trained us on what to do if we found someone living in a cave! :confused3
 
A cave! :lmao: I bet there are maybe some people out there somewhere, but can you imagine being a census worker trekking around all over the place looking in random caves?

I got a 28 page booklet to fill out and wants to know everything you can think of about our home and living expenses. The last census, we only got a single form. I'm not sure what we got in 1990. I was still living with my parents at that point.

I know there is (and very well should be) a separation of church and state, but it just seems so odd to me not to know the makeup of our own country, especially when we are considered to be a "Christian" nation. Maybe they're worried that there are more of us non-believers than they're claiming. :laughing: Just kidding!

Sort of. :rolleyes1
 
Odd that means I should of filled out at least two of them by now. I swear I never saw one.:confused3 Better keep my eyes open this time and check into it if I don't get one.
 
Religion can be a very sensitive subject for some people. I would guess that the Census Bureau leaves it off because it could result in more people becoming not willing to answer questions and be counted.

This year, they will be mailing out Census questionnaires and will only go door to door to the people who do not mail them back. Most people will recieve a short questionnaire, however a limited number of households (selected at random) will recieve the long version.

April 1, 2010 is the "Official Census Day" when they will be sending out the questionnaires. So if you have already received one, it could be a validation test of some sort they are doing for the form.

Funding and representation for state and local governments is based upon population counts that are generated by the Census, so it is important that you make sure that everyone in your household is counted. If you do not get a form in the mail around the first of April, then you probably need to get a blank form which is usually available at the post office and other public locations for people left off their list.
 
Yes, every person is required BY LAW to complete a census form every 10 years. We were told that first the census form is sent to the house (if no reply), a census worker goes to the house (if they can't get the responses), a census supervisor is sent to the house and finally, a census worker with a U.S. Marshall is sent to the house.

They are pretty serious about it.

In some states, such as California, we now have "tent" cities with people living in them and somebody will have to go and interview those people. In addition, we were told to look for people living under bridges, in campers, in tents, etc.
 
Yes, every person is required BY LAW to complete a census form every 10 years. We were told that first the census form is sent to the house (if no reply), a census worker goes to the house (if they can't get the responses), a census supervisor is sent to the house and finally, a census worker with a U.S. Marshall is sent to the house.

They are pretty serious about it.
The fine for not responding to the census is only $100, so I would say that they are somewhat serious about it.
 
Every household in America is supposed to receive a form for the actual census, which is done every 10 years. In the years in between, the Census Bureau also sends out other types of surveys. But the 10 year mark is always the big thing (1990, 2000, 2010, 2020 and so on...)

I worked for the CB earlier this year verifying addresses. They even trained us on what to do if we found someone living in a cave! :confused3


Well, you never know!!! :)

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2009/02/18/jefferson/special_feature/0218ndj-cave20.txt


Pictures here: http://www.ksdk.com/life/community/gallerypublic.aspx?plckGalleryID=033399f8-513a-4494-adbf-7a5c96254b99


Family living in cave selling to highest bidder

By Chris Campbell

Five years ago, Curt and Deborah Sleeper decided to move their family into a cave they purchased on eBay.

Impractical, you might say? Not for the Sleeper clan.

Their backup plan involved packing up the children, Perry and Kian, and heading for Belize.

This family does things a little differently than most in Jefferson County.

"My wife and I are adventurous," Curt Sleeper said. "I've always been kind of a freelance person and we saw the cave and we fell in love with it."

The cave, which is housed in a massive sandstone bluff along Highway 61/67 in Festus, is well known to locals.

After decades of mining use, the cave was converted into a concert venue and roller rink by former owner Sue Morris in the late 1950s.

Christened "Caveland," the unusual spot attracted top talent - Bob Seger, Ted Nugent, Tina Turner and the MC5, just to name a few.

Not every artist was charmed by the novelty of playing in a cave, given the humidity and unusual acoustics.

"Ted Nugent said it was the worst show he ever played," Curt Sleeper said. "Bob Seger supposedly told him to just shut up and play."

Curt Sleeper said the experience of playing a concert inside a Festus cave was so surreal, in fact, that after Deborah contacted a member of the MC5 for a quote for a possible book about Caveland, he admitted he thought the entire experience was just a 70s-era hallucination.

"He jumped out of his chair and said 'that was real?'" Curt Sleeper said, laughing.

A large, bearded man who projects an air of monk-like serenity, Sleeper was charmed by the property from the outset.

Deborah was a bit more apprehensive, until she noticed a four-leaf clover growing on the property during the family's first visit.

Taking that cue from nature as a sure sign they were doing the right thing, the Sleepers purchased the cave and began the arduous task of turning a massive, hollowed out sandstone bluff into a family home.

It wasn't easy, or quick.

The family spent four years living in large, heated tents while painstakingly turning the cave into a rather spectacular living space sprawling past 17,000 square feet.

The family called their temporary living space "Tentworld," and Deborah Sleeper found herself using three buckets for laundry for several months in true frontier style.

"There wasn't a lot of privacy," Curt Sleeper said. "But I'd do it all over again. It was an adventure."

The front of the property is a mini-refuge for local wildlife. To the north of the cave entrance sits the "box canyon bog." This wooded area is home to several species of wildlife and a series of small waterfalls that creep down the face of the bluff during rainy weather.

As you navigate the muddy pathway of stones through the bog, a cacophony of cricket and frog noises greets you.

"There's a whole bunch of wildlife," Sleeper said. "King snakes, black snakes, an old barn owl, foxes."

Though it sits just a few hundred yards from a major thoroughfare, the area feels secluded, an ideal spot for intimate congress with nature.

Deborah Sleeper calls the box canyon "her sanctuary."

"It's just amazing," she said. "I love everything about the house. The kitchen, the walls."

The canyon features a 60-feet-by-120-feet pool of water that collects as a result of storm runoff from a subdivision directly above.

A compost pile and "guinea hen" pen sit nearby. Box turtles hide out among strawberry patches.

"That's the guinea dome," Curt Sleeper said. "It's empty. The foxes, hawks and feral dogs got some. I didn't get as many."

A handful of feral cats stalk the outer sections of the cave, kept in good condition by regular feedings from the Sleeper family.

One of the cats creeps forward, slowly evaluating new visitors. The Sleepers have named this cat Poubelle - French, for trash can.

Upon entry to the cave, one is struck by the beauty of the walls - and the rise in humidity.

The Sleepers use three professional-grade dehumidifiers to keep the massive cave interior livable.

"We pull about 300 gallons of water a day out of the air," Sleeper said.

The idea is to keep the cave below 80 percent humidity - the point at which life begins to sprout.

While the air is humid, it comes with a trade-off.

Because the interior of the cave is in the 60 degree to 70 degree range year-round, the cost to heat and cool the place is minimal.

The walls are striking, particularly the patterns etched across them.

"It's like cloud watching," Curt Sleeper said. "In the patterns you can see anything you want. I often find myself staring at the walls. It's a comfortable and peaceful environment."

The large entry room has a full, modern kitchen, study and a goldfish pond filled by the constant drip-drip of falling spring water from the ground above - a clever way to incorporate something few home builders would ever anticipate.

"It's an odd thing having natural spring water dropping into your room," Sleeper said.

Winding stairs lead to a second floor, with bedrooms and bathrooms, all carved from the sandstone walls.

To the rear of the entry room, another large room functions as storage and a gym for the family.

Curt Sleeper, a freelance website designer, is active on eBay, buying and reselling numerous items, many of which are housed in the cave.

Continuing forward, a third large room opens up about 100 feet below the surface.

Dark and a bit eerie, with a vintage bomb shelter sign rusting on the wall, this near-empty corridor functioned as the concert hall.

A tiny stage sits a few hundred feet ahead in the distance - the same raised bit of concrete once prowled by Tina Turner.

Though the Sleeper family clearly adores their home, they recently made a decision to list the property for sale on eBay for financial reasons.

"We don't want to move," Curt Sleeper said. "But we need to protect our equity. We put everything we had into this home."

The family is seeking bank assistance via mortgage refinancing, but so far has been unsuccessful.

They aren't giving up hope.

And if a sale is necessary, the family is facing the prospect with equanimity.

"I could die yesterday," Curt Sleeper said. "This is the most rewarding thing we've ever done. My children will remember this as long as they remember anything."

And they'll remember at least one more major event as well - the birth of a new brother or sister.

In the cave, no less.

Deborah Sleeper, due to give birth any day, is opting for a home birth, with the help of some visiting professional medical personnel.

"This will be the first baby born in a cave in I don't know how many years," Curt Sleeper said, smiling

And, with any luck, perhaps not the last.
 
We received some type of census form (booklet, actually) to fill out a few months ago. It was right before I went on vacation so it just got pushed to the side. And when I got home I forgot about it. They sent us another one awhile later. I filled it out, sort of. There were a lot of questions they asked that I didn't feel was any of their business so I left them blank.

I hope we don't get the "long form" for the 2010 census. I hate filling out crap like that.
 
I do not plan on answering anything other than name, occupation, address and ages. I would rather pay a fine that have the government ask me a lot of personal questions.
 
I do not plan on answering anything other than name, occupation, address and ages. I would rather pay a fine that have the government ask me a lot of personal questions.

You are only hurting yourself buy not answering questions. This is what the government uses to determine populations, thus House seats, funding for schools, roads, programs, etc. If people don't answer the census your area doesn't get their fair share of funding.
 
You are only hurting yourself buy not answering questions. This is what the government uses to determine populations, thus House seats, funding for schools, roads, programs, etc. If people don't answer the census your area doesn't get their fair share of funding.

What else would he have to answer to allocate those tax dollars?
House seats, schools, roads, are all based on population, nothing else.
 
That is awesome!! :rotfl:

shrubber, it's actually not as simple as numbers of overall population. Two cities of the same size may not receive the same number of tax dollars. Some federal programs are directly specifically at the poorest census tracts, for example - ones where the respondents' incomes are overwhemingly below the poverty line. For that, you at least need income information. You might also ask about education level to determine if the community needs more programs targeted at increasing literacy, etc.

Census data is also used by researchers in all sorts of fields, because it is so detailed. It's a major source of info for secondary data analysis. Most researchers are not reinventing the wheel if they need national statistics - they get their data from the CB because the CB's methods of collection are so reliable.
 
You are only hurting yourself buy not answering questions. This is what the government uses to determine populations, thus House seats, funding for schools, roads, programs, etc. If people don't answer the census your area doesn't get their fair share of funding.

What exactly has changed in the census taking that they now need so much more information? I cannot see how the information that they are gathering is anything other than invasive.
 
That is awesome!! :rotfl:

shrubber, it's actually not as simple as numbers of overall population. Two cities of the same size may not receive the same number of tax dollars. Some federal programs are directly specifically at the poorest census tracts, for example - ones where the respondents' incomes are overwhemingly below the poverty line. For that, you at least need income information. You might also ask about education level to determine if the community needs more programs targeted at increasing literacy, etc.

Census data is also used by researchers in all sorts of fields, because it is so detailed. It's a major source of info for secondary data analysis. Most researchers are not reinventing the wheel if they need national statistics - they get their data from the CB because the CB's methods of collection are so reliable.

My point is that there is no real constitutional authority to do anything but count, that's it.
The census has evolved over the years to become very invasive in some respects, while curiously silent on others.
It does not even ask if you are a US Citizen anymore!!
This has led to an inncorrect apportionment of Reps from the States.
 















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