Let me preface this by saying we just got back from a two-day trip from Niagara Falls, ON, and am starting to think about looking into WL Villas for our November trip. We currently have a woodsview in the main lodge booked. DH slept with 13 yo and I slept with 8 yo. Kids slept fine, but DH and I didn't since our boys tend to be "bed hogs". That's why we can't have them sleep together, or we would end up with two grouchy kids. For two days, it wasn't bad with four of us in the room, but I'm not sure about 8 days/7 nights. We will request bunk beds, but I'm concerned that we might not get them. It would also be nice to have a little more "breathing room". Also, DS (8) is a very picky eater and he will only eat Chicken fingers and FF when we go out to restaurants, so a kitchen might be nice. Also, how close is the parking to the actual villas? The thing that most concerns me about the Villas is I want to experience all the main lodge has to offer and am afraid we'll miss out on this if we stay in the villas. Also, I'm not sure we can afford a might higher rate. Anybody have any ideas or pros/cons they can share with me? I'm not even sure when you can check availability for the villas. It might not even work since we are going over Thanksgiving (Friday before to Friday after) and I'm sure they get booked up. How can I figure out how much it would cost me to rent points? Is there anywhere I can find a layout of these with square footage measurements? I'll also post on resorts boards. TIA! PS - I'm so excite since this is my 500th post! These boards are filled with wonderful people and a wealth of information!