Which Resort Should I buy

Discussion in 'Purchasing DVC' started by BillyBuckner, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. disneynutz

    disneynutz DIS Veteran DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    IMO don't hope for availability, buy where you love to stay.

    Availability is fluid, new owners are added by the thousands each year and they are all competing for rooms. Disney adds and changes programs and attractions at WDW all of the time and that can affect attendance. At one time there wasn't a F&W, F&G, marathons. hard ticket events, and others. There has also been thoughts that DVC will change the point charts for December and that may change attendance.

    The fewer the number of rooms in any category and the less the number of points required will book first. The studios will book before 2 bedrooms.

    Allot can change during your period of ownership, better to be safe than sorry.

    One last thought, allergies can be better of worse during different times of the year and are affected by how much rain and how windy it is. These factors all contribute to low pollen counts or high pollen counts. Expect the worse and enjoy the best.

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  3. BillyBuckner

    BillyBuckner Mouseketeer

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    Well... There are 3 places that I would like to stay at one time or another. I've been told by the people here not to buy contracts at 3 different resorts so I'm trying to gather data to pick the right one (or two) to buy at.

    I think I know the answer (BWV if available) but I'm trying to validate that answer with poll data.
     
  4. disneynutz

    disneynutz DIS Veteran DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    We bought at 5 resorts and rotate our stays booking at 11 months with a 99.99% chance of getting what we want. Over the years we have settled on BWV and VWL being our favorites and each resort has easy access to the parks we visit most often.

    You really won't know what you like until you stay there a few times during different times of the year.

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  5. Dean

    Dean DIS Veteran<br><a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/dis

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    I plan larger family trips (24-40) about every 18 months on average. I assume a couple to a real bed with no more than 2 to a room with BA access. I only count the pullouts (if I have no choice even then) for single teens or max 2 kids. As I've stated on DIS before, studios are generally aimed at 2, 1 BR at 2-3 and 2 BR at 6. Even then some 2 BR with DVC aren't reasonable for 6 adults because of the pull out as the second BR. In your situation I would assume a 2 BR long term. I would only consider 5 in a 1 BR with younger kids at AKV, BLT or possibly at OKW if your only request is for the units that have direct BA access through the Laundry. While there is a price difference, it's less than a third more and well worth it if you're going that far anyway.
     
  6. Dean

    Dean DIS Veteran<br><a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/dis

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    If you want to stay at those only, BWV will likely be the best choice because of the standard view option, AKV the best value because of the longer RTU. However, if you plan accordingly, reserve at 7 months, don't need a specialty unit; any resort should be successful over time. You'd just have to stay at other resort part of the time. As for multiple home resorts, I'm all for it, however you do not intend to buy enough points to work well for your planned usage patterns.

    I'd suggest you keep it simple, don't overbuy and see what your actual preferences are once you get experience. Or even better, a stay or 2 on rental to try it out prior to buying.
     
  7. DizBub

    DizBub Totally Addicted

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    All good observations.

    I also stress over the 11 and 7 month marks. I book our home resort at 11 months at least once a year and have been known to move at 7 months. Since we go more often and our schedule is fairly flexible it's kind of fun to see what's available on shorter notice and grab what we can. Waitlist has rarely failed to come through and can usually piece together a full week without moving.

    For instance, we had the 1st week of Dec booked at SSR but cancelled when 2 nights at BLT standard popped up for Jan 7-9. Snagged a couple of nights at SSR afterwards and waitlisted for a few more. Found out that Osborne Lights will still be up until Jan 6, so grabbed 2 nights at OKW on the front end.

    So now we will have 9 nights at WDW at 3 different resorts. Sure we will have to move twice but each resort offers their own set of joys and challenges. All part of the experience. Maybe not very relaxing but at least we'll be there.

    We also have a long weekend booked in May at AKV and 11 nights in September split between BLT and BCV. I feel we are using our membership to the fullest......for us.
     
  8. crisi

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    I'll call at seven months and if I can switch into something I want with no hassle, I've done it. But we are happy at home and don't usually bother. I've seen a lot of posts where people really seem to be stressing about getting into a certain resort at seven months.
     
  9. Mississippian

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    I agree! Buy all the points at one resort. BWV is priced right and has standard-view rooms.

    Also, since the OP is planning longer trips, there is nothing wrong with spending a few days on site and a few days off. Orlando has lots of really cheap places to stay. You pay a premium to stay at WDW and I think I would get tired of paying that premium after about five days.
     
  10. staceymay00

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    I recommend buying one contract if 150 points is what you would like to have. Two resorts would be ok if you want to alternate resorts or have split stays, but it will be more difficult finding resale contracts of that size.

    We are a family of five and own 150 points at OKW (purchased when my kids were 5, 7 and 9). We planned to start off staying in 1BRs until the kids were older, but that plan quickly changed. We switched our first DVC reservation to a 2BR and have never looked back. We would be fine staying in a 1BR, but the 2nd bathroom and real beds for everyone is so very nice. We are staying a few nights at AKV in April (no problem booking standard view right at 7 months, btw, although I once tried to switch to AKV over Thanksgiving week and could not get a standard view for all nights) and even though Kidani 1BRs officially sleep five and have 2 bathrooms, we chose to use points for the 2nd bedroom instead of savannah view in a 1 BR. We have stayed at POR and a couple of the deluxe resorts that sleep five in a standard room, and I would definitely choose a 1BR DVC villa at any resort for more than a couple of nights now that we spend more time relaxing at the resort.

    We normally prefer staying at our home resort, so I don't have a lot of experience with availability at 7 months, but from what I've read there are times when it can be difficult to get certain resorts and room types at 7 months. The week after Thanksgiving and early December is supposedly one of those times, as well as F&W at the EP resorts. I would not count on being able to book standard view at BWV or BLT at seven months, but it does sometimes happen. If you are looking to conserve points staying standard view at BWV or BLT, then I would buy at one of those resorts.

    Good luck with your decision!

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  11. mmjm

    mmjm I need another vacation at the House of Mouse DVC Gold

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    There has been a lot of good advice, but I would buy where u think you stay the most or what resort you like the best
     
  12. BillyBuckner

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    Thanks, I certainly understand that point.

    My dilemma was that there are 3 places I think I would like to stay at one point or another so I wondered if there is an optimal strategy.

    I like small crowds, Christmas decorations, and cool weather. I want to do most trips in Nov/Dec (avoiding Thanksgiving and Christmas/Nee Year) but could also consider Jan 1-Feb 15.

    For my DVC stays over the next 10 years, I would probably want to stay at BWV about 45%, BLT 35%, AKV 20%. But that could change. At BLT I would want SV or LV, at BWV I would take any view, at AKV I would only want savannah view.

    From the feedback I have gotten I perceive that (during Fall Nov-Dec 15) getting AKV savannah at 7 months is easy, getting anything at all in BWV is hard, getting BLT-S is hard, and getting BLT-L is medium.

    I think this means that if I am buying one resort it should be BWV. I think it also means that owning 2/3 of my points at BWV and 1/3 at BLT is another viable option, but that option will cost me more money.

    Further, it sounds like if I buy at AKV I'll save money, but I may end up staying there so much that I burn out.

    And I perceive that if I buy at OKW or SSR I am begging for disappointment.

    I am dismissing VWL for Personal reasons.
    I am dismissing BCV because we don't care about the pool, we do like the boardwalk, and it seems silly to pay more for BCV when BWV is a similar product (location/features) that costs less.

    I didn't say this in opening remarks, but I would like to retain the flexibility to occasionally spend some nights in non-DVC hotels (using cash) if a great deal comes along, so my current thoughts are buying enough points for 7-10 nights (most likely 7-8) in 2 out of every 3 years.

    IN CONCLUSION:

    I think I should look for a BWV contract for 150 points or less, with intention to possibly add another contract of 50-80 points at BLT in a couple years after I have tried things out

    Did I misinterpret the advice and/or misunderstand anything important in the analysis?
     
  13. Dean

    Dean DIS Veteran<br><a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/dis

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    That sounds reasonable. I might quibble with the idea that SSR or AKV will restrict you as much as you have the impression it will but you'll have to decide how much extra cost you're comfortable with for those concerns and how much risk you're willing to take for the savings. If you buy BWV and use standard view, BWV may be the cheapest of the lot long term.
     
  14. Missyrose

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    Your plan sounds good. Actually it's the exact split we have with our points. We have 150 BWV points and 80 BLT. We'll use the BWV for our 10-day F&W trips or for trips where we need a bigger villa. And the BLT will let us stretch those 80 points by getting SV at BLT for long weekends or 4 or five night trips.
     
  15. MickeyFan612

    MickeyFan612 Mouseketeer DVC Gold

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    As a recent recent owner at BWV I'm finding it very difficult to book the standard view studios even at my 11 month window! I'm currently trying to make a Dec 7-14 reservation and the studios are showing booked for days I can't even book because they are before my 11 month window! The BW view studios are almost as difficult to obtain! How is this?

    I know you are interested in 1 bedroom villas but as your family dynamics change you may find yourself fighting for these standard/bw view studios:)
    If so -Good Luck- I'm totally frustrated!
     
  16. ELMC

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    Same thing happened to me for F&W. I had to make 3 reservations for 3 studios so I had to wait until the exact day the 11 month window opened up to make the ressies and I got shut out.

    What's happening is that people are walking the reservations. So someone who wants to go the same dates as you are booking on the day that is 11 months and 7 days before Dec 7 and booking the full week, with the 7th being the last night of their trip. Then they go on the next day and cancel the first day of their trip and add Dec 8. And so on, and so on. So by the time you go on to book your Dec 7 trip, they already have Dec 7-13 booked. They just need to compete with you for the 14th.
     
  17. PirateJohn

    PirateJohn Earning My Ears

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    Walking down a reservation? Can this really be done? Seems like a lot of trouble. Why do people feel the need to bend the rules. Just makes things harder on the rest of us.
     
  18. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    1) lots of people bought into BWV specifically for access to BW view and low-cost standard view villas.

    2) all of december is a peak season for DVC bookings.

    3) MS hasn't identified this ("walking a reservation") as a violation.

    so if you really want a peak season, in-demand reservation, you might need to go through a little extra trouble.

    if you want to book dec 7, the first night you can theoretically call to book it is by calling jan 1 to book dec 1 for 7 nights, and then walk that reservation forward.

    if that's too much trouble, i expect that BWV owners who call in on jan 7 to book dec 7 and find the high demand rooms booked up will probably have success if they waitlist the reservation when they call on jan 7.

    but this is one of those things about owning a points-based timeshare: there is often competition to use those pts at your favorite times...that's just reality.
     
  19. ELMC

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    I understand your frustration, but try not to think of it like that. It's not really bending the rules, and any attempt to prevent it from happening will most likely result in undesirable booking/cancelling restrictions. Given that the option is available to all owners, I don't really think it's unfair. And now that you know about it, maybe you'll do it next year and I wouldn't fault you for it.

    But you're right about one thing...it is a lot of work to do this. I chose not to do it for my three room (Columbus Day weekend) F&W stay because I didn't want to have to do everything three times. The result is that we are staying in garden view and not boardwalk view. I'm not upset, but next time I will probably end up walking the reservation to make sure I get what I want. Just know that this is really only for high demand rooms at high demand times. The rest of the year it's not really necessary.:)
     
  20. MickeyFan612

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    Thanks for explaining this "walking the reservation"! I had an idea of how they were doing it but wasn't quite sure! I hear you on not trying for three reservations! It is difficult enough to get one!
     
  21. PirateJohn

    PirateJohn Earning My Ears

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    Actually. I am not frustrated. I just bought into DVC and am learning the ins and outs. I do, however, have a problem with people taking advantage of a situation at the expense of others. I should not be surprised though, I see it happening everyday. Don't want to get political here, but, I think I pay more than my fair share in taxes and now I have DVC members gaming the system as well. Come on.
     

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