Universal Orlando officially announces Harry Potter expansion for 2014!

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  1. Angel Ariel

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    I can understand it. I'm not a theme park/amusement park fan. I'm a Disney fan and a HP fan. I enjoy Disney parks and WWoHP because of the theming and magic and feeling like I'm inside my favorite movies.

    If WWoHP didn't exist, but the Forbidden Journey ride were themed to The Lost Continent section (something I have no attachment to), I would not have gone out of my way to go to UO as I did on my last trip. I went out of my way specifically because I wanted to be immersed in the HP world.
     
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  3. mvk

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    I have an Amusement Park 5 minutes from my house that has some of the best roller coasters and thrill rides in the country. We have season passes to that park, and go at least 3 times per month from May-September. There is no theming though, its just rides. We have much more fun at Disney because of the theming, and going back to that park once we get back from Disney is such a letdown.

    At the same time, if that same ride was Avatar, you won't be jumping to the defense of Disney when people bash the land because they don't like Avatar.
     
  4. DRDISNEYMD

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    ~Sorry, it's supposed to be "believe", I must have left that out! :sad:

    ~Okay, as a Disney fan, I remember a time when Universal could not advertise without mentioning or comparing themselves to Disney in some form or fashion. Today, for Universal it's like Disney who? For what Fantasyland consists of -- which is a duplicate spinner with sparkly tiles and water, the mermaid ride with the same darn clammobiles as Nemo, and story time with Belle that utilizes "cut outs" (paper or plastic???) -- it's underwhelming. It looks like a beautiful, gorgeous highly detailed disappointment, especially given the cost and the amount of time taken to complete this.

    ~I am so happy that Universal has raised the bar and I hope they steal *all* the buzz and glory from the mine train in 2014! ;)

    ~Disney can do better and you know it.
     
  5. dadddio

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    While clearly Disney will never be able to perform up to your expectations, it should be noted that they are not in the same industry as WalMart.
     
  6. DRDISNEYMD

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    ~I'm not "interested" in Harry Potter, Star Wars, Avatar or Cars but I can easily get excited about their theme park attractions. Talk about apple & oranges!!! :rotfl2:
     
  7. Rumors Rocks

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    It is genuinely not my intent to offend anyone so I apologize. I only post what loosely qualifies as theme park related news. It can be fun and interesting to discuss what's happening at other theme parks.
     
  8. dadddio

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    The only things that I know about the HP area is that Dueling Dragons was rethemed, there is a new ride and some HP-related shops and than overall the theming was done very well. While I think Dueling Dragons is a very good roller coaster, I know nothing of the other ride and, since I am not a HP fan, I have little interest in the overall theming. As such, if I find myself in IoA, I will go check it out, but its not a must-do for me.

    In September. We have a nine-day trip planned. Six of those days will be at Disney. One of the other days is currently up in the air for UA, IoA, SW or none of the above. We'll see how it goes, but the mere fact that there is a HP area isn't causing us to race on over.
     
  9. Peter Pirate 2

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    Beeeeeep. Wrong. If you've been following you would notice that I very much approve of the Avatarland. It is a vehicle that lends itself to imagination and creativity regardless to if you liked the movie or not! Lets hope Disney doesn't mess up this huge opportunity.
     
  10. DRDISNEYMD

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    ~What a fabulous post, Mr. Pirate! I couldn't agree more & can't wait for more details on Avatarland. pirate:
     
  11. DCTooTall

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    It doesn't take 6 months to "sculpt" a mountain on some pre-fab'd and pre-cut forms. If you look at the way Disney does their mountains these days, The general layout is already designed and laid out via CAD. They then have the rebar forms for the mountain contours fabricated and put into place in a virtual grid. Take those forms, cover them in concrete. THEN you will have an artist go back over that form and add some detail work, and the painting of that form.

    None of the exterior work is loadbearing. None of it is going to have the same level of difficulty to engineer and construct as the load bearing structures. I highly doubt there is even much in the way of building codes or inspection stuff you'd need to worry about with the exterior work.

    That said..... If you want to get into details about what is going on inside the buildings, we can do that too if you want.

    i will give Disney a little credit in that as a slightly larger overall area, The construction process could theoretically take longer than Universal's new HP section built over old Amity. I'll even give Disney a little extra time for the Mine train due to it's last minute addition to the plan. Overall though, I still don't think Disney get's as good of a grade on their Construction efforts as Universal since it's obvious Universal is willing to put a lot more effort into building new things quickly, while at the same time they've spent a CONSIDERABLE less amount of time and energy in patting their own backs on "look at what we are doing!" to the media and the public.


    And to be honest.... I Really don't think it's fair for anyone to look at the backside of show buildings and complain about the lack of detail. Universal is guilty of it... Disney is Guilty of it. And it's not a new development. Look at the backstage side of the World Showcase sometime. Hell, Just Google-Maps and look at Mexico. You have a nice Pyramid up front, but the entire show building is pretty bland beyond that entrance since the building is hidden from the general public's view.

    Or even "old Fantasyland". Behind the facades you see from the park, the show buildings are pretty dull. The primary reason the ole' Fantasyland Skyway remained in place for so long was because it helped obstruct the view of the Haunted Mansion show building.

    The same thing existed in the Original Disneyland too. Remember that the park was originally built by Movie people. They understood the concept of building your set pieces so that everything seen by the camera (the guest) told the story, But that anything that the camera couldn't see there was no reason to waste the time/money/effort to flesh out.


    :rotfl: Remember all the buzz 3-4 years ago? "New Fantasyland is Disney's Answer to the WWoHP!"

    Those of us who knew better though never believed that though because we understood the real reasons for Disney's expansion. (Park Capacity augmentation, adding another needed TS restaurant to the park, Merch sales). if ANYTHING is Disney's "answer" to WWoHP, I'm thinking the Avatar project would probably be the best candidate for the label.

    To add to this.... In some ways this is nothing new, and it's kind of sad.

    Disney was first. Disney wrote the book, and for decades continued to be the leader. In the past 10+ years however, Disney has not shown that same commitment to being the leader, and so newcomers who have read Disney's book and learned from watching them are starting to take the lead.

    This is something that happens time and time again in every industry. It's sort of the same idea as what happened in the photography industry. You Had Kodak write the book, and be the primary innovator for decades..... until they started to rest on their laurals and newcomers started to come up and take the lead.... next thing you know you had the Digital revolution and Kodak couldn't recover.

    When a company has the kind of headstart, history, and name brand recongnition as Disney has, It has a lot of momentum in the mindshare of the consumer. Even after they lose their lead in innnovations, that momentum can keep them in the lead when it comes to public opinions for YEARS.

    Welcome to the Dis..... There are a LOT of people around here who have their Disney colored glasses on and who refuse to believe that anybody can do something on the same level (or better) than what Disney does. There are some here who think that if it's not Disney, then you are looking at an amusement park on the same level as Six Flags/Cedar Fair/insert-local-park-here, Even though in reality it's pretty safe to say the big 3 players in Florida (Disney, Universal, SeaWorld/Busch Gardens) are all operating at a level above the local/regional amusement parks around the country


    What worries/scares me about Carsland is what Disney may decide to do next. Carsland was part of a MASSIVE investment to completely rework DCA to try and correct the embarressment that park had become. DCA had the "advantage" of being in the Powers That Be's back yard where they could see the problems on a regular basis.... and also of being part of a resort that has a vastly different demographic (mostly local, repeat visitors), which were avoiding the park and helping to highlight it's shortcomings.

    I'm not sure if we will ever see the same level of commitment in Florida. We all know that at least 2 of the parks in Florida have several major shortcomings that need addressed.... but because the Florida Demo is one that is mostly first-timers.... and who are locked into visiting the resort (thanks to ME, and coming soon, Magicbands and the like), You don't have the massive difference in attendence numbers which highlight those problems to the people on the west coast who control the purse.

    I'm truly interested to see what actually becomes of the Avatar Project because to me it will be very telling on how much Disney is willing to put into unique attractions for the Florida Parks.... or if they will continue to be happy playing it cheap and only giving us clones of attractions designed for other parks.

    Disney also has the advantage of size, Marketing budgets.... and massive amounts of brainwashed guests. There are tons of families out there they believe they need to make a Disney trip for their kids, JUST because it's Disney. They know absolutely nothing about what is actually at the parks, or what it's like in comparison to other options in the Florida market.



    Oh... and if you want to factor size and construction time frames.... Why not look at EVERYTHING Universal is building in that park. You've got Diagon Alley, which is the new construction. You also have the Transformers Ride which is opening next month, after Demolision on the old structure on that site didn't begin until last spring (about 1yr). You've also got them adding a TON of stuff over at the Springfield/World Expo area of the park to flesh out the who Springfield vibe. (complete with Krusty's and Moe's Tavern). The work in the Springfield area alone could almost be compared directly to the work done to the Toontown/Circus area of the New Fantasyland...... and that Springfield construction didn't start until earlier this year.


    For the Record... I was one of the biggest supporters of the Avatar section when it was annonced.... I've just gotten tired of having to constantly make my case to the blind "It's not Disney!" haters. I've always believed that the Avatar area, if down right, Has a TON of potential to not only be amazing, but to fit seemlessly into Animal Kingdom and provide an area which they can address the biggest issues in AK.

    I also just hate the name "Avatarland" because it really tends to get the whole "dances with smurfs" image stuck in people's heads, and think it's be better from a PR standpoint to think of it as "Pandora", since it's the planet that has the potential.

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  12. dadddio

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    The fact is, it doesn't matter how long it takes to complete the project. When it's done, it will be done. I don't understand why you are trying to make construction time frames into some kind of competition. In fact, I'm sure why you are assuming that there is direct competition between WDW and US. If there truly is a competition, Universal is losing. After all, the bulk of the visitors to central Florida don't go there primarily to visit Universal Studios. US is a day or two tacked on to a larger WDW visit (if at all) for most visitors.

    Forgive me, but I'm not imagining huge bumps in difficulty to build square buildings out of steel. Steel wants to become big square buildings, after all.
    Extra points go to the builder who can throw up something fast? That doesn't seem like a good business model.
    I'm thinking that most of that buzz was generated by people on the internet. I would be surprised if Disney ever mentioned HP in a press release about anything.
    Who are these newcomers who have taken the lead from Disney? I'm not seeing that, at all. Disney's profits are way up. People flock to the area to go to WDW. Some of those people also go to US, but certainly more people by far are there on a Disney vacation and also go to US (or not) than those who are on a Universal vacation and also spend a day at WDW (or not).
    That sounds like an excuse for why your theory that US is the new leader can't be supported.
    This is a Disney forum, after all. If you go to a US forum, I bet that it would be chock full of US lovers. Is there such a thing as a US forum?
    Of course US and Seaworld are operating on a different level than a typical amusement park. However, you've ignored the reason why. If those parks didn't operate at that higher level, they would fail miserably because no one would take time out of their Disney vacations to go to a third rate park.
    Replicating strong attractions from other parks is a model that works for a reason. US would use it if they could.
    That also reads as an excuse for US not being more competitive.
    Are Disney haters any better than Disney lovers? At least this is the right forum for the diehard supporters.
     
  13. JoeKir

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    This sounds awesome! Such a huge fan of the wwohp and I can only imagine how insanely cool this will be!
     
  14. dadddio

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    For those of us with no clue about HP, what's so special about a bank?
     
  15. Peter Pirate 2

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    The roller coaster...which was evident in the movie.
     
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    Lots if us have never seen a HP movie and weren't aware that there was a roller coaster in one of them.
     
  17. Peter Pirate 2

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    Which is why I pointed it out. Geez, got a chip on your shoulder, dude?
     
  18. jade1

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    Love IOA and HP, cant wait for US and HP2, but I would recommend WDW (have many many times) to anyone taking the kids to FL for a one time trip. Actually by the largest margin you can imagine.
     
  19. JoeKir

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    Never seen a Harry potter movie!?!?! First off, the books are awesome and not just for kids. Same with the movies. Take the time to get through the first couple movies and you will thank yourself for it. They are all around extremely enjoyable. Took awhile to convince my DW to give them a shot and she is so glad she did.
     
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    I was in the "I'm not reading the books or watching the movies" crowd simply because everyone else was doing it at the time, and just thought it was stupid. Well, about a year and a half ago I was convinced to pick up the first book and give it a try. I got it, totally understood why people loved it, I read all 7 books as fast as I could.

    I haven't seen all the movies yet, I've only seen the first 5. I will say that I thought the first one was the worst, I saw bits and pieces of it years ago, maybe that's why I didnt want to read/watch until recently. Needless to say, I can not wait to visit Universal.
     
  21. dadddio

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    I'll pass. I'm not that curious as to why there is a roller coaster in a bank.
     

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