Understanding Use Year - Updated January 2, 2015

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  1. Sandisw

    Sandisw Moderator Moderator

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    Yes, when you bought BLT, they gave you current UY points since we are still in the 2009 March UY.

    Since you just bought, you are only going to pay MF's for 2009 from now until the end of the year so in a way, you are getting a deal as MF's are based on the calendar year and not the UY.

    If you have 2009 points that you are not using, you have until October 31st to get them banked. As a new buyer, I do think they give you a bit of a leeway but if you have your member number already, give MS a call and get them banked (or go on DVC member website and bank them there).

    Congratulations!!!
     
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  4. Toad_Passenger

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    Okay, I'm running this through here to see if I'm grasping this 100%.

    Let's use a December UY in my example.

    On 12/1/09 I get 150 points which can be used for 12/1/09 - 12/1/10 ressies.
    If I know I'm not going to be vacationing during that time period, I may bank those points.

    That would mean on 12/1/10 I would get 150 points to be used in 2011. Plus the 150 points that were banked.

    However, once I bank my first 150 points (say in April of 2010), if I want to make a reservation for February of 2011, would I be able to with those banked points, even though I haven't been given my additional 150 points for 2011?
     
  5. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    from page 1:

    your 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 pts are all already in your account. step 1 is to determine that feb 2011 is in your 2010 use year. so you can call in march 2010 to make a reservation at your home resort in feb 2011 using any combination of:

    *banked 2009 pts
    *current 2010 pts
    *borrowed 2011 pts

    (december is more confusing as a use year because 2009 pts are mostly usable in 2010 and so on.)

    to clarify: the pts you "get" on 12/1/10 are 2010 use year pts, even though you are likely to use them in 2011. when you call in march 2010 to book feb 2011, you would be using "current" pts from your 2010 use year along with the banked pts from your 2009 use year.
     
  6. Toad_Passenger

    Toad_Passenger Wild Ride Dreamer

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    So, since they are already considered "in the account" I would actually have 300 points to spend on the February 2011 ressies?

    Interesting. Thanks.
     
  7. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    yes. or you could even borrow your dec 2011 pts when you make the call in march 2010 to spend a total of up to 450 pts on your feb 2011 stay...
     
  8. Sandisw

    Sandisw Moderator Moderator

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    Technically, you have all your points when you buy and they just become current UY points every year at the start of your UY.

    The easiest way to understand how to know what points can be used for the reservations is to first figure out what UY your trip will happen. Once you know that, you can always "pay" with banked points from the prior UY, current UY points, and borrowed points from the next UY.

    Dec UY can be tricky to get because your current UY is typically the calendar year before the year we are in. Dec 2010 UY covers travel for most of 2011 (January - November).
     
  9. disneymath

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    We typically travel to WDW the last half of August - evn if we buy DVC I can't see this changing much as it is the best value point-wise over the summer. We may occasionally travel in early December. When I retire (more than 20 yrs from now), I could see early December and January/February trips replacing the August ones.

    Am I correct in thinking that August would be our best UY with June being the runner up? With an August UY, points would have to be banked by April 3oth, right? If so, this would even cover the unlikely event of my booking a March Break trip.
     
  10. Sammie

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    This is possibly one of the best explanations ever. :thumbsup2
     
  11. Sammie

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    Not sure which would be best but can tell you for those of us that book most of our trips for August, having an Oct. use year which we do, is not good.
     
  12. Sandisw

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    Yes, August would be ideal for your trips with June coming in right behind. We have June UY because I teach and travel to WDW beginning to mid August. Last summer, I was making changes to our reservation right up to the 31 day mark (trying to get different resorts for our 1st DVC stay!).

    Having the UY that falls right before your typical travel really does give you the most flexibility if you need to change or cancel a trip (at least 31 days out--after that the points go in to holding and then there are different rules) since you have those first 8 months to bank points.

    The other piece is with borrowed points. Once borrowed, they can not be returned and expire at the end of the UY they are borrowed in to. When you travel at the beginning of the UY and have to change/cancel, it gives you a lot of time to reschedule so you can use up those borrowed points.
     
  13. disneymath

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    Okay, so October is definitely not even a consideration then!

    Thanks for confirming this for me! :thumbsup2
     
  14. CarolMN

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    Bumping up - Original Post updated with a more timely example.

    Let me know if there are any typos or anything "hinky" with the details. I think I got all the dates correct, but you never know, LOL.
     
  15. Illini Al

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    Potential "future owner" question. After reading the OP multiple times, I may be getting the hang of this, but if I ever become an owner, I can see using Excel to manage all of my current, banked, and borrowed points several years out. Has anyone ever created a detailed Excel spreadsheet to track and manage point usage?
     
  16. Corwin

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    We just got back from WDW and bought 160 points in BLT with a September UY.

    Our guide originally wanted to assign us a February UY, but we don't have a vacation planned until August 2011, and he wanted us to be able to use our 2009 points for that vacation. So we got a September UY.

    Reading this thread, it looks like we got the worst possible use year, as we usually travel in late August. :sad1:

    We are still within the 10-day rescission period, so I am strongly considering calling my guide and switching our use year, or cancelling the purchase if they won't switch it.

    If we usually travel in late August, our September UY is not good, right? What months would be better?

    If we get an August UY, or the February UY that we were originally offered, our 2009 points will expire before we can use them for our August 2011 visit. In that case, are we better off renting the points, or just living with the September UY so that we can use them for our August 2011 visit?

    Thanks very much for any help!
     
  17. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    If we usually travel in late August, our September UY is not good, right?

    if you have to cancel in june (for example), you'd be past your banking window and would risk the pts expiring unused.

    What months would be better?

    when else do you travel? if you never travel in jan-feb-march, then an april UY might be best. if you always travel in august, then an august UY would be best...but things can change over several decades regardless...

    If we get an August UY, or the February UY that we were originally offered, our 2009 points will expire before we can use them for our August 2011 visit. In that case, are we better off renting the points, or just living with the September UY so that we can use them for our August 2011 visit?

    if you never have to cancel, then UY is a non-issue. the tradeoffs just depend on your individual situation...
     
  18. Corwin

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    We have one child who is 13 years old. We don't like to take him out of school, so as long as he is going with us, we'd generally only be travelling during the February school break, the April school break, or the summer.

    Although we just got back from a February visit (during school break), we usually travel in late August right before school starts.

    I was thinking that a February UY might be best.
     
  19. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    no UY covers every month of the year. a feb UY would work well if you primarily travel feb through august.

    but if you do eventually travel in nov or dec, try not to use banked/borrowed pts and hope you don't need to cancel...
     
  20. KBoopaloo

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    Thank you for this thread, it answered a lot of questions for me. I do just want to ask a specific question to be sure I understand everything properly.

    First things first...we have 160 points with a December Use Year.

    We are planning a large family vacation for 2011 using banked 2009 points(available to us 12/1/09), current 2010 points(available 12/1/10) and some borrowed 2011 points (available 12/1/11).

    Our original plan was to travel in April 2011 but thanks to the way Easter falls that year, we are considering traveling at the end of February instead. If I were to book the February dates now and then we decided to change to April, when I called to cancel the February dates, I would still be able to use the banked and borrowed points as long as I rebooked for dates before 11/30/11, correct?

    I think much of my confusion comes from the December Use Year which makes our points always seem like they are being used a year late.
     
  21. Sandisw

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    Yes, both the February and April 2011 trips fall in your 2010 UY. That means you can used banked 2009 points, current 2010 points, and borrowed 2011 points to pay for either of these trips. And, your 2009 banked points do indeed expire by 11/30/11.

    I do agree with you that with a Dec UY, the majority of your travel happens in the next calendar year. But, if you simply remember to first figure out the UY you are traveling, then figuring out the points that can be used becomes easier--ie: If you travel in your 2012 UY, than you can use banked 2011, 2012 and borrowed 2013 points.

    Have a great time!
     

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