Discussion in 'Disney Cruise Line Forum' started by Edlover, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. disprincess4ever

    disprincess4ever DIS Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Honestly, I don't think Tiana is disliked, it's just that she's not part of the classic s yet. Characters that kids and parents have grown up with for a long time are usually ranked higher in their minds for importance to visit. Sometimes I feel that snow white isn't liked by very many kids these days. Again, the main importance is your favorite character because everyone is different. And Tiana is here to stay for sure.
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  3. ShakeyShakey

    ShakeyShakey Earning My Ears

    Mar 2, 2013
    Here is a great photo of Princess Tiana from the Magic - yes, we did notice the lines for Tiana were a slightly shorter than the other princesses but I agree that it has more to do with familiarity than race.

  4. ppony

    ppony Artist in residence DIS Lifetime Sponsor

    Aug 23, 1999
    Just wanted to say I think you are awesome. :thumbsup2 THANK YOU for being open and honest and sharing!!!!:goodvibes And I LOVE what you said in your first sentence. I was always wondering about that. If you shop for clothes, a house, a car, whatever, you notice color. If someone asked you describe a person, place or thing, what it's physical features and color are will be a description. It's an identifying visual. Noticing doesn't have to mean anything more than say looking at me and saying "Major-league POOH sized!" :rolleyes1;)

    PS: it could also be that I'm an artist and am aaaaaaaallll about color. Give me a box O crayons w/ every single color and I'm a happy camper!
  5. Wendy Darling CA

    Wendy Darling CA Earning My Ears

    Oct 22, 2012
    I certainly don't begrudge anyone for their honesty or feelings. I do believe kids are innocent and have pure motives and it is our job to keep them that way by not making race, economic status, disabilities etc.. an issue. I don't believe that there is no racism in this world - but I do hope for a day when there isn't. I am doing my part to rid the world of it through my children, as my parents did with me. I will say that the last place we should be looking for it is while enjoying a Disney Cruise as our happy kids are beaming with joy to meet their favorite princess (regardless of her hair, skin or dress color). :love::love:
  6. Zeppelin

    Zeppelin DIS Veteran

    Feb 11, 2009
    I agree with some of what you say and don't begrudge you of anything....and likewise its just as easy to make the claim that saying "some of those parents may have nudged them (children) away from Tiana" is nothing more than playing the race card unless you witnessed it happening...

    just like you are being open and honest about a black person's feelings i am also being honest about the feelings of myself and other white people- if an adverse comment is made or something is not the way you think it should be, all of a sudden racism is involved...
  7. quickcat

    quickcat Mouseketeer

    Apr 28, 2011
    You should have been on the Fantasy in Jan if you wanted a long line for Tiana. It was L-O-N-G
    I wish we could have been in a line of only ten people- consider your wait a good Disney line day! :goodvibes
  8. WVURunner

    WVURunner DIS Veteran

    Jan 23, 2012
    I believe it has nothing to do with race and more to do with the cruise and character and movie exposure. On our last cruise, we walked by Ariel and were surprised when my 6 yo niece didn't want to wait to see her, when we asked why, she informed us "I saw her last night when I sat in her lap and watched the Little Mermaid with her in the Kid's club. Same thing when she didn't want to wait in line to see Tiana, I never once thought it was race related but asked why she didn't want to wait to see her and she informed us " I danced with her outside of Shutters with my Mommy last night" She just didn't feel the need to wait in line to see somebody that she had already seen. If Ariel, Tiana and Snow White were all three out, we would have only been in the Snow White line as my niece at that point hadn't seen her yet. It had nothing to do with the race of one and the species of the other. Just previous character exposure on he cruise.

    My 3 yo niece will be crusing with us in May and I am sure she will be thrilled to meet Belle and Ariel, why, because those were her mommy's favorite movies when she was young and my sister had saturated her daughter with those princesses and she enjoys them. My niece was barely born when the princess and the frog came out and my sister hasn't seen it so she hasn't exposed my neice to it, just as my niece hadn't seen Tangled.
  9. EPCOTatNight

    EPCOTatNight I am the Polynesian Parking guy

    Jul 28, 2011
    That is a statement that I agree with. If we focused on how to better ourselves instead of looking for every small thing that a white person does, then we would be in a better position.I am sick and tired of black people making everything about race, because that's not always the case. But, it is sometimes, and it is okay to ask if it is. I think the original poster was just wondering, not saying that it was for certain. I thank you for being honest. This is how we move forward. Open and honest dialogue can lead to a better understanding of those that are different than us; not hiding our heads and ignoring the elephant in the room.
  10. jm106

    jm106 DIS Veteran

    Jan 3, 2009
    She is stunning! Jealous, I want her jobpixiedust:
  11. castmbr

    castmbr DIS Veteran

    May 22, 2000
    Job nothing! I want to look like her!
  12. Zeppelin

    Zeppelin DIS Veteran

    Feb 11, 2009
    glad we are in agreement- just as racism should be dealt with in the severest of manners (from all sides of the aisle), playing the race card must also be looked at as dangerous as eventually it could become an issue of "the boy who cried wolf" when cases of true racism arise...
  13. flateacher

    flateacher Mouseketeer

    Jul 11, 2011
    and eating a bug on the same day! :) (from the movie)

    We LOVE Tiana and The Princess and the Frog. We also love Belle, Ariel, Rapunzel, Aurora... well I guess I would be listing them all!! :rotfl:

    What I find interesting is some people on our cruise did not know who Aurora was - or knew her as Sleeping Beauty but didn't know her name. There are other movies I am surprised people don't know.

    When we are standing in line to meet characters etc. I often notice it has to do with not only how popular the movie is but the AGE of the kids. If you have much younger kids you might not have seen older Disney movies. If you have older kids you might have seen the older movies but not the more recent ones.

    I am pretty sure I remember hearing someone during the Golden Mickeys ask who Mulan was! :scared1: Which was a SHOCK to me... she is my FAVORITE... she kicks butt! :rotfl:

    I also have a 11yr old dd and a 4yr old dd... so Disney has had me and my $$ for awhile and will for a lot longer!! I always tell my students "If it isn't a Disney movie I haven't seen it!" :rotfl2:
  14. Lil' Grumpy

    Lil' Grumpy <font color=purple>Lil' Grumpy is really a Big Swe

    Feb 14, 2006
    this is so black & white but qthing in be~teen.

    my gut feeling isn't about skin colors but the way "others"
    can make one feel , whether on purpose or not?

    just saying , my profession is in the people business too so
    it has behooved me, to learn as much as i can- about all
    the "fields" that effects; all the human behaviors that
    can produce both positive & negative results. what
    i have discovered ,there are specfic rules that made up basic
    human dynamics that can be used as a "guide" to
    improve one's quality of life.

    mental health is in many ways common sense but most
    often ignored. here's one example- one's rights end when
    their words and actions begin to hurt (physical/emotional)
    another. how do you know? when the person tells

    what i took from you observations...you are seeking to
    understand? if so , i like to suggest a book that i read when
    i was in high school-that was already 40 plus years old- in
    the 70's. i believe- it was written by a black author growing
    up in the south... i think during the 20's/30's. but it also
    contained many great lessons about human dynamics.
    lessons that has given me great success in my own life.
    good luck. oh, it 's name...."the learning tree."

    as for the person that was mistreated, so sorry that others
    hurt you. we teach, just because others rationalized their
    hurting behaviors, no person ever deserved it. however,
    you are inspiring from recovery & where you still
    sought & found happiness. impressive in~deeds!!!

    the most common mistakes we "see"- there are differences
    between self centers & self realizations and failing to
    separate the 2 hurt oneself. jus becaus- when you hurt others,
    then they will eventually leave you a-lone. loneliness is a
    most painful condition to suffer from especially when you reach

    fyi...my all ~time black american? the scientist who invented
    peanut butter. i don't know any black princess: , but i liked the
    story. and i have had many black friends that have enriched
    my life. and from those experiences, i have learn those using
    "race/color" to measure their hate , are missing out.
  15. ElenaRN

    ElenaRN Mouseketeer

    Jul 24, 2011
    Who can say why the Tiana line was shorter on that particular day?

    All the PP have brought up great reasons.

    Could it have been about race? Sure, though it was probably more of a combination of all the things listed.

    I, myself would have jumped on the line that was the shortest, no matter which princess.

    My DD (btw-her name is Evangeline) likes Tiana and knows the songs - though her Tiana phase was a few weeks ago. This week she is all about Belle. Last week it was Ariel. Next week it will be someone else.

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