The Smoking DSA's @ Resorts Info Thread

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  1. krbq

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    We just returned from 6 nights at WDW, the first night at POP and then 5 at BWV.

    We needed 2 rooms at POP and I requested them to be close to a DSA. We got first floor rooms in the 1950’s building with a DSA about 50 feet from our door, so that was convenient. At check-in I didn’t leave a credit card for room charges since we were only there for one night, so I wasn’t asked to sign anything. I really don’t think that signature at check-in has anything to do with the smoking policy, it’s just an authorization to charge the credit card for room charges.

    Anyway, the DSA at POP was well used. It was clean except the ashtray was absolutely full of butts. We weren’t there long enough to see how well it was maintained, but in the short time we were there we met many other people flocking to the same DSA.

    At BWV we had a grand villa which was 332 paces and 2 elevator rides to the closest DSA. It was a nice covered DSA with a bench, but again used by many guests. The butts would be removed but an hour later the ashtray would be full again. This particular DSA is located at the door nearest to the Bellevue Lounge on the lake side of the Boardwalk. There are 2 DSA’s on the Luna Park side, but they were tucked into the extreme corners, also by doors, and it was windy during our trip so the effect was like being in a wind tunnel. DH said there was another DSA on the other side of the Luna Park pool, along the sidewalk, but I didn’t investigate that one since it was along the waterway and would probably have been even windier there. There simply were not enough decent DSA's at the BWV to accommodate the number of smokers staying there, at least at the same time we were there.

    One cast member we asked told us that DSA’s on the boardwalk itself were located at either end, one outside of Jellyrolls and one outside of ESPN. There were many benches and one ashtray at each site but again it was windy and an unpleasant place to have a cup of coffee and a cigarette, especially after such a long hike to get there. At night both places were also heavily populated by drunks. I had a particularly unhappy encounter with a group of drunken men – I mean, knee-crawling drunk – at the Jellyrolls DSA.

    DSA’s in the parks were fewer and harder to find than on our last visit. DH soon reached a point where he wouldn’t even go into the parks. He said if he had to look for a DSA too long, he would get out of the traffic area and light up anyway. Fortunately, that didn’t happen (mainly because he didn’t go to the parks much). At Animal Kingdom I spent 20 minutes looking for a DSA marked on the map in Dinoland and asked three CM’s before I actually found it. When I did, I felt like I was going backstage. It was large and had several benches, but still it was SRO despite its size and being so hard to find.

    At the DSA’s we talked to people who admitted to breaking the rules because the rules have become too strict to follow. Too little accommodation for the smokers is having a reverse effect. I myself still followed the rules, even though it had a negative effect on my vacation and wore both DH and me out legging it to the legal smoking areas. On the positive side, we saved big $$$ by spending so little time doing anything else.

    We’re finding the DSA’s fewer, crowded, and harder to find. It really cut into our park time the last four trips, and we actually cancelled three trips in large part because we dreaded hassling with the smoking issue. We had a good time, but I was ready to leave. No more long stays at Disney for us.
     
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  3. kaytieeldr

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    ::yes:: On my last trip, I found myself smoking EVERY time I encountered a DSA, whether I wanted a cigarette or not. And often, at Epcot, between the park entrance and the bus area, in that little nook to the left where the soda machines are? And I was seldom alone there. Nobody could definitively show or explain to me where I could or couldn't smoke outside the actual park.
     
  4. 2Tiggies

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    Yes, they would clear up a lot of confusion if they just gave a clear cut policy. I don't mind being told to smoke in certain places - as long as designated areas are provided to accommodate me. ;)

    Also, inside the MK last Easter I consulted my trusty map to remind me where the nearest DSA to Pecos Bills was. One of the CMs from the restaurant saw me with the map (it always shows on my face that I don't get along well with maps :rotfl2:) and pointed me in the right direction. Well there were at leat 10 others smoking there, but I notice there was no ashtray - just hundreds of cigarette ends on the ground. I may be a smoker, but I'm not a litterbug, so I decided to move along to a different DSA instead. As I was walking away, a CM came up and told all the smokers to put out their cigarettes as it was not a DSA - it had moved, but nobody seemd too sure where to ....(????) It was still like that 10 days later when we walked by. This is the kind of unnecessary confusion through lack of effective signage and communication that gets the rule-abiding smokers into trouble. :sad2:
     
  5. kaffinito

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    That happens to me too. In WS there are two I would always stop at, and last trip one of them is now gone. It gets very frustrating when you are trying to follow the rules and then can't because they've taken away yet another DSA. None of the CM's seem to know where the DSA's are.

    Yes, that one is gone now. :sad1: So is the one between Adventureland and Frontierland. There are still smokers that go there now, even though they've moved the two sections to waayy over by Splash Mountain.

    It is getting more and more difficult to follow the rules. I wonder what's going to happen if the parks go entirely smoke free? :eek:
     
  6. kaytieeldr

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    Honestly? While I know I should quit smoking, and I really don't plan my vacations around cigarettes... I already skipped Walt Disney World in 2009 for financial reasons - and went to Las Vegas instead :rotfl2: Yes, it really was cheaper! I suppose my visits would become even less frequent, while instead I might start spending more time at DisneyLAND - because the actual park property is relatively small, and even if they banned smoking in the plaza between the parks AND at Downtown Disney, as long as Anaheim didn't ban smoking in public, it's not far to the street/public sidewalk.
     
  7. Tweevil

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    I saw issues while at AK as well. People didn't know where the DSA's were. A CM advised a patron at the Dinosaur that it was a Non smoking area. He asked (as he put it out) where is it and the CM had no clue. I helped the guy because they put up a lattice type wall up since October and the one in Dino land looked as though you shouldn't go back there at first. While we were in the DSA he said he thought they were getting harder to find and I agree they are. I keep to the DSA's myself but I did see many people smoking in unauthorized areas - more than before - both in the parks and at the resorts. Makes me wonder if it is because they are either harder to find or the placement is off. :confused3

    I also wonder because while at the resort I spoke to people who had requested a room by a DSA and didn't get it (me being one) and then spoke with people by the pool who didn't smoke and wished they weren't near one..lol - I am not sure how that works though with scheduling.

    Anyhoo.... I have my favorites in each park, I hope they stay there. lol
     
  8. 2Tiggies

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    Yeah, I think this is either because they sometimes move the DSA without amending it on the maps and people are going to the place where it should be - not realizing that it isn't! I take an ashtray as a sign that it is authorized and absence of one as a sign that I need to check or find another. I would imagine the odd innocent guest has gotten into trouble by lighting up where everyone else is smoking, when they may be in the wrong place.
     
  9. 2Tiggies

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    I doubt that the smoking issue is that big a problem for Disney - or at least not enough of an issue to warrant an outright ban. I think you have these issues wherever you are. It is basically a case of not being able to have a smoker and a non smoker within a hundred feet of each other in a public area without someone raising the issue of his/her rights :rolleyes1. That happens anywhere and everywhere.

    I just do wish they would keep their maps up to date (have I mentioned this before?:lmao:). I know it involves additional cost and work - but maybe they should consider this before moving the DSAs.......
     
  10. outahere

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    My DW wants to stay at OKW for a few nights next month and I am wondering about DSAs there. I looked at the resort map on wdwinfo, and it looks like there are only 5 DSAs on the entire property. If anyone has stayed there recently, I would appreciate any up to date info.

    Thanks.
     
  11. kaytieeldr

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    Unless things have changed - smoking is allowed outside the front/center of EVERY 'residential' building at Old Key West (and Saratoga Springs) as well as in specifically marked designated smoking areas. I know one DSA at OKW is, or was, in a little nook just to the left of the bar when you stand with your back to the river.

    All the resort maps are here http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1480681 but I don't know how current the DSAs are. Yeah, if you look at the map's key, next to the symbol for designated smoking area, it says "Designated Smoking Location (also at the front of each Guest room building)"
     
  12. outahere

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    Thanks for pointing that out. I missed the "also at the front of each Guest room building" part. Must be time for more coffee.......
     
  13. kaytieeldr

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    Nah - coffee bad for you. It's not something most people WOULD notice - except devoted smokers, and devoted ANTI-smokers :rotfl:
     
  14. kaffinito

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    I was wondering about totally non- smoking parks from the viewpoint that if the parks went non- smoking entirely, how many people would stll smoke in out of the way places, or in the case of our French visitors, would just keep on smoking?

    Long sentance, I know. ;). I don't plan trips around smoking either, but I do dread staying at a resort where DSA's are few and far between. AKL springs to mind. If you get a room on the far side of the resort from a DSA you have a long hike to get to one!
     
  15. 2Tiggies

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    I managed fine at ASMu last year and there were only 3 DSA's in the entire resort, one of which was just outside the main entrance (on the inside if you know what I mean).

    I don't think it is in Disney's best interests to go all non smoking. People don't not go because there are smokers in designated areas. However I think people would be a little reluctant to go if they smoked and there was no accommodation for them to do so. Besides, it would be hypocritical in my opinion to ban smoking on the grounds of health - while serving growing children a choice of chicken nuggets and PB&J as their only options :rolleyes1
     
  16. smidgy

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    I have a DSA quesstion about Vero Beach.

    I looked at the map.. I didn't see any DSAs on the beach. is the whole beach non-smoking?:scared1: I thought there would be 1 or 2 dsas on the side (much like at the water parks)
    anyone know? thanks
     
  17. kaffinito

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    True that! Although they claim it's healthy nuggets and PB&J ;)

    I do have AsMu on my list of resorts to try. I didn't know there were only three DSA's there though. I had no trouble at POP or at BWI either. Smoking at AKL can be a little rough though! And I thought the easiest one to smoke at was SSR. :)
     
  18. 2Tiggies

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    Agreed, but not for 2 weeks twice a day. :scared1: I know I'm exaggerating but if that is classified as a balanced diet, so is my coffe in the left hand and cigarette in the right ..... ;)


    I was okay with it. I am a single mom with one little girl so once we were in our room for the night, I wasn't going to go down anyhow as even if the DSA had been right outside, I wouldnt like to leave her. That said, I don't actually smoke inside my house at home, so I guess that helps. I also don't smoke immediately on waking in the morning so while I had no problems with it, I would never just state that it would be so for everyone. It is something to keep in mind though as it is quite a sprawled out resort. (WE loved it by the way - was worried about a value, but honestly, it was great. I would do it again - after we try POP next year). :)
     
  19. sunny45

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    We are staying at POP in the 70's building facing the lake since I remember our last visit there were many DSA's along the lake. DH is a smoker and this way he can just walk right out the door and down to the lake. Last time we were in the 80's bldg and he either went to the lake or to the laundry bldg by the Computer Pool.

    Most of the DSA's located in the parks are in very nice out of the way area's and he never felt put out by having to go to these places to smoke. They were very pretty, nicely landscaped areas.
     
  20. englishrose47

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    My main concern in the Parks is finding th DSAs !! I wish they would label them and sign them !!! I frequently had to ask a CM !!!
     
  21. flamestarrdust

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    :goodvibes Thanks for posting this info about POP. We are staying there in August and my DFiance is a smoker so now I know what kind of room to request to make it easier on him.
     

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