The slap in the face to AP holders, anyone have additional info?

Discussion in 'Budget Board' started by Sinclare, Aug 19, 2005.

  1. Sinclare

    Sinclare DIS Veteran

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    Check mouse savers if you don't know what I mean. Are we really going to have to reserve 120 days out? And more important are our discounts going to be no better than those offered to the general public? Considering not renewing again as this was part of the reason I bought the AP, to save $$$ on hotels. However, if I can do the same with AAA then I can get by cheaper just going with standard tickets.
     
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  3. Swimnoid

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    I booked for Christmas online with the new program and got the same rate I got last Christmas for AP. It was quick and easy and I didnt have to hold on the phone for an hour. Last year I had to wait with baited breath until the end of August for them to release the code. Not this year. So for me it was better. If it goes down anymore (which I cant see happening) we are guaranteed the cheaper rate.
     
  4. CarolA

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    And you can still call and book late... this just means if you KNOW you are going you don't have to play the daily call game.

    Buying an AP for discounts is iffy... there have not been as many discounts as in the past....
     
  5. DMRick

    DMRick I prefer to be tagless!

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    You won't know if anything has changed until the traditional time of when AP rates for the next time period has been released. If you go to the resort board, and click on the codes area, you'll see this has been discussed ever since the new way of booking came out.
     
  6. boomhauer

    boomhauer When the world gets in my face, I say - Have A Nic

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    Where the discounts is a MAJOR role in deciding on an AP, it all comes down to how many days you spend in the park in a given year. With my AP, I've taken 3 trips so far this year, and will be taking a 4th one next week. each trip, I spent at least 8 days in the parks - DEFINITELY worth it.
     
  7. EthansMom

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    I booked with the Best Rate Program for our trip in Dec. -- the system is buggy and I only saved around $100 per room. Since I needed two rooms, I had to book one under DH's AP and one under mine. It was kindof a pain, but certainly no worse than having to get up every morning for weeks and check the computer at 7 a.m. to see if AP rates had been released.

    We'll be going again in Jan/Feb and not sure if I'll use the Best Rate Program. BRP would only save me $95 for the week on a Moderate (over AAA rate) and I risk losing one night's deposit ($111) if I need to cancel the trip. I may just book that trip with AAA and try getting an AP rate the old way, though so many people are booking with BRP that I don't think many phone-in AP rates will be released.

    Also, the DDE card discount for restaurants makes up the the reduced AP discount for my family. But since we got the APs in order to squeeze in three trips in one year, any discounts are just gravy for us.
     
  8. DizzKneeLand

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    I am glad everyone thinks it is a good deal.

    Personally I dont like it - I do not always know I want to go to WDW 120 days before. Sometimes it is a great airfare that would spur me to take a long weekend at Disney. The new plan does not help me in the off-the-cuff trips that I like to take.

    I do not plan on renewing my AP.

    DizzKnee
     
  9. CarolA

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    See I don't get this... You can still call at the last minute and make off-the-cuff trips. There was NEVER any gurantee that an AP rate would be avaialble for those trips. Sometimes I have gotten them and sometimes I haven't. Lots of AP folks were booking as soon as they were released so I don't see this new plan as tying up that many more available rooms. It just hopefully cuts down on the hundreds of daily 7 am calls to CRO to see if "today's the day!"
     
  10. C.Ann

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    If the system wasn't riddled with problems and glitches, it would probably benefit those who know far in advance that they're plans are carved in stone..

    It will be interesting to see how many rooms are available when and if they release the AP rates in the oldfashioned way.. I don't think nearly as many people are taking advantage of it as some of you think - it just appears that way when you look on the Disney Resorts board.. Disney has many, many rooms to fill and I would be surprised if this sometimes on/sometimes off online reservation system makes much of a dent in what's available..

    Also, if gas prices continue to be a problem for people who drive and airline fares continue to rise due to the fuel situation, you may actually see Disney offering even better rates just to get people down there..

    Only time will tell.. :flower:
     
  11. KittyKitty

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    You can still get an AP rate within 120 days if Disney releases them and they are available. I like the new procedure, but then I'm a planner.


    But time will tell if it makes any difference in capacity at the resorts.

    I get an AP every other year, and then go as much as possible during that year. I want AP resort rates, but would still go if they weren't available, just cheaper resort. :earsgirl: :earsgirl:
     
  12. CarolMN

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    Maybe we AP/PAP passholders hve gotten spolied - none of the discounts associated with the AP/PAP have ever been guaranteed. They've changed every year. Some years they are better than others - the best discounts come when park attendance is down.

    Same goes for AP room discounts. They're great to have, but we're not entitled to them - Disney never promised they'd continue to offer them.

    IMHO, a change in the discount program is not "slap in the face". Sorry anyone feels that way.

    Best wishes -
     
  13. C.Ann

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    True.. I think many people came to see them as "rewards" for making multiple trips in one year though.. Kind of a "repeat customer" perk..

    If AP rates aren't available with a shorter booking time frame and they don't remove the non-refundable deposit, people will simply choose not to stay onsite, make fewer trips per year, and not renew their AP's.. The only one that really stands to lose anything (in terms of money) is Disney.. People will still make a trip or two each year and they'll still go and enjoy the parks - they'll just spend the larger portion of their money elsewhere.. :flower:
     
  14. Grumpy's Gal

    Grumpy's Gal <font color=coral>Of course, who wants to get gold

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    my thoughts exactly. I am glad we've been to Disney so many times. We definitely are NOT renewing our APs. We haven't had a vacation to anywhere else BUT DisneyWorld for years and years. We went three times in the last year and we live really far away. But we already planning a different option for next summer.
     
  15. crisi

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    I don't think they will miss you.

    According to their annual report, hotel occupancy went up from 2003 to 2004. From 77% to 78%. Not a big jump - until you look at them adding almost 15% more room nights! This was despite them offering far fewer room only discount codes in 2004.

    When Disney needs to discount to have high occupancy, they will. But when they can sell the room for full price, why should they discount? Someone else is willing to pay more for that room - in eBay terms, you've been outbid. Your reward for being an AP holder is that you are getting cheaper parks admission after eight days (or whatever). Everything else is gravy.
     
  16. C.Ann

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    And I seriously doubt whether anyone is concerned about being missed.. :rotfl: :rotfl:

    We'll just have to wait this one out and see what happens.. With fuel prices continuing to rise (which in turn causes airfares to rise) and winter right around the corner (with increased oil prices) you could very well see the travel industry hurting quite bad.. When and if that happens, Disney will do whatever they need to do to fill the rooms - much the same as they have done to "insure" that guests still come during the hurricane season by offering the free dining plans.. Great offer, but a bit of "desperation" on their part to be sure they weren't left in the same situation that they were last year during the hurricane season.. :flower:
     
  17. crisi

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    And that's the nice thing about voluntary exchange...you control how much you are willing to pay, they control how much they are willing to sell it for. When they have a surplus, they will sell for less. When you have less money, you are willing to pay less. But it isn't a slap in the face when they sell it for more to someone else - any more than it is when you don't ship your ebay listing to the first and lowest bidder.
     
  18. C.Ann

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    I can see your point, but can you provide me with any data that shows a time frame when EVERY Disney Resort room was filled at rack rate? Or did they have to rely on AP rates, AAA rates, special offers, post card rates, etc., to fill in the gaps?
     
  19. crisi

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    Does EVERY room need to be filled for Disney to make a profit? Even with deep discounts they haven't been able to fill every room. They are continuing to offer discounts, just - it appears - fewer and with less flexibility in the past. As you said, when the economy turns, Disney's discount structure will react and there will be more discounts available. Its just - don't take it personally. People around here tend to take every Disney policy decision like Eisner and Co. sat around the table and said "how can we make C.Ann's vacation more expensive." They didn't, they said "our occupancy is going up, there really isn't the need for as many discounts as there was last year." They aren't reacting to "do you hold an AP" they are reacting to "hey, we can get more for our rooms this year than last year, we should reduce the quantity of rooms offered at a discount."

    And I suspect this whole move has less to do with getting more money for rooms than being a cost cutting measure for their reservationist. Fewer phone calls to see if room rates change means fewer reservationists means less cost.

    And yes, increased profits mean Eisner and co get more money, but it also means Disney has more money to do things like open new attractions.
     
  20. KittyKitty

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    I hate to admit it, but I remember when there were no discounts!! Back in 72', we stayed offsite( wish I could remember which hotel it was :confused3 )

    I don't even know if they had different seasons. And I don't think they had AP's. We were transferring from VA to Idaho,husband in the service,no Shades of Green then, and I had to swing by to see DisneyWorld.... Yes I was an adult back then too!!! That sure is an old bug I got bit by!! :earsgirl: :earsgirl:
     
  21. Grumpy's Gal

    Grumpy's Gal <font color=coral>Of course, who wants to get gold

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    but when we can get even a small discount on a room at Disney onsite, we end up staying more days which means we spend more money in the parks and more money at the hotel and more money at the hotel restaurants........even with a room discount, they re-coup way, WAY more than that....atleast with us. But I'm still not renewing my AP.
     

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