The new ADA rules were officially published today

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  1. Justin Jett

    Justin Jett <font color=darkorchid>I will do my Elvis impressi

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    The Electric Standing Vehicles that Disney provides fit the above definition. ESV's give people a choice. People with a choice are not FORCED into anything. If people dont want to sit, get an ESV or the standing chairs that maroo spoke of. If people dont want an ESV, ECV's are available. Yes, there are a limited number of ECV's and ESV's. In that case.....get there early.

    Me, on the other hand.....I am (as you say) "forced to sit."
     
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  3. kaligal

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    Why must they get that? Why can't they use the Segway?
     
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    You can.
     
  5. Justin Jett

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    The Segway goes 12MPH
    A Segway cannot come to a sudden stop.
    A Segway is not "a device designed solely for use by an individual with a mobility impairment for the primary purpose of locomotion in typical indoor and outdoor pedestrian areas."
     
  6. Justin Jett

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    Why cant he go???? ESV's are available!

    What would he do if the Segway had never been invented?
     
  7. kaligal

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    A Segway can go 12 mph. Doesn't mean it has to. Or that it would be able to in a crowded area. I've navigated Disney with someone in a chair. It's often hard for us to go 1 mph.

    People don't always come to sudden stops, either. Nor do wheelchairs. Car's can't suddenly stop. Yeah, there are accidents sometimes. Yeah, there will be accidents with the Segways. Doesn't change my mind.

    The fact that Segways weren't labeled as devices for the handicapped doesn't mean they can't be used by those people. They aren't labeled that way - so what?

    I'm going to bow out. I know my opinion isn't the popular one. I know that my mind won't change and it will take others a long, long time, even if there is hope of them changing theirs.

    I still believe what I believe and I feel strongly about it, which is why I had to represent ;), but I'll quit bugging people.
     
  8. kaligal

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    He has many problems and is now too sick to go anywhere.

    And he'd do what he did. Not do things he couldn't do. That's how his life went. I hope others get better.

    I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you, but I really am getting off now.
     
  9. Justin Jett

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    I agree that the Segway can go slow, but there is no guarantee that EVERY Segway user WILL go slow. What would be a safe speed limit for Disney to impose on Segways? How would Disney enforce such a speed limit?

    Technically, you are correct. However, a wheelchair can stop quicker than a Segway. I would welcome a test to prove my wheelchair can quicker than a Segway.

    You are absolutly correct. However, a Segway IS indeed a safety hazard in a theme park environment.
     
  10. jcb

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    Speaking for myself, I hope you don't "bow out" from the discussion. I mean, we don't need to beat a dead horse here but your views are as valid aas anyone's. It is just that folks here get rather "lively" about this topic and they expect others to defend their assertions.

    Now, I am not saying I agree with your comment that it is "silly" for society to force folks to sit, but I do respect your opinion and willingness to speak up. If nothing else, you give Skip someone to debate with and we all know how he loves to do that! :rolleyes1
     
  11. Justin Jett

    Justin Jett <font color=darkorchid>I will do my Elvis impressi

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    I am very sorry to hear that, and I sincerely apologize for the "Why cant he go????" question.

    Your previous post came across as he stayed home because of the Segway issue. My intent was to debate you, not offend you.:)
     
  12. Justin Jett

    Justin Jett <font color=darkorchid>I will do my Elvis impressi

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    I totally agree with Jack. Differing opinions are what keep America great. Please do not be afraid to express yourself at anytime

    Life is going full speed for me right now, but this issue is extremely important to me, and I will TAKE all the time needed to talk about it. Please know that I do not mean to pick on you, just a spirited debate. I will ALWAYS be here to defend Disney in this matter.

    I just dont want Disney to ever say "No matter what we do, somebody will sue us." and then cutback on their accessibility efforts.

    Lastly Kaligal, I appreciate your honest answers to my questions. Not everyone in the great Segway debate have been willing/able to answer questions that I have posted.

    GO GATORS!!!;):lmao:
     
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  14. Justin Jett

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    "Golf Car" is the politically correct term for Golf Cart. ;)
     
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    Gators get discounted admission anytime. Volunteers get discounted admission for only one day.;)
     
  16. Justin Jett

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    A fantastic response from KPeveler, a DIS Moderator:

    http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=37573481&postcount=25

     
  17. left_arm

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    Really, this seems to boil down to the original intentions of the vehicle. Vehicles designed for use by handicapped individuals at fine, those designed fir other purposes aren't. PT Cruisers and jet packs, while they can help a handicapped visitor get from A to B easier, they weren't originally purposed for specific use as a means of increasing a disabled person's mobility. ECVs and all sorts of wheelchairs (including ones for standing) are. As long as there exists alternatives, I see no reason to start adding potentially dangerous devices in with the mix.

    While I may not be in need of a wheelchair or other similar device currently, I feel that my experience with having both my brother an father in wheelchairs gives me some background regarding the mobility of disabled individuals.
    It's amazing all the places we've managed to go together. Trips to Costco with two wheelchairs and a shopping cart are always fun. The look on the park rangers' faces at Grant's tomb was priceless after I took them both up the dozens of steps in their chairs!
     
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    It comes down to this:

    ECV's and ESV's are deliberately designed with purpose in mind- pedestrianised areas, keeping the safety of both user and pedestrian at its core. It also works on a simple principle that almost anyone with any driving or bike riding experience can adjust to with minimal hassle.

    Segways are not designed as a mobility aid and are a recreational device, therefore are not intrinsically designed to be safe in the same scenarios. Segway did not design with Disney's Christmas day crowds in mind, but rather wide open spaces with limited pedestrians. It also takes time to understand the movement of these machines, and Disney can not determine how adapt these people are with them. Disney does not let you do the Epcot Segway tour if you cannot pass the original safety tests.

    The lack of correct storage, movement (say by CM's doing transfers) and other safety concerns mean that right now Segways are not appropriate. However if they did make one with limited speed, adequate stopping, easy storage and with an override function so could be moved by someone not operating fairly easily- then it wouldn't be a problem
     
  20. wishspirit

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    I read it, and this made me angry!

    Firstly- he hasn't a clue about anything on this board, he cannot make judgements! Our vote of confidence decides the sponsors, not the other way round!!

    Secondly- We have no objection to Segways as a concept, or even as a mobility device, if it met the same standards as ECV's and ESV's. But they don't. They weren't designed to. Until the point where they can be as easily and safely manoeuvred without the fear of litigation, the ADA will have to work on a two tier system.

    Thirdly- After working with both children and adults with learning disabilities for years, I understand how difficult terminology can be. But how dare he criticise the way you phrase yourself at the end. That kind of nit picking is what is causing the backlash amongst people with not using correct terminology at all!! If it is not meant unkindly (which it obviously wasn't since you were referring to yourself) then just let it lie! If people feel whatever they say, they will be villanised, they start using language which really is deeply offensive. This I know from almost constant personal experience.

    Sorry for the rant, but posts like that really irritate me! There are ways of saying things, and posting like that isn't going to win people over to his side of the argument at all!
     
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    ::yes:: I considered joining that site solely to criticize tarkus's horrible spelling and word usage, and then ONLY because he/she had the nerve to reprimand Justin!!!!
     

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