Teen dies on a winter break cruise...

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  1. DahliaRW

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    ITA. I knew about alcohol poisoning by high school. I also knew that if my parents caught me drinking I'd be grounded for the rest of my high school days and probably have to live at home while I went to college! It's a tragedy, and one that may or may not have been preventable with education. It also could have happened on land.

    Do they sell alcohol to 18yos on cruise ships? I know legal drinking age is different by country.
     
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  3. Tiger926

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    I can't imagine that people (by people do you mean teens, adults or both?) don't know about alcohol poisoning? Alcohol is a drug, and therefore poisining is a symptom of overindulgence.

    I think many people, both teens and adults, know they can be poisoned, but they choose to ignore it or take the risk. Many teens and adults struggle with self-control when it comes to substances, especially in places like tropical environments or on vacation, where their filters may be turned off.

    This is a horribly sad story...sad because it could have been prevented, in more ways than one.

    I can't imagine the guilt, confusion and sadness that the parents and sibling must be feeling at this point...

    A horrible tragedy...Tiger
     
  4. MrsScooby

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    See I had the opposite experience. Alcohol was readily available in my home growing up :confused3
    Neither my siblings nor I ever had a drinking problem. I think for us it never had the appeal of being a taboo:confused3
    College was the first time I ever witnessed binge drinking...an eye opener for sure:rolleyes:

    I know certain states allow for minors to be served alcohol in a private residence with the permission of their parent or guardian...
    And yes, some countries, especially in Europe have much younger drinking ages ...

    I think the problem rests with education, like you said, maybe that teen would have stopped drinking sooner if he knew that there was a point where he could die ...
    I'm just making sure my kids see this and know it as something that could happen.
    Then the rest is up to them...

    Saying a prayer that this teen's family finds some peace :sad1:
     
  5. MrsScooby

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    Maybe it is my age, almost 50 :scared:
    But I don't recall alcohol poisoning ever being mentioned as a possibility back in the early 80s:confused3
    I wa shocked by how much people could and would drink. None of them ever had a medical problem until that one kid my senior year that when to the infirmary.
    Aspirin is a drug also. I do recall one kid trying to OD on it in college and damaging his liver...

    Like I said above, education about the dangers is important:)
     
  6. woody73

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    Very, very sad.

    Woody
     
  7. OrangeCountyCommuter

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    Kids don't have to get liquor from the bars. Their parents and their friends' parents carry on a ton of it. All they have to do is swipe a bottle. Just like at home.

    Maybe DCL should reconsider their policy of allowing people to bring alcohol onboard, in light of this incident.[/QUOTE]


    big brother strikes again

    Since this happened on a line where you technically can't bring on alcohol, I am not sure how your solution accomplishes anything.

    Where do you draw the line? People die swimming should we close the pools?
     
  8. bahacca

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    We know the child in question was 18 years old. In many ports of call, he would have been old enough to consume alcohol LEGALLY. So who is to say the cruise line even served this person?
     
  9. zippingalong

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    The teen could have picked up alcohol on one of the islands much easier than on the ship. The drinks have to be paid for and in the cashless society of a ship it. Would be easy enough to look at charges. He didn't look like a small boy. O that wouldn't have been caused by a couple drinks.
     
  10. Melissa S

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    Maybe DCL should reconsider their policy of allowing people to bring alcohol onboard, in light of this incident.[/QUOTE]




    Hey don't punish the responsible alcohol drinkers just because people don't know how to parent. Banning things isn't the solution. Educating people is.

    Also I was watching one of those cruise documentaries and apparently a lot of people die on board. Especially the transatlantics on cruiselines with a large elderly population. They just keep them in the morgue and keep on sailing.
     
  11. manhattanman

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    so because of a tragic accident, people who drink responsibly should be the ones to pay ?

    I probably like being with visibly intoxicated people less than most, but the historical record of attempts to protect people from themselves is abysmal. It is literally a fools errand, People have fallen or jumped from cruise ships, should DCL reconsider allowing people to have access to their verandas ?
     
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    Generally, when something bad happens on another cruise line, people here on the DIS want to know what DCL is going to do differently, so that it won't happen on a Disney ship, so my suggestion of not allowing liquor to be carried onboard was just that....a suggestion of a way for DCL to try to keep the same thing from happening on their ships. :confused3
     
  13. justmestace

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    Carnival's policy is one bottle of wine or champagne carried on, per adult.

    And just like a lot of things on Disney, some people bend the rules.
     
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    The thread is about a young person who DIED because of alcohol....whether it was alcohol poisoning, or aspiration.....still alcohol induced.....but it's interesting how many people get their feathers all ruffled up at the suggestion of a "no alcohol" carry on policy for Disney.

    Who's to say who's responsible, and who isn't? (As far as another poster saying "people who drink responsibly")
    :confused::confused::confused:
     
  15. manhattanman

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    I'm an adult, I resent in the strongest terms the notion that you are somehow a better arbitrer of what is good and what is bad for me.

    Alcohol is still legal ( if you are of age). If you chose not to partake I completely support your decision. Why wont you reciprocate ?

    if a young kid tragically drowned in a cruise ship pool ( god forbid) methinks that you would not be here advocating whether dcl should consider draining the pools. this is a bad enought tradgedy as it is, using the tragic death of an 18 year old kid as a soapbox to advocate changes in policy, is exploitive and unbecoming in my opinion.
     
  16. wdwwishes

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    Prayers and thoughts for the family, who I'm sure are questioning sooooo many things right now. Tragedies happen in all walks of life; good, bad and in the middle. Support is what they need, not scrutiny.
     
  17. cgolf

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    If you don't care for people's responses that you knew you would get from your post (regardless of the cruise line you called out DCL or other), why did you stir the pot in the first place. From posts on other threads you appear to have an ax to grind with DCL which is fine, just don't drag us in to it.

    This was a tragedy plain and simple, how it happened really is not for us to judge or react too unless we know the full story.

    Cgolf

    This thread should be locked down it is soo far off topic of the original post and is spiraling downward.
     
  18. SnowWhite2

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    Let me relay my story of DD16 on the Fantasy NYE cruise...

    DD went to the Vibe on NYE and they all left for the fireworks on the top deck at midnight. At the same time, bar servers were walking around with trays of champagne and apple cider. They let anyone take the drink of their choice. In addition, after midnight the servers roamed around the top decks of the ship filling up champagne flutes as long as they were in a hand. Again, not checking any KTTW card. DD16 and her friends were served by DCL and got very drunk. DD puked on deck in front of the white suiters (officers) and they took her down to the medical center. An hour later, a liter of IV fluids and $1012 bill she returned to the cabin with DH. The Vibe counselors asked her the next day what happened to her that she didn't return to the Vibe. She was in the programming, they all went to watch the fireworks and continued to celebrate back in the Vibe.

    I'm not saying that my DD should be held harmless in this incident, but I think that DCL should look at their policies on serving alcohol on NYE. I talked to Guest Services and they summoned a white suiter in beverage services and everyone passed the buck. It ended up that the beverage services manager said it was a security issue (several days later once I ran into him in the hall).

    DD's friends were very drunk also and went to their room to get sick and pass out. The incident this young man experienced this week could have happened to one of her friends. Very scary....and I'm not quite as upset about the medical bill now.


    Let the flames begin :scared:
     
  19. cgolf

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    Not sure why you would get flamed, DCL needs to do a better job of controlling the alcohol on occasions like this. There is no excuse for that. I grew up in a family that owned a beer dist., so I know how out of bounds that is. Shame on DCL and the servers for letting this happen, hopefully those responsible were held accountable (Fired). Hopefully your DD learned a lesson from this too which could be a silver lining out of a bad deal.

    cgolf
     
  20. tinkerone

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    right on!!! maybe this thread could take a half turn and become the voice of compassion and not become a debate. lets not get angry at each other or preach who is right or wrong. we don't know the whole story, probably never will.
    lets just give our thoughts and prayers to this unfortunate family and leave the what if's out. no personal insults. please. :grouphug:
     
  21. lbgraves

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    ITA with this! It sounds like it would have been easy for a child to get a glass of alcohol without realizing what it was. Once it started affecting her, her reasoning would have been impaired. I am glad that your daughter is okay. As far as you knew, she was with the Vibe programing. I wouldn't have been concerned either as her parent. She was with the group. Glad that the officers were there and saw her as well instead of just escorting her to your room to sleep it off.
     

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