Teen dies on a winter break cruise...

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  1. zippingalong

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    A Saratoga Springs teen died the night before returning home from a winter break cruise this week. I'm not posting the cruise line as it doesn't really matter.

    The teen (17) was sharing an inside room across the hall from his parents verandah with his 14 year old brother.

    The 14 year old woke up his parents because his brother was making strange noises and he was unable to wake him up. It appears the teen vomited and aspirated.

    The medical crew worked on the boy but he died before he could be taken off the ship for emergency care on land.
     
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  3. wallawallakids

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    Oh my. That is so sad. How horrible for the family.
     
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    I didn't see any articles that mentioned the cruise line at all....nor the cause of death.
    I did see one article that alluded to suicide.

    What a shame.
     
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    Horrible..horrible news..as a parent I just couldnt imagine the pain they are going through.
     
  8. EPCOTatNight

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    This morning the Carnival Miracle returned to New York with the body of an 18 year old high school student aboard.
    The young man, scheduled to graduate from Sarasota Springs High School this spring, reportedly died of alcohol poisoning last night. He has been described as a "polite young man"*in a local newspaper*and as a "great, gentle kid" by extended family members on an on line cruise community website Cruise Critic.
    18 year old kids are not suppose to die on cruises or during school breaks.
    There will be debate where the alcohol came from and who is responsible for the young man's death.
    One thing is certain. There's way too much emphasis on booze in the Carnival cruise experience. It's too easy for teenagers to gain access to alcohol on cruise ships. Its particularly easy when bartenders, working for tips, serve too many drinks without any regard to where the drinks eventually end up. *
    In 1994, the LA Times published an article "Boy's Death Raises Issues of Drinking On Cruises." A 14 year old boy*aboard Royal Caribbean's Majesty of the Seas consumed so much rum and tequila that he literally drank himself to death. The cruise line corporate communications manager at the time responded to the minor's death cavalierly saying "the best advice that you can give is that a cruise is a resort vacation. It's not a baby-sitting service."
    So should parents watch over their teenagers like they zealously do at home? *That's not what the cruise lines like Carnival tell you to do. *
    If you click on the "Cruise Booze" category to the left you'll see dozens of articles about excessive alcohol sales on cruises. The more booze on cruises, the greater the risk of crimes and death. As a parent of an 18 year-old-about-to-graduate, I find it hard to even think for a second of going on a cruise and returning without my son alive.*
    Many years ago, my wife and I took a vacation to Disney World with our two boys. While my wife was watching our kids in the pool, I ordered a beer for myself and a wine for my wife. *The Disney bartender said he could sell only one drink per adult. *So I had to ask my wife to come buy her own drink. *I thought what a pain this was, but it was a responsible policy designed to keep alcohol away from underage drinkers.
    There is nothing remotely resembling such a policy on cruise ships. Pushing alcohol is the business model of the cruise industry.
    If this death becomes a story covered by the major press, you will see attacks on the parents for not supervising their child. *But most parents have no idea just how out-of-control cruise ships like Carnival are. Carnival earns many hundreds of millions of dollars aggressively pushing the booze. There are few security guards, There are no real safeguards like I experienced at the Magic Kingdom. *
    Most parents spend their lives watching their kids like a hawk, but once on a cruise they get caught up in the fantasy environment marketed and sold by the "'fun ships." *They let their guard down. The result is tragedies like this while the cruise line makes millions of dollars selling booze. * *
    February 27 2013 Update: Here's the statement from Carnival we received this morning:
    "We can confirm that an 18-year-old male guest passed away in his cabin at approximately 3 a.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 26 during an eight-day voyage of the Carnival Miracle which ended later that morning in New York. The cause of death has not been determined. With regard to speculation that he may have died from alcohol poisoning, we can confirm that, based on the preliminary investigation, there is no indication he was served any alcohol by shipboard personnel. Following his death, the cruise line contacted the FBI as per standard practice in this type of occurrence. FBI representatives boarded the ship on Tuesday morning to conduct an investigation. No foul play is suspected. We extend our deepest sympathies to young man's family and loved ones during this very difficult time." *
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    Too many speculations as to cause of death - My guess is there's an investigation going on. I just hope is not due to intoxication or anything like it.
     
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    They are doing a autopsy in New york.the reports said he 18 and was drinking a good bit.

    In any case our prayers to the family!

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  11. sayhello

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    How terribly sad.

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    That's not far from where I live at all and we didn't hear about it locally. So sad!
     
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    That IS a shame. Very sad, no matter where it happens, or when.


    But can I ask people to PLEASE not turn this into a "CRUISE LINE DEBATE"?

    Please?


    Teens and young adults make bad decisions all the time.....it has nothing to do with cruising.
     
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    What a terribly sad story for all concerned, but especially for the younger sibling who will live with that memory for the rest of their life and. I would think, a huge burden on (totally unfounded) guilt about what they think they could have done.

    So sad. :(
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  16. sayhello

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    Not necessarily. If you read the article above, if it turns out that it was alcohol poisoning, it has everything to do with cruising, and the atmosphere of booze, booze, booze frequently associated with it.

    But I do think it could happen on any cruiseline. No one is totally immune to it.

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    Here is the latest post from the family member.

    I want to thank everyone for their condolences on behalf of Seths family. And I appreciate everyone sparing my feelings as well. The family is not blaming anyone for this tragedy. An Autopsey is being done in NYC and the FBI is involved. So until they know exactly what happened, theres no sense in speculating. All i know is security called the parents, told them their son was drunk and they needed to come get him. They took him to the infirmary and the nurse said theres 2 things they could do. Either leave him there and be charged or take him to your room and watch him. Either way, he will wake up tomorrow with a hangover. They chose to take him to the room. He fell asleep, snoring,,,,then suddenly had trouble breathing, gasping for air. Parents called the emergency number and started CPR. His step-dad is a Saratoga firefighter. He continued for 30 minutes, exhausted, it took that long for emergency personell to show up. They started CPR as well and Seth never came back. It truely is a tragedy and now his parents are making funeral arrangments for a kid who had a great future.

    To the kids who happened to Meet Seth, be happy that you met a truely good kid. He didnt suffer and was having the time of his life when he passed.

    Thank You again everyone....it is appreciated!!

    The thread has been removed from cruise critic
     
  18. EPCOTatNight

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    I agree. The proliferation of alcohol makes it more likely to find people over indulging.
     
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    That's a load of garbage. This kind of thing happens at home, in high schools and colleges all over the country. WAY more often than it does on ANY cruise line.........


    And if you see the post above, a quote from a family member, then the parents share the blame. I'd read that they weren't in the same room with their son all night......they took responsibilty, rather than let the cruise line's medical center do it, and now they have to live with that decision.
     
  20. EPCOTatNight

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    I thought you didn't want this to turn into a debate. You are all over these boards arguing with people when something bad happens on a Carnival ship. No one in this thread made any derogatory remarks except for you. So, please heed your own advice and steer this thread back on topic.
     
  21. Tonka's Skipper

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    Its not a line issue, it can happen anywhere afloat and ashore...........is just as sad.


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