Well, darn. I guess I am going to have to get out a MS map and check this out! Well, yes, I do manage to tolerate my son, but sometimes, he makes it difficult! Such as, when I babysit for them so they can have a night out (when I go see the little whippersnappers!). He leaves me a list of "reminders" of do's and don't's! Did he forget that I raised him and he turned out just fine? Anyway, as soon as they are out the drive, the list goes with him! More or less! We do the important things, like no candy for meals, no jumping on the furniture, no setting fires, etc. But the silly rules (like not wearing your swimsuit in the house). Hey, that's a dumb rule so we just kinda forget that one! DDIL is okay with enforcing the main rules, just DS that's a stickler. I get my share of lectures! My rule of thumb is, enforce the rules that will get DGD in trouble when I leave because I don't want her to get in trouble and make her life difficult after I am gone. I think both her parents probably know that's what is going on anyway! It's just really hard when the other set of grandparents get to see the grandkids several times a week. They really don't know how lucky they are! Not complaining about them, they are very nice people and they raised a great daughter. I truly love my DIL. Sorry, OT. Alan: great success I see. Couldn't happen to a nicer family!