Discussion in 'Disney Rumors and News' started by Rumors Rocks, Jun 19, 2013.
I'm good with Starbucks. Now if Disney puts in a Wal-mart.......booooooo!
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He would say Finally!
~This is a Starbucks, as you can see there are no Disney baked goods available before 11AM.
~Here is the leftover tray of Disney "treats" they throw on the bottom shelf. Eww.
~In all fairness, I don't frequent the bakery. I've only had one cupcake at Disney World in all my trips, it had white frosting and sprinkles. OMG, that cupcake was incredibly vile. I thought I was going to indulge in this decadent vanilla buttercream frosting but turns out it was "whipped cream." I have never tried another Disney cupcake again. I've never had a Disney "cinnamon roll" either so I don't know what I'm missing in that regard. I have had a Starbucks cinnamon roll, they're served cold and you have to request them to be warmed. I like the flavor and filling, the outer ring can be hard but the center is yummy.
~Starbucks has confirmed that this is a Starbucks store, and Disney chooses to promote this place as a "bakery" because they can. And, people will still call it a bakery -- like some people still refer to DHS as MGM. But, I really appreciate Starbucks message, they are very clear and concise about their company goals and what they're striving to achieve. I prefer their honest approach far better. Starbucks has so much respect for their consumer base, it's really hard to find fault with them.
~Anyway, guests who are looking for "bakery" goods should go to Fantasyland, and Disney says this on their website.
~This is NOT my argument, at all. I would never argue about "sponsorship" in the parks. The bakery was replaced with a common coffee franchise. I don't see this as a "bakery" anymore. If you choose to, that's perfectly fine. It's just a difference in opinion.
~The reviews I read described the place as empty in the afternoon. You could walk right up to the counter and order. That's not what I want to hear at all, I want this place packed in the morning while we head straight for the rides.
~Frankly, I haven't seen a single post about "sponsorship" in the parks, except from the posters who support the change and you are no exception.
~While I did not frequent the bakery, I was disappointed to see it succumb to a Starbucks. They could have put this place anywhere else and honestly the new Fantasyland would have been the perfect location for this venue or "anywhere" else. Like Tomorrowland with a Star Wars themed Starbucks, that could have been epic.
~I'm going to have to guess that the reason Disney didn't allow a Starbucks in Fantasyland is because the Starbucks drinks would upstage the LeFrou's Brew at Gaston's Tavern. It's the only logical reason I could think of, so the bakery was the consolation prize.
~LOL. I like it and why should anyone be "outraged?" Anyway, it's a "cafe" so the menu and offerings are open to interpretation. The name works well for some reason -- Carnation Cafe has a nice ring to it -- maybe because "Carnation" is also the name of a flower, so the name can assume two different identities or meanings.
~Awww, there are even "carnations" that serve as centerpieces on the tables.
There are 2 different disappointments with the Starbucks sponsorship.
1) "How can Disney invite this corporation in? That's so un-Disneylike!"
2) "My beloved [or maybe not quite beloved...but you get the gist] bakery is now primarily a coffee shop /sadface"
For #2 - I sympathize. For #1, those people are wrong. Simply, flat out, undeniably wrong. Apparently, I mistook your comments about the number of Starbucks locations as meaning you took issue with Starbucks itself, rather than it going to a coffee shop vs a bakery. If that's your stance, then I totally sympathize. I've had some of my favorite things changed to different formats too, and it always stinks.
(Personally, I haven't been there yet to decide on my own if it's a "bakery" or a "coffee house". I'll swing by in October though and report back! (Erm...well, I'll probably forget to report back...and since I don't drink coffee I'll probably skip the bakery/coffee house...so yeah. It sounded good when I first wrote it though!)
The "Starbucks" issue though has been brought up, many times. Perhaps not directly in this thread, but in several threads elsewhere on the boards as well as in the first article linked in the OP. For some people (perhaps, not yourself, but others frequenting these boards) it IS the main thing rather than the type of venue. There has been a general, ignorant backlash against having Starbucks sponsor the venue since "Walt Disney World is a place of DREAMS not NAME BRANDS!!! KEEP DISNEY WORLD A DREAM NOT A SELLOUT!!!"
And perhaps, there's some disconnect with me here, since I'm not a coffee drinker. I don't associate coffee shop with Starbucks. So when people complain they put a Starbucks there, I assume they're keying off the brand rather than the type of venue (especially when they go and add in the number of Starbucks nation/world-wide into the argument .) Maybe it's more of a Kleenex vs. Facial Tissue type of thing for others that I just don't "get?"
(I still think the first article is very poorly written and hugely biased and slanted toward one side. A 10 minute Google search would have come up with better background than they presented. Plus, there's no guest viewpoint supporting or at least understanding the change, only the corporate spokespeople that they want to illustrate as "out of touch".)
I'm going to guess that the reason the Starbucks is on Main Street is because -
1. People want their coffee in the morning, on their way in to the park. Why put it at the back of the park to inconvenience the guests?
2. Main Street is supposedly a shopping district, this is where the coffee shop or bakery or whatever you want to call it belongs.
3. Probably a somewhat lesser consideration was, locating it on Main Street will draw the people who want a Starbucks drink in the afternoon/evening back to Main Street, where they may feel compelled to shop more. I'm sure it was a consideration, but like I said, lesser so than the first 2 reasons.
Most people who don't follow every move WDW makes, and/or didn't regularly go to the bakery, won't even know the difference. The façade is the same... small town American Main Street.
I do give Starbucks credit for trying. It's a froo froo coffee world, lol, just not for some of us.
Ever notice how when you go to some attractions and restaurants there is a lot of specific type of vendors selling things such as Nestle or carnation? Even the old illumination show at Epcot would state that it was sponsored by General Electric. As far as Starbucks being part of it I think that that is just another type of sponsor that's coming to the park. And honestly I think Walt would know that this is what guess want. Mickey doesnt want people going of Disney property to go get there morning coffee. If they do then they may not have their breakfast at Disney. In the long run it's a way to keep the guests in Disney and that for sure is what walt would have wanted.
True, but by that time many of us are ready for a second jolt ;-) Also, it's not as if Starbucks' business is limited to that morning rush. Most shops seem to remain pretty busy throughout the day. I know I'll be more than happy to spend my free dining snack credits on venti iced green tea lattes in the afternoon.
That seems consistent with the fact they removed all the seating. I suspect they'll sell a lot of drinks but the lines will move efficiently and people will get in and out of there.
Starbucks on Main Street is just a sign of the times. Low carb and gluten free diets are becoming more prevalent. If I ate one of those cinnamon rolls he size of my head the sugar crash would send me to bed for the rest of the day Starbucks is how people snack today.
If you're troubled by capitalistic enterprises you should probably avoid Disney as well as Starbucks.
Starbucks seems to enjoy a more favorable reputation here in the States than many other large corp's. They pay decent wages and provide health benefits for part time employees (at least I think they still do).
I really don't get all the discontent over the Starbucks, they took one coffee shop out and put a different one, not owned by Disney, in its place. No big deal. I mean Disney is all about change, if it stayed static they would not have lasted this long. Aren't many of the big rides sponsored by one company or another? Test Track is sponsored by GM and for years Ellen's Energy Adventure was sponsored by ExxonMobil.
My only issue with Starbucks is that I would rather see them put in little coffee shops at the resorts near the Monorail and bus stations. I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather be drinking my coffee while I was on my way to the parks not once I'm inside.
i am not a big fan of starbucks altho i do love good coffee, theirs is just not my favorite. i love the bakery and feel that it should just stay "main street bakery" and not be an advertisement for starbucks.
are other brands of coffee or foods used to advertise? i guess soft drinks may be the same.
Couldn't agree more!! Disney is a big corporation that often partners with other big corporations. To make money for its investors. Who knew?!
Walt would be very happy. He often tried to partner with the best, and while I am not a Starbucks fan, they are the biggest and best in the states right now. Now that Starbucks is at MK, my daughter will give SB & WDW an extra $50 or $60 this September.
Haters gonna hate.
Agreed-- I have never bought a coffee in the parks, and now I might. Probably will. That's much better than never.
On another note-- I could see this drawing some people away from the Ice cream shop-- If my choice in the afternoon is between some ice cream or a solo venti carmel frappuccino, I think I would go with the caffeine splendor rather than the sugar only delight. They should make caffeinated ice cream.
I want some!
I'm not sure how I feel about this one yet. Im a big Starbucks fan, but not sure if it fits in with MK.
Ive seen pictures but haven't seen it in person yet, so I have to hold judgement till I get there. I know Ill miss the regular/old bakery. It was always fun to stop in there.
I hope that they still have some of the great baked goods, and not just Starbucks' brand baked goods.
Starbucks was my favorite coffee before I decided to ditch caffeine (decaf just isn't the same :[ ). I might have to cheat a little and get a coffee while I'm there... I high recommend an iced white chocolate mocha, btw.
Just so you know, Main Street Bakery Cast Members still work for WDW. Starbucks only provides the product. The turnover of Cast Members occurred because WDW starts new Main Street businesses with new Cast Members. Existing Cast Members were not given the opportunity to remain at Main Street Bakery. Most of the original Cast Members at Main Street Bakery were part-time College Program members who transferred to other sections. As of Yesterday, when my wife and I visited MK, and patronized Main Street Bakery, things seem to have stabilized. The drinks came quickly, and the bakery items were pretty good.
In my opinion, I think WDW has done a good job with the Bakery, other than removing the seating. But, I do understand that. Brand name coffee (much better than the Nescafe crap they used to serve) and fairly quick service (much faster than the Starbucks here in Lakeland) give the new Main Street Bakery a definite plus in my book.
Walt liked to make money and I *believe* was a coffee drinker, so I'm sure he'd be completely happy when he saw drinkable coffee in his parks
My mom didn't know about the changeover but hated the coffee at WDW for years. She and dad go almost every year for F&W, but they don't keep up with WDW news. She almost cried at MK 2 weeks ago when she saw Starbucks on our girls trip. She asked me if it was real Disney Magic Let's just say many skinny venti iced mochas were enjoyed!
Another word in favor of the new bakery/coffee shop (and I'm NOT a Disney apologist), is that the layout is so much nicer from an ease of use perspective. I almost always avoided the old Mainstreet Bakery like the plague (and would get any pastries at the hotel, I understand they are all made in one place in WDW anyway) due to the clastrophic nature of the layout and inability to handle the crowd. Just a perspective. I don't think it diminishes Mainstreet at all, but I also understand its a themepark, not a living documentary of early 1900s Americana
Now if they ever get rid of IASW, that would be the end of the world for sure!
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