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So What's Coming to the New Pleasure Island?

Discussion in 'Disney Rumors and News' started by KINGBOBOFTHENORTH, Aug 25, 2008.

  1. KINGBOBOFTHENORTH

    KINGBOBOFTHENORTH DIS Veteran

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    Well this is true. Suppose that CW and AC were actually money losers because of the cost to run them versus the actual revenue generated inside. But they were there anyway because they were part of the PI package of different clubs. But once a ticket or AP was sold, Disney did not know where the purchaser went with the ticket. In most cases there was no attendance taking measures other than not to exceed building capacities. In the later years after the island was open to all, the only place the ticket was scanned was at the club of initial use. And that could hardly be used to allocate revenue. Heck, I always got my armband at a club with no one in line even though I didn't stay there even a minute.

    Interestingly over at CityWalk, whether you have their AP or a 1-night all-club ticket, they scan it one time at each club. So they know where it is being used and I have to guess that if I go into 3 venues that night, they allocate the ticket revenue to those 3 venues. So while it's a pain for me to have the ticket scanned multiple times each night I'm there, it does give CityWalk much more information about use than Disney ever collected.

    If any clubs actually reopen they will no doubt have to justify their own existence. And Luv2Roam, you are so right! You would think that Mickey, the king of souvenirs, would have had merchandise available at every venue.

    BobK/Orlando
     
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  3. Luv2Roam

    Luv2Roam Dexter: Takes Life. Seriously.

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    However there was other revenue generated due to PI.
    I am just speaking from our PI experiences, although I am sure there are many like us.
    We had upgraded APs or a PI pass. We dined at WDW, spent money shopping and then went to PI. Spent money at PI and DTD. Even sometimes staying overnight onsite due to PI.
    Actually no PI has saved us quite a bit. Downgraded passes, or none at all. Don't dine on site near as much. No dining on site means no shopping in the WDW stores afterwards. We don't even bother going to DTD.
    We still dine and shop. However now it is just as likely to be away from WDW.
    And again I cannot imagine there are not others like us who changed habits.
    We probably have saved quite a bit of $ and time since PI closed. That is the way I look at no PI on the positive side for us.
     
  4. KINGBOBOFTHENORTH

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    I agree fully. I have been out to PI once to eat at T-REX but other than a couple picture taking visits and my New Year's Eve visit to see what was happening (nothing!), I don't visit DTD anymore. I don't go to the DTD restaurants nor do I go to any of the shops. A hotel stay out there was an annual event but there is no reason to now. After leaving CityWalk at 2am last night my routing home took me on SR 535 by Crossroads. Back in the PI-era there would be a long line of cars at the McDonald's drive-thru there. If the place was even open last night at 2am I couldn't tell; there were zero cars in line.

    I agree the PI closure had had a great impact to Disney.....and to many others. But it's not too late to reverse course; I think all of us would return to our nightlife home base if given the opportunity!

    BobK/Orlando
     
  5. Jason71

    Jason71 Brother to pirates and corsairs...

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    Catching up a bit here...

    I've heard the lighting from Mannequins is gone. Whether to AI or Property Control or parts unknown, I don't know, but not in the club anymore, which would suggest why they might use BET rather than Mannquins. Also, I imagine Mannequins would be the easier building to "retrofit" into a restaurant, should any 3rd party be gullible enough to sign up.

    Even if this rumor is true, don't count on CW reopening with the AC. Supposedly all the decor from the floor to halfway up the wall has been removed. No idea why they cleared it, or why only half so far, but that's the word.

    Just to echo what King Bob said about McDonalds, last time I was in the "Awful Waffle" on 535 the waitress was lamenting that business has been horrible since PI closed. So there have definitely been ripple effects in the community.
     
  6. zulemara

    zulemara <font color=royalblue>Oh Boy! I'm a WDW sailor!<br

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    I have heard directly from someone who saw the inside of CW that half the decorations, starting at the top and working down, have been removed. Of course I don't think anyone would really care if they opened it back up and put some new stuff up. Who cares if it's half empty for a little bit? We just want our shows back!

    As for Mannequins, my contact said the lighting for AI was finished before PI closed and he knows because he was a test so that puts that to rest in my mind. If it's really not in the building, then it's probably in a van back in the cast services area on the other side of the street from DTD.

    Or it could be still inside mannequins. I have yet to hear reports of anyone actually seeing the inside without lighting. From what I have read(or remember reading) it's all speculation. I do think it's true that Mannequins and 8-trax were both sold given the immediate cover up they did and the taking down of the little things outside 8-trax. From looking inside 8-trax all I could really see was the big bathroom sign. If I could get closer I could get up to the window and see if anything else is torn apart.

    I'm so torn about this whole thing, but ultimately, I don't care where, I just want my techno club on property back! I hate having to drive 15 miles down the road only on a certain night of the week and put up with drag shows that kill the dance floor in the middle of the night. I want non stop techno every night the club is open(I'd be fine with thurs-sat) No shows, no BS, just lots of dancing and lights. All the replacement clubs have cheap lighting anyway except HOB, so even BET lights would be better than what is currently offered.

    The same goes for 8-trax! Give me the 70s and 80s again baby! Citywalk is doing a nice job of it, but I wish they would include 70s too!

    If it wasn't raining right now I'd go to DTD just to check the doors of AC and see if they have black stuff over the other 2 doors or if it's still only over the revolving doors.

    All I can say is I hope they figure out what they are doing and I hope they figure it out soon! I also hope Kevin Lansberry takes a severance package and I wish I could buy back mannequins and 8-trax and rebuild it!
     
  7. KINGBOBOFTHENORTH

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    Well I did report on one person who still works on PI that said a few months ago that nearly everything electronic had been stripped out of Mannequins. He reported actually being inside Mannequins and seeing this AND witnessing vans there every day loading up. I think I mentioned it somewhere here on Disboards but it's definitely reported in my November 12, 2008 blog entry at:
    www.savepleasureisland.blogspot.com

    It makes sense that something might still be coming to the Mannequins/8TRAX building because otherwise, per my newest rumor reopening those two clubs in new locales, why not just put them back where they were? But can they tear down the club parts but leave the stores operating? If not, can they actually retrofit a restaurant or stores or both into that kind of space? It's actually quite huge and there's that dang revolving dance floor!

    BobK/Orlando
     
  8. Scurvy

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    Well even though I think it's ridiculous, I would think they could just put a new floor over the revolving one if they needed to. It seems like a huge waste to do that, though.

    Frankly, I still think it was absurd to close all of the dance clubs. I think that it would have made much more sense to take whichever one had the best space (Mannequins?) and play different music on different nights, if they thought that having all the different clubs was overkill. I wasn't a dance club person - I spent all my time at the Adventurers Club - but even I know that lots of people do like to dance and if Disney isn't going to offer it then everyone will have to go somewhere else. I do hope the rumors are true that they will reopen at least a couple of the dance clubs. And the Adventurers Club, of course. :)
     
  9. zulemara

    zulemara <font color=royalblue>Oh Boy! I'm a WDW sailor!<br

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    ok you got me. If they were put in vans, then my friend is probably right, that they're just across the street unused. I wasn't able to see any electronics by peeking in the window...only one mannequin hanging off the railing on the second level /cry

    and you still didn't list Pulse for Saturday night house music.

    All we can do at this point is wait and pray. It's just so sad to see that floor go to waste!
     
  10. Brian_WDW74

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    Here's the latest rumor from Screamscape:
    Take it with a pinch of that salt they'll be putting in the tequila bar.
     
  11. zulemara

    zulemara <font color=royalblue>Oh Boy! I'm a WDW sailor!<br

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    /faint
     
  12. KINGBOBOFTHENORTH

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    I have a phone conference scheduled for this Thursday with my Disney rep. Based on the new rumors I reported, I was going to again try to rent Motion. Now there may be some even better options available! This is exciting......WOW! I'll report back on here this Thursday night.

    BobK/Orlando
     
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    Good luck!
     
  14. Jason71

    Jason71 Brother to pirates and corsairs...

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    Yes, all doors covered as of Sunday. Also, rumor is from now on private shows will load from the "back door" (on the waterfront). No more incidents of security leaving the door open and people walking in, lol.
     
  15. stoudt6

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    I know the thread topic is PI clubs , but I was wondering if someone can tell me what is going on with Atlantic Dance over at the Boardwalk. Everytime I have taken the time to walk to the entrance and look in I don't see many people. my Questions are the following: Does it get full at all? If not why not close it or perhaps move one of the former PI clubs there. While i'm at it there has been a long standing rumor about ESPN club moving to West side repalcing DisneyQuest, if that would happen maybe a second cub could be moved there.
     
  16. zulemara

    zulemara <font color=royalblue>Oh Boy! I'm a WDW sailor!<br

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    you can find all the answers to your questions at http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2048392

    If you have any others feel free to post them there and I will respond as best I can. I am door host there tonight, so come visit me!

    As for AC, I went to PI last night and there is still only black stuff on the revolving doors, not the two doors to the right of that. At first glance it looks like it, but when you stand directly in front of the doors, you can still see in.
     
  17. Brian_WDW74

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    Another update from Screamscape. Hopefully some life will come back to PI.
     
  18. zulemara

    zulemara <font color=royalblue>Oh Boy! I'm a WDW sailor!<br

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    /double faint
    omg I'm gonna scream, and then I'm gonna cry, and then I'm gonna scream again!
     
  19. PDJPrinceCharming

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    Although I support the re-opening of PI(especially if they bring back the CW) I would inquire on how the pricing would work. Would people pay cover charge for each club or would they offer the all club pass? Let's just say that they open Mannequins, 8-Trax, CW & AC. Would only 4 clubs convince you to buy that "& More" option or would you be willing to drop the money on paying for an all club pass? I welcome the return of PI because it was really depressing taking those pics back in December seeing an empty place, especially the pin cart in front of CW. Here's hoping by September when I go back down, that PI is alive & well.
     
  20. zulemara

    zulemara <font color=royalblue>Oh Boy! I'm a WDW sailor!<br

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    If disney was smart(and they rarely seem to be these days) they would just reopen BET(new mannequins), Motion(new 8-trax), and AC and charge 10 dollars/club. With all the press and all the angry people about PI leaving, I bet they would pay it, especially the AC fans. It's what disney does best, raise the price and lower what you get for it(fantasmic anyone?)

    I think that's a little ahead of things though. Lets just get those clubs open for A) private events and B) the public and then worry about ticketing I think. I certainly hope something good comes sooner rather than later.

    Also a note: PI live's contract has been renewed for 2 months. I won't say who told me, but lets just say you never know who will walk through the doors of atlantic dance on a tuesday night!
     
  21. Brian_WDW74

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    Here's a new rumor posted yesterday by the Orlando Sentinel about Mannequins.

     

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