Orlando Sentinel story about "inappropriate fondling" on the Dream

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  1. Otter49

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    From the DCL website:

    "As required by the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010, the following information is provided as part our commitment to your safety and security."

    "Disney Cruise Line has zero tolerance for crime on board its vessels. On international voyages that embark or disembark in the United States, Disney Cruise Line is required by federal law to report on board felonies and missing U.S. nationals to federal agencies. For a missing U.S. national and all serious felonies (homicide, suspicious death, kidnapping, assault with serious bodily injury, sexual assaults as defined by federal laws, firing or tampering with the vessel, or theft of money or property in excess of $10,000) the incident must be reported to the F.B.I. by telephone as soon as possible, to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security electronically, and to the U.S. Coast Guard in writing. These requirements apply to incidents that occur on board in U.S. territorial waters, or on the high seas or in foreign waters if the assailant or victim is a U.S. national."

    This info is then followed with phone numbers for the FBI, Coast Guard, and numerous local law enforcement departments, including Port Canaveral.

    I wonder if these reports were filed. I'm guessing not since DCL doesn't show up in Q3 2012 reporting on the Coast Guard website.
     
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  3. Zeppelin

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    we may never know- but i think Disney put themselves in a hard spot rather than finding themselves in a hard spot...had they called local authorities immediatelyand authorities respond, "we have no jurisdiction" then that part of the conversation is no longer up for debate...according to the timeline shown, DCL had reason to believe the allegation was true before the Dream left port...
     
  4. Zeppelin

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    disagree completely...

    what happened to this girl is similar to a teacher sexually abusing a school child or a pastor/priest doing the same...

    in the CM she saw someone she thought she could trust, though could help her but instead it was worse than she could imagine...as far as trauma- i could imagine how the girl felt the rest of the cruise whenever she saw a male CM, never mind any CM that had a resemblance to her assaulter...

    you could be correct- but at least the guy would've had a record, likely as a sexual predator, which would be a huge scarlet letter around his neck in a lot of countries....
     
  5. Zeppelin

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    couldn't have said it better...in the CM she saw someone she thought she could trust or go to for help in a time of need...
     
  6. SapphireMind

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    I just highly doubt that the guy would have any sort of a felony conviction. He'd get protected from the other population because he wouldn't be in the big prison yet because he wouldn't have been convicted yet. And again, frequently, our solution to criminals from other countries is to just send them back where they came from.

    None of that justifies anything, but I find it hard to get nearly as worked up when he has probably the same result even if it had been done through FL police.
     
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    I only know the name of the CD. Honestly, I was in too much pain and too doped up to think to get their names, or a copy of anything except my onboard medical bill.
    I think I may have thought that knowing that they were the"Heads of" those departments on that particular cruise was enough. They gave me a card with the name and phone number of the person to contact shore side ( who I did call) and I trusted them. I followed up later with letters and emails to our TA, to DCL Guest Services, and to the supposed address of the President of DCL.
    Our TA got nowhere with her questions, I never heard back from the President's office and Guest Services sent a brief letter saying they were sorry, nothing they could do, but hoped to see me onboard again sometime.
     
  8. Zeppelin

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    that's unbelievable....

    if there's any silver lining to this its someone in Disney/DCL has surely stepped up and taken notice; whether its the initial story or threads like this (i firmly believe they have CM's checking dedicated Disney sites to see what's being posted)...
     
  9. rhorsley

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    What makes you think they stepped up or took notice? Did I miss a post?
     
  10. KashasMom

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    It's disappointing that Disney has not responded as of now. I don't expect that they will.

    What's really rattled me though is the realization that there is no way for DCL to be checking the people they're hiring to watch my child.
     
  11. Zeppelin

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    my assumption based on the fact this story has been out in the public for less than five days....never mind the fact if you read the early posts from this thread people/posters have called DCL with their concerns...
     
  12. rhorsley

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    Ah...I hope so. I emailed 2 days ago and didn't even get the obligatory "thanks for contacting us" response :(
     
  13. Wadekind

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    The Facts are in order.
    1.The incident was reported to DCL 2 hours before sail away. A 30sec. phone call was all the effort it would have taken.
    2.Security delayed reporting this to the authorities who had jurisdiction at the time of the accusation. They didn't need an ID before calling the police. They had the victims statement.
    3.It was for the local police detectives to investigate and determine if an arrest needed to be made. Not DCL.

    I believe the girl who was molested had her vacation "ruined" as you say the moment the guy cornered her in the elevator.

    And YES, ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT I will take justice over yours or 10 million peoples delayed (not ruined) sail away party. DCL did not have to sail before this guy was ID'd. I think this is a callous viewpoint when we are more concerned with a bump in our vacation plans rather than the well being of a victim and getting a sexual predator off the ship ASAP.

    You missed the part where they said he now has no criminal record now and it is possible he could go to work on another cruise line because he has experience. Guys like him don't quit and only get more bold and violent. I am willing to pay to incarcerate someone if it means he can't do this to anyone again. It may save someone I know.
     
  14. Wadekind

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    They weren't underway when the accusation was made. They sat on it for 2 hours before the ship sailed. There is no gray area here. DCL did not inform the local authorities who DID have jurisdiction while the ship was docked.
     
  15. Zeppelin

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    could be they are in damage control mode and blindsided as well...good job for emailing them....
     
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  17. GoofyTwinDad

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    IMHO, there is zero likelihood that a security officer had the power to make the decision of whether or not to contact the local authorities. I don't believe GS would contact only security about a child molestation without notifying the senior officers.

    What would be the number one most damaging scenario that would affect the familial image that Disney wants to be known for.... A CM raping or sexually molesting a child. I think the captain knew about the incident from the very beginning and made a conscious decision to get out of PC prior to calling the local authorities. If it comes out that I am wrong in my belief, Disney will never see another dime from our family.

    If you think Disney would not put pressure on the GM or offer restitution to keep quiet, your crazy. Disney will do anything possible to keep public perception to the highest degree possible. If they have to pay a few thousand to save millions in the long run, they would not blink twice about it.

    I find it very difficult to believe that DCL does not have a clause in the contract that nullifies DCL's obligation to transport the CM if they commit a crime such as molesting a child. IMO, molesting a child would be a serious breach of contract, thus nullifying the requirement to fly the CM home. I think DCL needed the CM off the ship prior to returning to PC to elimate any chance that this event would be investigated and end up being made available to the public.

    I'm not surprised that Disney is not responding to requests for clarification. It's difficult to pull your head outof the sand and see the light of thd day.
     
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    I can speak to how quickly some of the senior officers reacted to my accident. It happened at about 1:45 embarkation day. Guest Services and the medical center were notified immediately.

    BEFORE the lifeboat drill, I had already seen the Head of Housekeeping, Head of Security and the CD, in my stateroom. So what time is the lifeboat drill? 3:30? 4:00? So it was two hours max, by the time they heard about it and were either checking to see how I was doing, or beginning their damage control, depending on how you look at it.

    And they came back every day.
     
  19. Plaid Princess

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    Ok... I told myself I wasn't going to comment on this thread... but this statement just infuriates me. It's untrue and unfair to the thousands of cast members who put the guests safety ahead of their own. I've been thrown up on, held collapsed, heat exhausted guests in my arms, done CPR, used AED's, been a mediator between the paramedics and a party that spoke another language. I've broken up fights, intervened in domestic disputes, and on one occasion put myself between a wife and her abusive husband.

    One bad apple should not discredit the thousands of CM's who believe that the guests safety is their number one priority. Disney puts safety ahead of EVERYTHING. Even the courtesy of the CM's is secondary to the guest's safety. CM's are the reason you do feel safe and comfortable in a Disney environment.

    The reason that guests are not pronounced dead in Disney Parks is because there are no doctors on scene to make such a pronouncement, the paramedics treat the patient as if they are alive and do everything in their power to keep it that way.
     
  20. tinkerbell 766

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    Well said!!!!
     
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    Call me cynical, but even if he was off the ship in the US, if the girl and g-ma didn't skip their vacation to stay and make the report, he would be sent back to India. If they did stay and make a report, most likely he would get a plea bargain and sent back to India after a few months in jail in the US.

    you could be correct- but at least the guy would've had a record, likely as a sexual predator, which would be a huge scarlet letter around his neck in a lot of countries....
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    The Maritime cruise industry as big as it is, is a tight knit group and they keep in touch with each other more then you may think competitors would.

    This guys name is on a list by now. A list all the cruise lines and the hiring companies have. Unless he can totally change his name, looks and background, it is highly unlikely he will ever get a job on a cruise ship again.


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