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  1. momof1princess

    momof1princess <font color=darkorchid>i feel like i'm going to ex

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    i'll try those too, thanks! not sure my camera has those modes, but i'll look.

    my other issue is the zoom - it zooms up to 12x, but, at that setting, photos are VERY blurry. without a zoom, i won't be able to get a decent photo of her, but i can't go higher than about 6.8x before everything gets too blurry.
     
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  3. havoc315

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    That's the mechanics of the camera. I believe your camera only has an optical zoom of about 4x. Once you go past the optical zoom limit, you lose quality.
    They make affordable cameras now with optical zoom of 15-20x or higher.
     
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    momof1princess <font color=darkorchid>i feel like i'm going to ex

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    so, for the past few days, i've been looking up all the cameras y'all have mentioned, and some that were mentioned on other threads, and now it's opinion time. if y'all were going to buy one of these cameras, which one would you choose, if your needs were: shooting marching bands in afternoon and night settings outdoors; disney trips (indoor and outdoor shots, plus fireworks) and inside the superdome; oh, and your average, indoor shot?

    these are the cameras i've been looking at:

    Canon SX260
    Canon SX40

    Sony HX20
    Sony RX100

    Panasonic TZ30
    Panasonic FZ200

    With a budget of about $400 (can go slightly higher, for the right camera), which one would you choose? Or is there another one that would be better? TIA! :goodvibes:
     
  5. hakepb

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    If you need a good zoom, and don't mind the size and price:
    FZ200 because nothing else on the list can compare to its f/2.8 at full zoom. Plus all initial reports its very nice overall, shoots in RAW, works very well down to great macros and a great movie mode.

    For a more compact camera with zoom I still really like my HX30 (HX20) and have not seen anything to indicate that the SX260 or TZ30 would be vastly superior overall. they are all quality choices, each camera has slight differences that may work better with some users.

    But if you do not have any great desire to get close ups with zoom, the RX100 has the best low light performance at wide angle and Image quality of any camera in your list.
     
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    One other tip that might help is to try to get the light polarized. Ideally, you'd use a good polarizing lens, but for this, you might get decent results simply by holding a good, *CLEAN* pair of sunglasses right in front of the camera's lens. It won't help with the backlighting problem, but should cut down on glare.
     
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    2:30-3:30... the sun is still pretty high in the sky this time of year, unless you're really far north, so backlighting isn't a huge issue.
     
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    the FZ200 is a little more than i wanted to spend, but it is a great camera. i like the HX30, the size and price is right. i really do need zoom, although i'm not sure how close-up i'd want to get, but the RX100's price is pretty much out of my range (guess i'm wishful thinking, lol).
     
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    i bought the book mentioned on page 1. got it on my nook, now i just have to find time to read it! marching band season doesn't leave me much time for anything else!
     
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    alright, guys, i've got my camera set just like y'all told me, and DH and i are about to leave to watch DD15's 2nd band competition of the season! :banana:

    he's going to be taping with the camcorder, and i'll be taking pics. :thumbsup2:

    oh, the book-i can't really use it, since it gives instructions for a type of camera i don't own...lol. it tells how to set shutter speed and all that, and my little P&S doesn't do that. DH has given me the go-ahead to buy a better camera, but i'd like to wait until black friday for a good deal, if possible. will there be any BF deals on decent cameras?
     
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    Understanding what those shutter speeds do works for any camera. Even if your camer doesn't have any type of manual mode it does have different auto shooting modes that give priority to certain settings. Understanding how shutter speed, aperture and ISO work and affect the image will help you know which mode to use when. It will also help you self diagnose problems with your images.
     
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    Yes, there will be Black Friday deals. But you can actually get some of the best deals now, on last years models. New models are rolling out now, so last years models are on clearance. For example, I've seen great prices on the Sony Nex3 and Nex5. Seen excellent package discounts on the Canon SLRs.
     
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    i killed my own thread! :lmao: :rotfl:
     
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    I voiced my opinion earlier, but I'll start up the conversation, again ;)
    Photographically the most important specs are
    sensor size (bigger is better, but its a 4-way tie in this comparison)
    Aperature (smaller f/ is better for low light. Note the FZ200 only has 1 number, so it has the same, bright aperature at full zoom where other cameras are at a "darker" f/5-f/6, I would rule out the Canon for that high f/)
    Full PASM modes (Aperature priority, shutter priority...) will make it easier to fully learn the Understanding Exposure). That is a weakness of my HX30. I do have full manual control, but it is not as fast and easy as others.
    Depending on your style, it can be very important or inconsequential to have a viewfinder and external flash attachment.

    From there, most specs are about personal preference...does the size matter? (I wouldn't mind size at my kids event, but it might get in the way at other times)
    Will the battery last long enough for a typical day/event?
    Some people might prefer having certain scenes available.
    For me having an accurate Auto mode was important as my camera is also used by my spouse.
     
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    Based on the side by side you posted, I see the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200 as having a few big advantages over the others, as well as a couple of disadvantages.

    First the disadvantages -- the FZ200 is much bigger than the other cameras. It is not a compact camera. So if you truly want a compact camera that can fit in your pocket or easily fit in your purse, then cross if off the list.
    Also, it's about $550 from what I saw online -- For just $100 more, you could get the RX100. Or for around that price, there are lots of other options. You can get the Sony Nex5N for about $500, and it is a much better all-around camera than the FZ200. You can even get a true SLR for around that price.

    Now the advantages of the FZ200 compared to the other 3 on your list, at least according to the comparison you posted:
    -- Faster lens. Aperture of 2.8, and it appears to be that way throughout the zoom. That's a much faster lens than the other 3 cameras, especially at maximum zoom.
    -- Ability to shoot in RAW mode. This is great if you like to do post-processing in lightroom, or want to build your own HDR images.
    -- More manual control than the others. More manual control means more freedom to override the auto and get the picture you really want.

    But for the size and price of the FZ200, there are other cameras that should be on your list. Many of those cameras may have inferior zoom, but will be superior in every other way, including in image quality.
    That said, for the specific purpose you've been doing -- Shooting your daughter from the stands, the FZ200 is a great choice. The extended zoom and the 2.8 aperture would really do a great job in that situation.

    If you were to add other considerations in that price range:
    You could get a Canon Rebel T2 with 2 lenses, including a 75-300mm zoom for just over $600:
    http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Digital...=sr_1_4?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1349876598&sr=1-4

    For under $500, the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX200V .

    For $500, the Sony Nex-5N: http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-NEX-5-18-55mm-lens/en/p/NEX5NK/B. It lacks the super zoom, without adding a lens. But you would have a SLR-sized sensor in a pretty small body. And can add a better zoom later on. (A good zoom lens can be added for $350).

    Also in that price range, you can get some great refurbished and used cameras. Try B&H Photo, for example:
    A Nikon D3100 with 2 lenses (including a zoom lens) for $515
    A Sony Alpha A55 with kit lens for $530. (Since it takes old Minolta lenses, you can actually add a zoom lens cheaply, under $100. For my Sony SLR, I basically just use old Minolta lenses.)

    So really, if you are looking in the $500+ range, and are looking beyond compacts, then you have lots of great options beyond the FX200.

    Of the 3 compacts that you listed, the Sony Cybershot HX30V is probably the best but they are all pretty close. I happen to think Sony excels at smaller-sized cameras. (The NEX series seems better than rival bridge cameras. The RX100 is the best pure compact.). Of the 3 compacts you listed, the HX30V has superior ISO range, more megapixels, and a slightly faster lens than the other 2.
     
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    By the way, now that you took pics with the maximum quality, you can crop effectively. Hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of copying 1 of your pictures, just to give you an example. It's a bit grainy, but not too bad. Just demonstrating that in-camera zoom is not always the most important thing.

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    8061564563_429b9ee331_k by Havoc315, on Flickr
     
  19. momof1princess

    momof1princess <font color=darkorchid>i feel like i'm going to ex

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    WOW! as you said, it's a bit grainy, but not all that bad for my crappy little camera! may i ask what you use to crop? i've cropped pics and graphics before, but just used MS paint, and i'm assuming there's something better, lol.

    thank you! i used the settings y'all recommended on the P&S magic thread for these pictures, and was even able to show another band mom how to set them on HER little P&S!
     
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    momof1princess <font color=darkorchid>i feel like i'm going to ex

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    ironically, my cousin recommended the nikon D3100, lol.

    i was hoping to keep the price under $500; honestly, around $400, if possible. but, i'll go a little higher for a great camera.
     
  21. havoc315

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    I did that crop right in Flickr. Click in actions, and you have editing options within Flickr.

    A true dslr will give you potential for pictures that generally cannot be matched with a compact. Once you are over $500, you are in dslr price range. I love the rx100, but it is a bit of an exception. It is the rare compact that gets dslr quality.
    If I was spending over $500, and Didnt care about size, then I'd go with a dslr. Only downside being a need/desire/ability to add future lenses.
     

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