Looking at DVC but have several questions still

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  1. ironpig70

    ironpig70 DIS Veteran

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    So I looked at "New" at Disney website and looked "used" at a few places. So what is the difference in doing it one way versus the other. Looking at AKL. When I looked online I saw a date and IIRC its 50 years from the start date. So is that a factor?

    The big benefit I see with these is being able to go but also save by doing some food fixing at the resort. Just loking at the numbers there is a big difference in a studio and 1 bedroom. The big diffference is the studio is a kitchenette. Can somebody define this for me.


    Lastly from a points stand point I am a family of 5 with twin 9 year olds and a 15 year old and was looking at the 200 mark. I see differnt ones for resale with differnt months can somebody explain this. I know at 11 months out I can book my home resort and at 7 months anywhere else. What other concerns should I be aware of.

    Thanks in advance
     
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  3. quandrea

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    We have twins and another child as well. We have 700 points and travel about 23 days per year in one bedrooms. We started with 200 when we had one child, but it wasn't enough. YOu do save by doing some meal prep, even if it's just breakfast and snacks. We love having the kitchen. The convenience of grabbing a piece of fruit or a drink whenever you feel like it is great. We always bring snacks to the park in the mornings.

    The one bedrooms also have in unit laundry. I do laundry every day and pack very little.

    While 700 points may be way more than you need, I suggest going for more than 200. Do the math--figure out when you might want to travel and roughly how many points you would need for a one bedroom, then add a few more to that figure. That should get you your magic number. We have 700 becuase my husband and I want to spend Jan Feb down there in a studio when we retire. May add on because I'm sure we'll want a one bedroom.
     
  4. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    hee. your room is going to have already been "used" whether you pay double to buy direct or save money with the resale route.

    resale buyers lose a few trading options (mostly disney cruises and hotels like the poly) which are fairly expensive anyway. no big loss.

    nope - AKV expires in 2057 whether you buy direct or resale.

    but you do need to look at resale contracts to make sure they are not stripped (whether they have used current/borrowed pts already).

    studios are not an option for a family of 5. look at allears FAQ on DVC resorts to see what is included in a full kitchen in a DVC resort.

    UY month tells you when your banking window closes. it's better to travel early in your UY (i have an Oct UY and like to travel in Nov and Dec), and ideally never travel in the last few months of your UY (for me, July/Aug/Sept - too hot anyway). traveling late in your UY makes it more likely to lose pts if you need to cancel a reservation. if you never cancel, UY will likely never be an issue.
     
  5. KPetty725

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    I've always bought directly through DVC, usually when they were having a promotion or while on a cruise so I got great deals and/or on-board credits. We own 400 points at Aulani and Saratoga Springs and we just got on the wait list for 50 points at Grand Californian. *fingers crossed*

    If you're going to take a one-week vacation once per year to WDW and stay in a 1-bedroom, off season, 200 points will be enough. If you ever want to stay longer, travel over the summer (yuck), or get a larger room, you will definitely need more points.

    We stay at Old Key West because it's quiet and the rooms are huge. We always get a 1-bedroom because, like a PP said, it has a full washer/dryer which saves money on airline baggage fees. We also use the kitchen for breakfast and snacks and it's come in handy when we had my daughter's birthday party and some relatives who live in the area joined us for the evening. There is also a jacuzzi tub which my DH and I love (big enough for 2! :blush:) AKL is a great resort and almost always has availability. If you can afford BLT, you might think about that one because it's almost impossible to get into unless you own there.

    Hope this helps!
     
  6. ironpig70

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    kPetty725 I see you have multiple resorts how does that work?

    Say I buy 200 now and then get 50 at California does this mean I can use 250 overall but I have home resort rights at both?



    The reason I started at 200 was simply the price point and at my current spot in life getting a week off is about all I can get and looking at AKL I can do a week all but Spring break, Christmas week and April1-6. Dont know what happens in April but know Christmas is a zoo and so is spring break.



    Chalee94

    I was interested in the studio if my wife and I went with out the kids(we can only hope) or if we went with a larger party I could get 2 of them for 200. If thats possible.

    For the UY one thats listed now is March so the best time go go is March, April, May to utilize it and not get stuck with points?

    I like March as its my birthday and May is all 3 kids birthday.



    Lastly how many years can one bank?
     
  7. ironpig70

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    Reread some post and saw BLT is hard to get.

    What does BLT have that makes it such a draw?


    Guess whats the pros/cons of the DVC's

    I get AKL is away from it all but the scenery is my draw.

    I understand Boardwalk being near Epcot is a draw.
     
  8. Missyrose

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    All the resorts with close access to a park can be tough to get at certain times of the year:
    BLT -- you can walk to MK and monorail to Epcot. It can be tough (but not impossible if you budget for a lake view villa) to get from late September through mid-January. During that time, you have the Halloween and Christmas parties at MK and the Food and Wine Festival at Epcot, then the holidays and in January, the marathon.

    BCV -- It's downright impossible to get at seven months during the Food and Wine Festival (late September through mid-November) because you can walk from the resort to the World Showcase in Epcot. BCV can also be tough during the summer months because it has arguably the best pool on the property.

    BWV -- it can be tough during F&W, but not always impossible because it's bigger than BCV. You can walk to Epcot and DHS easily from this resort.

    VWL -- it has a boat to MK and a boat to the Contemporary. This is resort is small as well, which can make it really tough to get into from mid-November through the end of the winter holidays.
     
  9. DizBub

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    The end date is the same at all resorts, bought direct or resale. You may want to buy at a newer resort, like SSR, AKV and BLT to have a longer life on your contract.

    The kitchenette in the studios have a small refrigerator, microwave, toaster and a coffee pot along with a small bar sink. They provide paper plates, plasticware, paper towels, a dish towel, dish soap and a small basket of sugar, creamer and some coffee (2 potfuls if you're lucky). Full kitchens have a fullsize stove, larger fridge and dishes, cutlery, pots and pans, most everything you need in a kitchen. You can save quite a bit of money cooking meals in your villa, even in a studio. Bring an electric skillet and you can cook most anything. We bring our own coffee, filters and sugar/creamer wherever we stay.

    It looks like you will be staying in 1 bedrooms because of the size of your family. AKV, BLT and OKW all have sleeper chairs in the living rooms so they officially sleep 5. SSR, VWL, BCV and BWV all sleep 4 but will allow a 5th person but won't provide bedding for them, you will have to bring your own pillow, blanket, sheets and towels for them. Some people bring air beds/mattresses. Not much room for them.

    Your Use Year is really only when you receive your yearly allotment of points into your account and determines your banking deadline. Any unused points have to be banked 4 months before your next UY starts.

    Lots to learn. Keep reading. :)
     
  10. chalee94

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    not exactly. at 11 months out, it's like you have 2 separate contracts.

    so if i own 200 OKW pts and 25 BLT pts and want to book BLT at 11 months out, i can only use pts from the 25 pt BLT contract. if i wanted to book OKW at 11 months out, i can only use pts from the 200 pt OKW contract.

    if you buy them under the same membership number, then at 7 months out (not 11), you can combine pts from both contracts to book whatever is available.

    if you cancel a march reservation with a march UY, you have more options than if you cancel a march reservation with an april UY. yes.

    you can bank pts one time only. then they expire at the end of their new UY.

    banking and borrowing are final transactions so once you move pts by banking and borrowing, you cannot put the pts back or otherwise move them again.
     
  11. ironpig70

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    Chalee thanks for the info on the banking. Seems the max you could have is 3 years that is if you bank 1, use 1 and borrow 1. At this point I wanna get my feet wet and do a year vacation. As I get older and get more time off/retire I will buy more.


    Dizbub I looked at the DVC site again and it is Animal Kingdom Lodge Villas, didnt realize there was two.

    Thanks for the info about the 5th person I was avoiding those that will not fit 5.
     
  12. chalee94

    chalee94 <font color=green>I thought all sand was ground up

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    yes.
     
  13. DizBub

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    Sorry, I should have said AKV Kidani. The other one is AKV Jambo House and that is actually at Animal Kingdom Lodge. Kidani 1 bedroom has the sleeper chair for sure.

    Also it should be mentioned that AKV Kidani and BLT have 2 full bathrooms in their 1 bedrooms.
     
  14. ironpig70

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    Definetly needed with a wife and 2 daughters:lmao:


    In all seriousness that is a huge deal for us. In a typical hotel room with 1 bath it was boys at night and girls in the am and my wife being up atleast an hour before the boys.


    I also saw they have wirlpool tubs.
     
  15. Deb & Bill

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    You could stay in two studios, but would you and your spouse like to spend the entire vacation in two different rooms? Studios never connect to studios, only to one bedroom villas to make a two bedroom lockoff. You couldn't put the kids alone in one studio unless one was 18.

    The differences between studios and one bedrooms are pretty big:

    • Studio in one room, one bedroom has two rooms (the bedroom is separate from the living room).
    • One bedroom has a full kitchen, studio has kitchenette (only a microwave, toaster, coffee pot and undercounter refrigerator).
    • One bedroom has a washer and dryer in the villa. Studios have access to a washer and dryer either near the pools (SSR, OKW) or on one floor of the single building resorts (AKV, BCV, BWV, VWL, BLT).
    • One bedroom has a king bed, queen sleeper and sometimes a twin sleeper chair (no sleeper chair in VWL, BCV, BWV, AKV-Value Villas, SSR). Studio has a queen bed and double sleeper sofa. DVC currently allows a fifth person in the one bedroom without the sleeper chair, but you have to provide your own sleeping space (like an aerobed) and linens.
    • One bedroom villa has a jetted tub in the master bathroom that is separate from the stand alone shower (except in Jambo House where the jetted tub has the shower in the tub-these are converted hotel rooms). Studios have combo tub/shower.
     
  16. Dean

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    It sounds like you should spend a few months getting educated. Don't count on much savings from the kitchen and certainly don't include that in your financial projections. In reality you'll be at the point where you really need a 2 BR pretty quickly when the entire group is going but I'd rather you underbuy than overbuy. There is NO reasonable reason to buy retail for a new purchase unles one is set on buying AND using a new resort like GF, a resort you must have and can't get otherwise hardly like GC or for a very small purchase of 50 points or less (maybe). You give up nothing of value going resale IMO and have no risk of losing anything of value if you're not qualified that you would not lose also if you were qualified (retail purchase).
     
  17. Kidanifan08

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    We are owners at AKV and love staying there. We bought in in 2008 and have added on 3 small contracts since our initial purchase. Our initial purchase was for enough points to stay in a 1BR for 7 nights during magic season once a year. Within 2 years we realized that we like to stay longer, since we are spending money on flights, and we like to bring family. Last summer, we did our first stay on the concierge level, and now we are happy that we have enough points to do that every once in awhile.:thumbsup2

    Since you find AKV appealing, I will focus on that resort. As others have pointed out, AKV does not have much of an 11 month booking advantage over other owners, other than for concierge level and value rooms. All of those rooms are at Jambo House. There are 5 2-BR lock-offs for each of those categories, meaning that at most, there are 5 1-BR and 5-studio rooms available at any given time. The 1-BR units at Jambo only have 1 bathroom. Many people are enticed by the low point cost of the value room and consider that as a positive feature to buy in at AKV, but you need to know that those rooms go quickly, often at 10-11 months in advance. With that said, you should make sure that you are calculating your point needs at AKV based on minimally staying in a standard view room.

    AKV and BLT both have 2 bathrooms in the 1BR (and 3 in the 2BR!). The point costs for staying at BLT are higher for any given time of year, so you need more points to stay at BLT. It is difficult to get into BLT during some times of the year, but we have never had any trouble getting into BLT when we have wanted to stay there by booking exactly at 7 months. We have gotten a 2BR in early June and late July and a studio in mid-Oct (using a wait list). BWV and BCV are basically impossible to get from the beginning of Oct through early January.

    Although AKV is perceived as "way out there", we have generally been satisfied with the travel times to the parks. One nice thing about AKV is that there are only two bus stops, and the park buses stop at Kidani first -- usually empty. BLT has one bus stop, but the buses proceed to stop at Poly and GF, which adds to the travel time. Travel to Epcot from BLT is a minimum of 30 minutes, and usually more like 45 minutes. So, although it is awesome to be able to walk to MK from BLT in about 10 minutes, it is a little bit of a pain to get to all of the other parks. AKV is serene and peaceful . . . BLT is frenetic and noisy. . . IMHO.

    Given the size and ages of your family, I could see you quickly wanting to get into a 2BR. Who is going to sleep with whom? Will DS15 sleep with her little sis? Will the fraternal twins share a bed? Right now, a 1BR gives you a king in the master, and a full-sized and single hide-a-bed in the living room. Currently, AKV can be had on the resale market for between $60 and $65/pt. The larger the contract, the lower the buy-in per point. Resale for BLT is about 50% more per point and will probably drop in price more slowly over the next 2-3 years.

    I would avoid trying to own at two resorts until you have enough points at your primary resort to do the things you want to do. We have done split stays using our AKV points, but they are kind of a pain. I agree with one of the other posters, you should try to find a contract with at least all of this years points . . . there are tons of AKV contracts out there. Resales with banked points are fairly easy to find for AKV, as well.

    Finally . . . good luck making a decision. This is a long-term commitment and you should be happy with your home resort choice. Oh, and you need to update your children's ages in your signature!!
     
  18. ironpig70

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    kidanifan08 thanks for all the info on Akv.

    Deb and Bill thanks for the studio versus 1 bedroom.

    I think on the trip in 2014 instead of staying in the hotels I may just have to book the BLT for 1/2 our time and AKV for the other half.
     

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