Location vs Price?

Discussion in 'Purchasing DVC' started by Docmom, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. lodge

    lodge DIS Veteran

    Dec 8, 2012
    I said this concept on a thread and the replies were that DVD is not concerned with ticket sales, food purchases, anything other than selling points. I do believe the different divisions work together.
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  3. ELMC

    ELMC DIS Veteran

    Jul 4, 2011
    I don't think what you are saying is what I am saying. I don't believe that the different divisions work together at all. DVD has to compensate the theme parks division for the VIP Fastpasses it gives out on tours. Each division is responsible for its own performance and profits. That doesn't sound like working together to me. What I am saying is that Disney's upper leadership has a vision,and that the different divisions execute their mission under the umbrella of that vision. So DVC exists for many reasons to the C level executives, but I don't think the head of DVC (whoever it is this week) cares much at all about theme park sales as a function of his job description.
  4. Apps

    Apps Mouseketeer

    Mar 21, 2013
    Absolutely true but each division may have internal metrics to show incremental value to other divisions (such as incremental ticket sales, food, other). It also provides additional value to brand promotion. The C level take all these into account when assessing the value of the division to the company of course.

    I always wondered why they built Aulani. Seems it only serves to increase DVC sales and doesn't provide much synergy with the Theme Parks. Perhaps more enlightened folks can give me an answer.
  5. disneynutz

    disneynutz DIS Veteran DIS Lifetime Sponsor

    Dec 11, 2006
    I like it when DVC tells you that they have to ask their business partners for something.

    We had a major room maintenance issue and the resort didn't seem to care so I called a contact at DVC. They stated that all they could do is try to call someone that they know at the resort but that I would probably have more luck getting things done in person.

    Doesn't sound like they are working together to me either.

    :earsboy: Bill
  6. DizBub

    DizBub Totally Addicted

    Dec 9, 2010
    I have heard that the main targets for Aulani was the Japanese market and the West coast. When the Tsunami hit Japan and the ensuing nuclear problems that put a huge damper on sales. West Coasters had to contend with the bad economy and the huge MFs debacle. :confused3
  7. eandesmom

    eandesmom I'm with Beast

    Jan 5, 2009
    Plus with "relatively" cheap flights to Hawaii from the west coast, we have the luxury of flexibility making 7m planning not nearly as difficult as off season can work on our favor making our lower costs points working just fine without the need to own there :)

    We really considered buying there but figured we needed the 11m advantage more elsewhere.
  8. tjkraz

    tjkraz <img src="http://www.wdwinfo.com/images/silver.jpg

    Feb 4, 2002
    Hawaii is viewed as a sort of "if you can't make it there, you can't make it anywhere" timeshare destination. (At least, it is when you consider most other timeshares don't have the rights to build on Disney property.)

    Hawaii has great weather year-round. If you consider most other popular tourist destinations, that's usually not the case. Colorado ski resorts and many beach towns have their off season. Locations like NYC and DC present their own challenges, not the least of which is cost to build there.

    Hawaii is a popular vacation destination which is relatively accessible to the entire US--particularly the west coast, of course.

    Several years ago the head of DVC was quoted as saying 85% of its members lived east of the Mississippi. So I think DVC viewed that area as being a growth market...not just for the Japanese but among people living in the western US, too.

    it adds great value to the program as a whole. There have been a lot of reports of members being disappointed with lack of availability at 7 months. DVC points at all resorts become an easier sell if they can claim "your points are not only good at the Disney parks but also Hilton Head, Vero Beach and Hawaii." Helps assuage the fears of potential buyers (or spouses) who are hesitant to commit to decades of stays at WDW or Disneyland.

    I've also heard stories that it was a sort of pet project of a certain high-ranking Disney executive who is fond of the islands.

    The tsunami is often mentioned as having harmed Aulani sales. Hawaii publishes extensive tourism figures and despite the tsunami in March 2011, Japanese tourist arrivals and spending increased every year from 2010 to 2012.

    Aulani is such a large resort (nearly 500 rooms) that it was always going to be a very long-term project. Bay Lake Tower is nearly half the size and it took over 3 years to sell out. Impossible to know what sort of estimates DVC attached to Aulani but to me, it always looked like a project that would take 8-10 years to sell.
  9. Lil' Grumpy

    Lil' Grumpy <font color=purple>Lil' Grumpy is really a Big Swe

    Feb 14, 2006
    very interesting input, in~deeds.

    ..i guess this thread is the reason i "pay" attention to this
    group in the first place...is for the education. the exchanges
    are making me realize what is likely going on behind the
    dvc curtain.

    my first guess- would be the "ruling class" have earned their
    stripes via the world of business & have had high levels
    of success. kudos to you but ..

    i think the current majority of dvc owners feel there are plenty
    room for improvements. and though i haven't express this
    feeling, the "credit" for this is due to the resales market producing
    new owners- that care about their purchase. in
    2110, we took the member cruise to learn about fellow owners...
    & we were shocked about those who own a ton of points
    and they could care less how they were spent. their lack of
    knowledge was only matched by not caring. that has been
    changing with all the resales entering the "market place."
    dvc need to make the necessary adjustments to keep pace.

    while there are good points being made against, i do think that
    the disney co. are working together, least @ the very upper levels. that
    possibly, they use the lower levels "divide"-- for many reasons.
    one being a buffer system to control their benefits & prevent losses.

    my profession has given us the luxury of many successes. one
    of the biggest reason i found long ago was to apply the
    knowledge i learn from "human dynamics" to my own situation.
    why? because they produced the positive outcomes ($) and /or
    the desired results. in the 90's for example, a regional soap
    box director asked me to start a new program in our area. it
    takes major sponsorship-like $12,000 per year.
    if i was going to do all of this then my primary objective was going
    to be on the kids. i got them on the local radio & our newspaper did 3
    stories a year. i just didn't make it rewarding for the winners, but for all
    the participants. one of the unexpected reward was
    whenever the kids see me, they still go out of their way to
    say "thanks".

    the point here, i feel dvc is in the people business too , and
    they "need" to recognize & include these basic principles-
    so their "presentation" to owners are important. i can't stress enough
    how influential trust is- toward developing the necessary relationships
    for $ support. and the worst things to do to lose it, is when you
    break your promises or give false information-whether on
    purpose or not. i don't have no problem remembering what we
    informed by our guide.

    another thing i learned from the kiddie program, success can
    attract the wrong kind of attention. and when you are dealing
    with other people $, it can become a big headache. i am hoping
    dvc has covered these type of problems.

    resales & renting do not have to be stop. but they do need to be
    managed ..and if they ever lay all the cards on the table , it is
    self evident how they can do so- with the order they should be
    following. i am committed toward this program because we
    invested all our vacations $ into it. while we are doing ok ,
    we are not so rich not to care. again , there has been some
    posting here things that are indicating wrong doings against
    dvc rules & regulations. those i made copies of just in case.
    all we expecting, is for our dvc investment meet our vacations
    per what we paid for.

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