JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

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  1. Robbi

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    Last night I bought Foreign Faction and stayed up until 5 am reading it. WOW- thi is definitely the best book I've read dealing with the case and I've read bunches.

    In the book above, a handwriting expert said the note matched Patsy's handwriting -24 out of 26 letters of the alphabet. ANother expert said sometimes people's writing can change but what doesn't change is the way they use and phrase their vocabulary. He compared notes and letters Patsy had written over the years to the ransom notes and determined soem were identical and that she had written the ransom letter.

    Oh and the 911 call- apparently the author was able to get it cleaned up and Patsy's panicky voice disappeared when she thought she had hung up the phone.

    After John found Jon Benet's body and Fleet White ran upstairs screaming for an ambulance and that John is coming, the women sitting with Patsy in another room run to see about Jon Benet. Patsy just sits in the chair in the other room and doesn't move to see about her daughter. I think most of us would run like bats out of hell to check on our child especially if we believed our daughter had been kidnapped and then she was found.
     
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  3. NY Disney fan

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    I want to read this. People "in the know" swear that John Ramsey's son, John Andrew Ramsey is the one who murdered JB. What do you think, based on the book? People say he was obsessed with her and was just weird overall.
     
  4. Robbi

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    The book pointed more toward Burke. I thought at first, yea right. The statistics quoted though about the number of children under 12 who rape and murder blew my mind. There are hundreds of cases every year. One in 5 children who are murdered are murdered by another child. I found out too that Jon Benet was actually hit in the head first and hard enough to make an 8 inch crack in her skull-basically the top of her head a bit in front and a bit in back. It was a horrific injury that would have killed her anyway with no medical care. The strangulation came later. This is where it seems maybe the parent(s) were involved. Burke made the comment to Fleet White when Fleet was bringing him to the house that first day that he knew Jon Benet was dead before his dad brought her upstairs. He also seemed not to care when he was seen by a therapist 2 days later. No tears, no how did it happen. There was a police photo taken and while the parents look devastated, Burke is smiling.
    Of course, I can't say one way or the other. I'm just stating the premise of the book.
     
  5. NY Disney fan

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    DNA dismissed Burke. Hmmm...that's weird that none of his DNA was there.
     
  6. Robbi

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    The FBI said they've found DNA on underwear could have come from the people who sew them in foreign countries. It's happened in other cases. The amount in Jon Benet's case was so minute that it took years and updated technology to even get enough to sample. That's what makes them think it may have been from the manufacturing plant.They've held onto the sample just in case. The smear on her leg they thought was semen was her own smeared blood. Also, a number of pathologists who both examined JonBenet and/or saw detailed pictures said she had been molested previous to the incident because her torn hymen injury was not new.
     
  7. dizzwizz

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    save for reading later
     
  8. Miranda Danda

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    I'm just subscribing. I've been following this case since I was 14. :) Thanks for all the links, opinions, and info everyone! :)
     
  9. 1000HappyWishes

    1000HappyWishes I know every mile will be my worth my while.

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    I've always found it odd that the parents never allowed Burke to have much a say in anything. I understand he was still young and perhaps they were shielding him from the media, but then again perhaps he did have a hand in the murder and his parents knew. They didn't want to risk anyone finding out or Burke slipping up, so they kept him away from media.
     
  10. MinnieLovesMickey12

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    I always had read that patsy had taken JB to the doctor many many many times for recurrent yeast infections and all the symptoms that come with that. The theory given was that she takes too many bubble baths (as being the cause of the yeast infections)

    At no point in my LIFE would I lawyer up if my daughter was first missing then found dead. I would do anything I could to cooperate with the authorities to help find her killer. If you have nothing to hide there is no reason not to help them. If you know you are innocent you don't lawyer up like that over your child's death unless they tell you right up front that you are a suspect.

    I have also read handwriting analysis of the ransom letter as being attributed to Patsy.

    I personally always thought the brother Burke did it and when they found her and realized he did it they concocted a whole kidnap/ransom thing to throw police off. THAT'S why they lawyered up so fast, IMO.

    I also don't think it will ever be solved.
     
  11. BriarfoxinWA

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    I wouldn't get a lawyer if my child was missing but I probably would have as soon as she was found. My DH was involved in law enforcement for over 20 years. We talked about another case last night and we both agreed that the first thing either of us would do is hire an attorney if we were questioned about anything.
     
  12. Robbi

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    I agree. JonBenet went to the doctor 30 or 33 times in either 1 or 2 years for vaginitis which caused her to wet her bed. When asked for her records, the doctor said he would burn them first which I thought was an unusual reaction. The school would not cooperate with the police either. Seems like everyone was more interested in covering their backsides instead of trying to find out what/who caused JonBenet's death- very sad.
     
  13. alex9179

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    This.

    When someone dies under suspicious circumstances (to say the least, in this case) the first people who are under investigation, are close family. I would hire an attorney if I were innocent, just to protect what was left of my family.

    As for the comments about her brother, Burke, his reactions seem pretty normal for a kid. My kids don't react like adults to bad news. They are really matter-of-fact about things that have me in tears. Then again, they can have really emotional reactions to things that are only a blip to me. Experience and maturity plays a large part.
     
  14. Coonhound

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    There's a couples great sites for Ramsey murder research. One is called forums for justice. The other is called websleuths.
     
  15. richmond282

    richmond282 Trumpet players don't have egos, we're just better

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    Just a question. I haven't really followed this case in a lot of years so I don't remember details, but if Burke (or anyone in the family really) did this then where did it occur? I mean wouldn't a head wound like that bleed a heck of a lot? Did they ever find traces or blood anywhere else in the house? It seems unlikely that if Burke did it, it would have happened in that room in the basement. Also, was there any suggestion as to what weapon make the head wound? Baseball bat maybe?
     
  16. Kristibo42

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    I still think the parents did it.
     
  17. Robbi

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    Dad made a big deal about making sure he got his golf clubs. Burke had hit Jon Benet with a golf club in the past. Maybe he did it again but this time it would have been fatal.
     
  18. RitaE

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    Kind of creepy but my husband and I have had the "When would we lawyer up?" talk too.

    Everybody knows from minute one who the Investigators are targeting as their initial main suspects. BTW, it is very likely at that point that the Police aren't fully co-operating with the family either. They are lying and misleading and not sharing information, trying to get a reactionary type confession or mistake.

    Hiring a lawyer does not mean that you are not co-operating with an Investigation although some police and Prosecutors love to promote that idea. You want a lawyer? Huh, I guess that means you have something to hide?

    Hiring a lawyer means you realize that you are in the midst of a tragic circumstance where everybody else in the process is familiar with the rules and procedures except for you.

    There is hardly any other event of major importance in our lives where we don't seek advice from experts. A criminal investigation is no different.
     
  19. Robbi

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    You're right. The Ramseys did not sit down to talk with police until April. Their daughter was murdered December 26. I would call that uncooperative. Then, the DA's office gave their lawyers copies of the police report which the FBI basically said was malfeasance. The DA's office should not have given them the reports when they were considered suspects in an ongoing investigation.
     
  20. goofy!

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    You have to take the situation into account also.

    Our police department is great, but not exactly skilled in murder investigations. They had already totally messed up the crime scene. They had one other murder in town and that was the unsolved murder of Robert Redford's daughter's boyfriend. Not exactly the kind of feel good trust one would have when one's daughter was just murdered. Our police department was more used to making pot busts than anything major like murder.

    Ramsey is a smart man. He would have been stupid not to lawyer up. Would you trust your life to Barney Fife, after the first responder had already totally not followed procedure when they were called to the house?

    And FWIW, the DA and sheriff's office know exactly who killed her. Our neighbor was one of the investigating officers (a competent team after the first responder debacle) and let that slip at a party. However, unless things change in the future (technology, etc), according to him, they will never, ever be able to arrest let alone prosecute.

    One other thing - do you really think that if the DA had so much compelling evidence, enough evidence to write an entire book about, that they wouldn't go ahead and make an arrest?

    Especially when the general public, ie: the potential jury pool, reads the book and believes it? That would be a fair indicator that the prosecution might have a better than average chance at a verdict.

    Many around here consider the author a whack-a-doodle.
     
  21. goofy!

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    Martin Park Elementary and BVSD did cooperate as much as they were allowed to by their lawyers.
     

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